What don't you like about Windows 7?

[cbleman]

BTW: I like windows classic because you can see all the Icons, and the program or function you need to find isn't hidden under a layers of cryptic menus.
...and please don't base anything on Vista. For those that say if you don't like it go back to XP..... I did! and so did a very large user group. (I know a lot of them personaly.) If I were not threatened with warranty loss, on my new machine, I would NOT have a Vista machine. I know this is a general statement I advised people not to make, but the specific list is long, and didn't pertain to this forum.
Although Win 7 has the look and feel of Vista, a lot of the major problems I had don't appear to be in Win 7. There are some that claim Win 7 is just a souped up version of Vista. I for one have noticed some major differences, and actualy like the platform itself.
I still have gripes! ...and see where the re-learning curve is steep, but over all..... it seems to be worth the switch.

 

[Barman58]

Just one question with regard to your gripe - are you running with show hidden and/or system files - temp files made by the OS are normally hidden except for those created in the actual temp folder(s).

The creation of temporary files when copying/editing files is an historic feature of most OS's, not just windows as it gave a little better security if the system should crash part way through a copy operation. the original file would still be present

 

[Juffe]

This applys to XP, Vista and 7 (and Live messenger).

I personally hate everything which is related to remote control, file sharing etc.

Example:
Why isn't Home Group a optional feature? User can donwload it via Windows Update if he/she needs it. I think that only small percent of Windows users uses those sharing features.

Is "file sharing" really the "must be" feature novadays?

And remote control, why default setting is "on"? And who "normal user" needs remote registry service etc?

Arrggh, i always go mad when i even think those sharing features.

 

[yadielfeliciano]

This applys to XP, Vista and 7 (and Live messenger).

I personally hate everything which is related to remote control, file sharing etc.

Example:
Why isn't Home Group a optional feature? User can donwload it via Windows Update if he/she needs it. I think that only small percent of Windows users uses those sharing features.

Is "file sharing" really the "must be" feature novadays?

And remote control, why default setting is "on"? And who "normal user" needs remote registry service etc?

Arrggh, i always go mad when i even think those sharing features.

I love homegroup, 2 computers in my house are running windows 7, and if i need a song, a video, a document i dont have to go to the other computer with a flash drive or send them via windows live messneger, I could just easily go to homegroup drag and drop

 

[cbleman]

Yes... I do show hidden files. I'm not going to turn it off.... but that explains the temps. Thanks.

uh... you should be able to network, and see all the files on another computer without Home Group. I don't like that either. I feel It's complicated, should not be manditory, and the "Security Risks" it claims to solve aren't worth the PITA

 

[Kari]

Yes... I do show hidden files. I'm not going to turn it off....

Please do not misunderstand me. What you do with your computer and how you setup your Windows is not my business.

I'm just wondering why?

Kari

 

[demotion]

no windows mail.

 

[Barman58]

The thing with Homegroups and the other "hand-holding" technologies is that they are not aimed at the user like yourself that is advanced, (the very fact that you are using Windows 7 before release places you way above the vast majority of home users ).

For the average home user that thinks of a computer as a glorified games console or clever TV, homegroup is a lot easier that anything that went before.

If you look at the range of markets that Microsoft sells operating systems, the enthusiast and professional user which make up the vast majority of members here at the moment are a small group.

I have found Homegroups easy to use and they work fine for the type of user they are aimed at.

One thing that I have not tried yet is to set the network type to Work rather than Home - this will I think remove the homegroup option, but I am not sure if it will allow the use of workgroups or insist on domain membership, may be an option to check out if the homegroup is really that annoying to you

 

[zigzag3143]

Nigel

changing from homegrup to workgroup doesn't require domain membership. workgroups work just fine and are reversible.

 

[Barman58]

Hi Ken,

I know this and of course you can use the two technologies together, (and need to if you have to connect to Vista or XP), what I have found is a lot of people trying to remove the homegroup entry in the Explorer directory pane, Setting to a work network may, if I understand things, solve this particular issue

 

[cbleman]

If you look at the range of markets that Microsoft sells operating systems, the enthusiast and professional user which make up the vast majority of members here at the moment are a small group.

