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For those who advocate some variation of Linux, the issues here are two:

1) drivers for peripherals such as printers, plotters, scanners etc. Most manufacturers don't bother developing drivers for Linux (too small a market) so one is dependent on Linux programmers to develop for your specific peripherals. Too hit and miss for reliability

2) the whole group of Windows software programmes I've bought and nurtured (CAD, mapping, modelling, 3D). No true equivalents for Linux without enormous effort on my part, way too much trouble
Linux Mint will use propriety drivers. During installation you have a check box choice...install propriety drivers (recommend) or use open source. There might not be a driver for more obscure hardware, but when I installed Linux Mint 19.2 a month ago it automatically installed the propriety driver for my Nvidia graphics card...and my Brothers printer installed perfectly too with an open source driver. I'm not saying there's no problems with drivers in Linux, but then again just go to the Windows 10 Forum and see how many people have problems with installing hardware and drivers in W10. Problems can happen in any OS.

As far as the specific Windows programs like you mentioned: (CAD, mapping, modelling, 3D) there might not be equivalents in Linux software. One could run WINE in Linux and use Windows programs like that. That's what I do with Photoshop. But that might not work for every program.

No OS will suit everyone, but there's a lot of myths about Linux that people get wrong. One can always try a Linux distro for free (how about that!) and run it from a USB without installing it (another cool thing!)
 

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Only those brainwashed by Microsoft into thinking that Linux is an inferior OS have trouble switching to Linux. In fact, is a superior OS (yes this is just my opinion, so I won't attempt to document it as it's based on my own experience. Primarily, much less catastrophic failure, and much easier to fix problems. Plus, a fantastic community who, like this place, genuinely want to solve your problem).

The only issues with drivers I have had are with printers. But more often than not, I have no issues, once I figure out how to make them work. With video drivers, I have found that open sourced work better than proprietary.

In general, Linux can do anything Windows can do. You may not be able to be able to run programs designed for windows, but then you can't run programs in Windows designed for Linux. But if you have a program you can't live without, you can keep using on it a W7 machine which you keep offline. That is what I will be doing with my music creation computer. There is no way to run those programs on Linux, the developers simply don't write Linux drivers for them, and I am too heavily invested in them to use Linux equivalents, which in this case are decidedly inferior.

So, a Windows 7 computer or drive for what you absolutely need it for, kept offline, and a Linux computer for everything else.
 

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I'm not saying there's no problems with drivers in Linux, but then again just go to the Windows 10 Forum and see how many people have problems with installing hardware and drivers in W10. Problems can happen in any OS.
Linux is far from perfect although no OS is or ever will be perfect.


I've had to chase drivers down and then force them to install using compatibility mode in Windows 10 and in Windows 7 sometimes that's the only way to get something to work.


No OS will suit everyone, but there's a lot of myths about Linux that people get wrong. One can always try a Linux distro for free (how about that!) and run it from a USB without installing it (another cool thing!)


Well said Rokkor.:thumbsup:


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Something to keep in mind is Linux is not the same as Windows of any kind. You wil have to forget everything you learned in Windows and start all over learning how Linux works. You will find very few programs in Linux that will work like windows programs. To accomplish what you did in Linux, you will probably have to learn a new work flow. It's like going from driving a conventional forklift to driving a skid steer (such as a Bobcat). It's a completely different beast.

Once you accept Linux will not work like Windows and just go with the flow in Linux, it will be easier for you. That said, I know I'm going to go through Hell unlearning Windows and learning Linux but, being part Irish and part German, I'm stuborn enough to do it.
 

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One can always try a Linux distro for free (how about that!) and run it from a USB without installing it (another cool thing!)

A couple of questions...

1. Is there a specific website(s) recommended, from which to download a Linux distro?

2. Which version of Linux is suggested for someone who hasn't the faintest idea of how Linux works, and needs to start out 'simple'?

Much obliged for any info!:-)
 

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A couple of questions...

1. Is there a specific website(s) recommended, from which to download a Linux distro?

2. Which version of Linux is suggested for someone who hasn't the faintest idea of how Linux works, and needs to start out 'simple'?