I have found Homegroups easy to use and they work fine for the type of user they are aimed at.

One thing that I have not tried yet is to set the network type to Work rather than Home - this will I think remove the homegroup option, but I am not sure if it will allow the use of workgroups or insist on domain membership, may be an option to check out if the homegroup is really that annoying to you

That's a great idea! I don't have another Win 7 machine to try that on. I'm networking to 2 other OS's and don't have to put up with it yet, and the person from work with Win 7 on his laptop is gone for the next week. (We use XP on the laptops at work.) If someone could post if that Idea works I would be interested. I suppose I could add Win 7 to my laptop, but at this point I would rather not. I'll probably be upgrading shortly anyway.

Homegroup:
It still should not be manditory. There needs to be a way to turn it off if a customer dosn't want it on. About 2-3 times a month a customer asks me to set up an "Open" network on their wireless router when I set it up (The default is WEP). ....Even in medium size buisnesses that in my opinion should really have the added security. I just explain the risks, and do what they want. There are even good and valid reasons to set up an "Open" network. Some of my customers want to set up a WIFI "Hot Spot" for their patrons, and don't want to have to give out codes, or have their employees become tech assistants so customers can use the internet. (Although thats going to happen with a small group of customers anyway.) The majority of people who bring a laptop already know how to access an open network.
The point is, Users should be able to do what they want with their systems in spite of what someone else thinks, or how small their user group is

 

[cbleman]

Yes... I do show hidden files. I'm not going to turn it off....

Please do not misunderstand me. What you do with your computer and how you setup your Windows is not my business.

I'm just wondering why?

Kari

No proplem,
I regularly back up certain files that are considered System files. Finding these files is difficult when they are in hidden folders.
In some cases, yes, there are other ways to back them up, but I'm hard headed. DOS prompt days die hard with me. ....so, I just unhide system, and hidden folders. I could set it back again; but what would be the point of that.
I guess it all stems back to the days when I had to much time on my hands, and liked to see what made Windows work. I'm not going to reverse eng. Windows. I have neither the skill nor the knowledge. At this point in my life I also don't have the time. I do however, very infrequently, run into something that sets me off on a research quest, that sends me into the system files.
Like you... Just curious.

 

[leogets]

I don't like the search options in Windows Seven compared to XP. I totally miss being able to right-click on a directory and select SEARCH from the drop down menu.
- To Just be able to Search a "single directory ONLY" not the entire drive or indexing service for anything at all such as a directory for .avi or .mkv or Xvid or DivX... etc... any word or name.
The seach options With Windows 7 Sucks.... the indexing service is good to a point but takes up time and hard drive space.

 

[logicearth]

I don't like the search options in Windows Seven compared to XP. I totally miss being able to right-click on a directory and select SEARCH from the drop down menu.
- To Just be able to Search a "single directory ONLY" not the entire drive or indexing service for anything at all such as a directory for .avi or .mkv or Xvid or DivX... etc... any word or name.
The seach options With Windows 7 Sucks.... the indexing service is good to a point but takes up time and hard drive space.

Open the folder and start typing in the box right side of the address bar (CTRL+F takes you right there), it will search only in that folder, it does not even need to be indexed! Non-index searches will search by file name just like Windows XP. So I have to ask, did you even bother to try?

Supplementary information on Windows Search: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/10/13/windows-desktop-search.aspx

 

[cbleman]

logicearth: The bar you mentioned IS clearly visable, but sometimes in haste, it's easy to overlook things. Especialy if you are used to doing things a certain way.

Thank you for your informed reply. I'm sure the information you provided has answered leogets question.

As for comments on what sucks or dosn't, leogets (I get the reference.), was probably frustrated when he/she made the query (As we all get from time to time.).

 

[whs]

Microsoft: Windows 2000 Professional Forum - Tek-Tips

Sorry I have lost the plot with this forum...
Reason. if you make a comment against WIN7 you get blasted and to if you DONT like it stiff luck revert to XP or older....

I use XP, Vista both 32bit and 64bit and have done so for 6-3 years.

I OBJECT to MS removing the "CLASSIC" features...
Users were able to enable them in VISTA (which I do) when ever I install the O/S.

NOW I cant, and If I MS want to give us another changed / crippled O/S then it is their LOSS. It would seem that around 60% of users want this option, CAN MS afford to loose 60% or even 30% of it clients, and DONT give me the answer times and O/S move on learn it.

I and my company and Clients (115) cannot afford spend money on upgrade or the COST of the new WIN7 also training ???.
The world is in a recession and SMB's/People do NOT have the money GET REAL

The answer is simple. If you cannot afford Windows7 and are not willing to learn new things, you'll have to stay on what you have right now. But I am convinced that Win7 will be a great success. And who needs "Classic View"? In 2 and a half years of Vista I have yet to use it for the first time.

 

[cbleman]

who needs "Classic View"? In 2 and a half years of Vista I have yet to use it for the first time.

Please.... A little understanding. There is a VERY LARGE group of Windows users that skipped Vista. The debate on why, is long, heated, and at this point meaningless. For those of us coming directly from XP, the learning curve for this new Operating System is staggering! Operations, functions, and programs we rely on every day have been renamed and/or moved/hidden under layers of (for us) confusing and cryptic menus. "Classic View", allows an Icon view, that (in some cases) strips away layers of menus to allow the user to more easily find what we are looking for.

...and just because you don't use a function, program or View, dosn't mean nobody else does.

I have heard over and over again in these forums; "If you don't like it, go back to XP. Vista was soooo despised by so many; we did. ...to the point of reformatting brand new computers with XP, or demanding XP from manufacturers. There are some who would argue that we didn't want to learn the new operating system. This would not entirely be true either.

Back Story:
Vista, when it came out was plagued with many major problems. Driver and program incompatibilities, VPN problems, If you turned off "Big Brother" (UAC), (A feature largely hated, and considered to be a major pain, and in my book still is.), some programs would either not work at all, not update or crash. (Adobe reader for one.) There were a quite a few programs that would not run on it at all (Weather UAC was on or off). Problems using fire wire, Yes there is even some reported truth to the claim that Vista crashed iPod hard drives. I found myself staring into the dreaded BSOD more times than I can count in the space of 30 days.
In some cases hardware would not work on NEW computers shipped with vista! These are only a few of the many problems people ran into. Vista seemed to have more bugs than a New York Dumpster. All of this, combined with claims from IT professionals of Networking problems, it's no wonder that people dumped Vista in droves.

These problems were largely fixable, but with continued problems even after SP2, this gave the Vista haters even more ammunition to publish, that in turn, well... you get the point.

The Main Point:
Young-Gen Windows users and the more intrepid of us Old-Gen users pushed through the problems with Vista, or depending on what you did with Vista, NEVER had a problem. We (The people that skipped Vista) are finding ourselves in the awkward position of either learning a vastly different system or being left far behind. Microsoft, when they developed Win 7 could not ignore Vista. The user base was just too large. So, they built on it instead. Much to the dismay of us "Vista Haters". The learning curve for us is much steeper than for the Vista users, and the frustration factor is tripled.


So when we lament our lost XP functions that we are used to, or whine because we missed something, can't find something, or need help; Please... Have patience. Try not to "Flame" so hard.

Thanks,
Scott

 

[Antman]

CableMan - I understand what you are saying. You have said the same thing over and over and over again for almost five months.

I sincerely trust that you have learned how to use some of the new features and methodologies in Windows 7.

For you and others in the same boat - Tutorials - Windows 7 Forums

 

[whs]

Scott, you make a fair point. We'll be patient with you "Old-Gen" users - at least I will be (at 72 years of age - LOL). I can imagine that it is not easy to be faced with a more complex OS for the first time. XP was an appliance and having skipped Vista does not make things easier. BTW: I never had any problems with Vista that I could not solve. And I was in it since day 1 (Febr. 1, 07). And although I think that Win7 looks like a great operating system, I will take my time to fully migrate my 4 systems to it. In the meantime I run it as a test system completely seperated from my production systems. That way one can get used to it at a more placid pace.

 

[Tews]

Windows 7 has a relatively easy learning curve compared to some Linux distros Ive had to set up...