Much obliged for any info!:-)

Most people recommend Linux Mint Cinnamon for beginners coming from Windows. Watch this video for instructions on where to download it, how to install it, and how to get started with it.

YouTube

This is an excellent forum for getting more help.

EzeeTalk
 

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Thanks very much for those two links, Jeannie! :D
 

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Linux is not the same as Windows of any kind. You wil have to forget everything you learned in Windows and start all over learning how Linux works.
A good read.

Linux is NOT Windows

Once you accept Linux will not work like Windows and just go with the flow in Linux, it will be easier for you. That said, I know I'm going to go through Hell unlearning Windows and learning Linux but, being part Irish and part German, I'm stuborn enough to do it.
I think you will be surprised how easy Linux is to learn.


Don't try to learn everything at once.


Become familiar with the Linux distro you install.


You learn Linux while using Linux and the important thing is to have fun and enjoy Linux.



Here's a good place to start your migration from Windows to Linux.

Linux Lite Easy to Use Free Linux Operating System

Linux Lite - Help Manual

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Years ago now I had some Linux-based servers and it was mostly great fun learning and using them. As for converting to Linux exclusively, I can't do it because I have several W-only programs that are the reasons I even have a computer now, so will continue using W7 until I can't anymore for whatever reason.

I suppose it is possible that in the future these programs will be converted-to or runnable-on Linux-based computers and when they are I'll certainly do it.
 

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I am firmly in the camp of keeping W7 indefinitely, using it with Sandboxie for browsing (which will be going open source in the near future). The programs I need are already installed, the OS has nice eye-candy, and it works fine. It will be a long time before new programs are not backwards compatible with it.

W10 is not an OS, it's a cloud service. I will never go that route myself.

Linux (for me) is fine to have around in the form of a few live drives, but it's not an OS I prefer over Windows. I'm a tweaker and power user and learned DOS in the 80s - am not interested in now switching from 30 years of point-and-click Windows to learning Unix commands to do the simplest thing. Linux is not intuitive and a PITA as a main OS for anyone who delves deeply and wants to configure things themselves.

I will keep my eye on ReactOS if I eventually need to dual boot into another OS to run newer programs. It is a backward-engineered, open-source Windows-clone OS. By the time I need to think about it, it might be the next best thing to having to 'change'. But for now, and into the foreseeable future, no change is necessary.

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A couple of questions...

1. Is there a specific website(s) recommended, from which to download a Linux distro?

2. Which version of Linux is suggested for someone who hasn't the faintest idea of how Linux works, and needs to start out 'simple'?

Much obliged for any info!:-)
I spent many, many hours researching which Linux distro was easiest for Windows users...and one distro kept coming up towards the top of most web site's list...Linux Mint. It comes complete with lots of software, can use propriety drivers and comes with codecs necessary for media play. It's a full featured OS, but considered great for beginners as it's easy to install and use. The guts of Linux is different than Windows, but the graphics (the desktop layout and menu) is more similar to W7 that W10 is to W7. I got the hang of it in a few hours and within a few days I was loving it! And after a couple weeks I decided it would be my new OS.

The links that Lady Fitzgerald and Poorguy posted are very helpful. Linux Mint 19.2 with the Cinnamon desktop is their flag ship OS. It not only looks the best IMO but is the easiest to use (at least for me it was). There's other Linux distros too, but I haven't tried them, of course most all are free to try.
 
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Neither LadyF nor I are brainwashed, and I'm aware of M$'s flaws. I work online, and while I'm not forced to use Office (I use OpenOffice,) I have to use Windows or a Mac. LadyF hit the nail on the head re: the big learning curve, the time to do it and the lack of Windows programs that run in Linux. So I might play with Linux on my 4th desktop in my copious free time. ;-)
 

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...PS About Sandoxie - for anyone unfamiliar and maybe interested, don't bother with the latest version (5.3x) as the company that currently maintains it is asking for name/add/phone to download the latest version. This is a new requirement based on some gvmt BS. Just look for the last SBIE version 5.2xx and you won't have that issue. Then keep an eye out for it to go open source and update it then.

You're not required to give them your real name and address or phone #, and you can use a throwaway 1-hour email from GuerrillaMail.
 

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Neither LadyF nor I are brainwashed, and I'm aware of M$'s flaws. I work online, and while I'm not forced to use Office (I use OpenOffice,) I have to use Windows or a Mac. LadyF hit the nail on the head re: the big learning curve, the time to do it and the lack of Windows programs that run in Linux. So I might play with Linux on my 4th desktop in my copious free time. ;-)

:) It is the very fact I have played with Linux repeatedly over the years - even installing Ubuntu on a spare laptop - and using various live drive distros (e.g. Puppy and several others, including Mint), that I know for a fact I do not want to switch to Linux. It's nice to have as a tool and fun to play with 'in all that copious time' few of us have, :) but other than that... y'eah. Not for me.
 

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You're not required to give them your real name and address or phone #, and you can use a throwaway 1-hour email from GuerrillaMail.

Easier to me to just use the previous version (which I already had installed so just stuck with). :) Been using SBIE for about 8yrs now, no AV, and it's wonderful. Really happy it's going open-source.
 

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Excellent article. Collins hits many of those points in the video I linked and he has (I think) another one specifically on that topic (or it may have been a post on his forum).


...I think you will be surprised how easy Linux is to learn....

Actually, methinks you would be surprised how difficult it will be for me to learn how to use Linux. I have various learning disabilities, chief of which is ADHD. It's taken me years to get to where I am now with Win 7 (and that's primarily because much of what I learned in XP was applicable to Win 7 (and the leap from NT to XP was a nightmare for me). Learning Linux will probably be easier than it was for me in Windows but it still won't be a picnic.


Years ago now I had some Linux-based servers and it was mostly great fun learning and using them. As for converting to Linux exclusively, I can't do it because I have several W-only programs that are the reasons I even have a computer now, so will continue using W7 until I can't anymore for whatever reason.

I suppose it is possible that in the future these programs will be converted-to or runnable-on Linux-based computers and when they are I'll certainly do it.

This what I was referring to when I said it may be necessary to develop a new work flow. Since Linux operates differently than Windows, often direct program conversion is not possible. Instead for looking for Linux versions of Windows programs (there are a few but not many), you will probably have to look for Linux programs that will, either individually or as a group, do what it is you want to accomplish. It probably be necessary to think outside the box.

Here is an example of this. I use multi-page .tif files to serve as containers for the scans I made of the album art and information for each of my DVDs/BDs before chucking the bulky cases they cam in and storing the discs in a storage box designed for the purpose. I would have used PDFs for the job but PDFs can't be tagged and .tiff files can. Tagging is the easiest way to change the sorting of the list of discs I have (by assigned file number or by movie title). In Win 7, I used Irfanview to create and view multipage .tif files but I could not, for the life of me, find a Linux graphics program that could make and view multi-page .tif files (neither could anyone I asked online). However, purely by accident (and dumb luck), I discovered that my commercial PDF creation/editing/viewing program I use in Win 7, Qoppa's PDF Studio Pro (which has a Linux version), is capable of either accepting .jpg or .pdf scans of the album art (and any other data included, such as booklets), and export them into a multipage .tif file. It also views multipage .tif files as though they are PDFs (and actually does a better job for viewing them than Irfanview). If I should ever want to (although I cannot ever enision wanting to do so), I can save the .tif I'm viewing as a PDF.

This is a completely different work flow than I had been using. I may even affect how I scan the covers since it won't be necessary to create individual .jpg files, allowing me to streamline the process by scanning multiple pages in my duplexing (scans both sides at once) ADF (Automatic Document Feed) scanner.

My ADF and flatbed scanners do not have Linux drivers available, neither proprietary or open source. Fortunately, there is a program called VueScan that will allow the use of my scanners in Linux (also, Windows and Mac, which was how I was able to try it out). You have to pay for a license for use on up to six devices (whoch is not strictly enforced) but their is a license is lifetime and is well worth it. Even that, however, has significant learning curve and uses a workflow that is different from my scanners' drivers. The one that will drive me nuts the most is that I have to name the resulting file and set the file type before I scan instead of afterwards as I'm used to doing. :confused:

Neither LadyF nor I are brainwashed, and I'm aware of M$'s flaws. I work online, and while I'm not forced to use Office (I use OpenOffice,) I have to use Windows or a Mac. LadyF hit the nail on the head re: the big learning curve, the time to do it and the lack of Windows programs that run in Linux. So I might play with Linux on my 4th desktop in my copious free time. ;-)

I'll have you know that my brain is squeeky clean. :p You hit the head on the nail (:confused:) when you suggested using a fourth machine to learn Linux on while still using your Windows and Mac machines.
 

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:) It is the very fact I have played with Linux repeatedly over the years - even installing Ubuntu on a spare laptop - and using various live drive distros (e.g. Puppy and several others, including Mint), that I know for a fact I do not want to switch to Linux. It's nice to have as a tool and fun to play with 'in all that copious time' few of us have, :) but other than that... y'eah. Not for me.

For me, staying with Windows (especially going to Win 10) is not an option. It will be a nightmare learning to use Linux and the new programs and workflows that will be needed in Linux to do what I do now in Win 7 (so far, I only Windows program I have that I haven't found a Linux program to do the same thing is Finale's music notation program but I haven't done any music writing or arranging in 12 years so I'm not losin g any sleep over it). I'm fortunate in that I'm retired and I'm not limited by an employer that dictates which programs I have to use. (:p to employers)
 

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Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
Browser
IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
Most people recommend Linux Mint Cinnamon for beginners coming from Windows.

As a predominately Windows person I can vouch that Linux Mint Cinnamon is relatively easy to use. I have it installed as a Hyper-V VM on one my W10 machines.

Which suggests a solution for those with Windows-only programs that may be putting them off Linux. There's nothing to stop you running a Windows virtual machine on a Linux host machine. The VMWare Player is available in both Windows and Linux form, for example.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    Windows 7 Home Premium x64AMD V1204GB
    Computer type
    Laptop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba satellite C650D
    OS
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64
    CPU
    AMD V120
    Memory
    4GB
    Internet Speed
    150 Mbps
    Antivirus
    MSE
    Browser
    IE11, Edge, Firefox
    Other Info
    I also have W7 Pro on my System Two, and several W7 Hyper-V VMs. My other machines run Windows 10/11. Their specs are in my Ten Forums & Eleven Forum profiles.
  • At a glance

    Windows 7 Pro x64Intel i5-3320M8 GB
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Lenovo Thinkpad T430
    OS
    Windows 7 Pro x64
    CPU
    Intel i5-3320M
    Memory
    8 GB
    Hard Drives
    250GB Samsung SSD 860 EVO
    Antivirus
    MSE
... I'm fortunate in that I'm retired and I'm not limited by an employer that dictates which programs I have to use...
Same here, and what I've learned as the years go by is that I am busier in retirement than I ever imagined I would be (how'd I used to get stuff done at home when I worked 60-80hrs/week?) and that Time is Precious.

When W7 stops working to my satisfaction, then (and only then) will I consider how best to solve whatever problems I might have.

Not everyone's MO but that is mine at least insofar as either learning W10 or migrating to another OS are concerned.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Professional 64bitIntel Core i7 4600M @ 2.90GHz16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 797MHz (11-11-11-28)Intel HD Graphics 4600 (Dell) 2048MB ATI AMD ...
Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell Latitude E6540 Laptop
OS
Windows 7 Professional 64bit
CPU
Intel Core i7 4600M @ 2.90GHz
Motherboard
Dell Inc. 0CYT5F (SOCKET 0)
Memory
16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 797MHz (11-11-11-28)
Graphics Card(s)
Intel HD Graphics 4600 (Dell) 2048MB ATI AMD Radeon HD 8790M
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
HP ZR30w (2560x1600@60Hz)
Hard Drives
256GB LITEONIT LMT-256M6M-41 mm SATA (SSD)
1TB Samsung SSD 860 EVO mSATA SATA (SSD)
2TB USB 3.0 USB Device
115GB SanDisk Ultra Fit USB
Other Info
Multiple Dell E-Port Plus II Port Replicator/Docking Stations 0Y72NH USB 3.0 + 130W AC Adapters
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