Why has Firefox become so bad?

[madtownidiot]

I'm calling bull$** on this whole issue.
trying to run 20+ tabs simultaneously might use 1.2GB.

You might need to eat that.
Chrome can handle 20+ tabs without lagging and without consuming half as much memory as firefox.
Firefox handles 20+ tabs with lagging and consuming 1.2GB of RAM.

Hmm...I guess you're partially right. Here's firefox with 20+ tabs open peaked at 170MB. Doesn't lag on my laptop at all no matter what I do with it, and I'm pretty sure my laptop's slower than whatever computer you're using.

 

[Ravanx]

I'm calling bull$** on this whole issue.
trying to run 20+ tabs simultaneously might use 1.2GB.

You might need to eat that.
Chrome can handle 20+ tabs without lagging and without consuming half as much memory as firefox.
Firefox handles 20+ tabs with lagging and consuming 1.2GB of RAM.

Hmm...I guess you're partially right. Here's firefox with 20+ tabs open peaked at 170MB. Doesn't lag on my laptop at all no matter what I do with it, and I'm pretty sure my laptop's slower than whatever computer you're using.
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Have you kept your laptop on for two weeks (or at least a few days) consecutively while keeping the 20 tabs there without exiting firefox or rebooting your laptop? Would the result be the same?

 

[madtownidiot]

Have you kept your laptop on for two weeks (or at least a few days) consecutively while keeping the 20 tabs there without exiting firefox or rebooting your laptop? Would the result be the same?

you just proved my point.

Your problem with firefox has little or nothing to do with firefox itself, but the way you use your computer. Chrome rates higher on the benchmarks because it has almost no security built into it, which makes it lighter on a system, but fills it full of holes. If you leave almost any application running, then do something else and go back it it, you'll find it runs a little slower than before if your system doesn't have enough memory to avoid reverting to the pagefile for multiple running apps. I would bet the pagefile is in hundreds of fragments because you don't shut your computer down and do basic maintenance. When's the last time you cleared the browsing history, cleaned up and defragged your HDD? I would bet if you ran ccleaner it would remove at least a GB from your system.

 

[JMH]

Have you kept your laptop on for two weeks (or at least a few days) consecutively while keeping the 20 tabs there without exiting firefox or rebooting your laptop? Would the result be the same?

you just proved my point.

Your problem with firefox has little or nothing to do with firefox itself, but the way you use your computer. Chrome rates higher on the benchmarks because it has almost no security built into it, which makes it lighter on a system, but fills it full of holes. If you leave almost any application running, then do something else and go back it it, you'll find it runs a little slower than before if your system doesn't have enough memory to avoid reverting to the pagefile for multiple running apps. I would bet the pagefile is in hundreds of fragments because you don't shut your computer down and do basic maintenance. When's the last time you cleared the browsing history, cleaned up and defragged your HDD?.

Agreed.
I suggest the perceived problem lies with the user not Firefox.
No complaints re FF here.

 

[noobvious]

have you kept your laptop on for two weeks (or at least a few days) consecutively while keeping the 20 tabs there without exiting firefox or rebooting your laptop? Would the result be the same?

you just proved my point.

your problem with firefox has little or nothing to do with firefox itself, but the way you use your computer. chrome rates higher on the benchmarks because it has almost no security built into it, which makes it lighter on a system, but fills it full of holes. If you leave almost any application running, then do something else and go back it it, you'll find it runs a little slower than before if your system doesn't have enough memory to avoid reverting to the pagefile for multiple running apps. I would bet the pagefile is in hundreds of fragments because you don't shut your computer down and do basic maintenance. when's the last time you cleared the browsing history, cleaned up and defragged your hdd?.

agreed.
I suggest the perceived problem lies with the user not firefox.
No complaints re ff here.

 

[blackzero]

Here: http://www.sevenforums.com/browsers-mail/123869-firefox-4-0-beta-7-released.html#post1068773

Relevant at topic at hand. Does anyone have the answer?

 

[Ravanx]

Have you kept your laptop on for two weeks (or at least a few days) consecutively while keeping the 20 tabs there without exiting firefox or rebooting your laptop? Would the result be the same?

you just proved my point.

Your problem with firefox has little or nothing to do with firefox itself, but the way you use your computer. Chrome rates higher on the benchmarks because it has almost no security built into it, which makes it lighter on a system, but fills it full of holes. If you leave almost any application running, then do something else and go back it it, you'll find it runs a little slower than before if your system doesn't have enough memory to avoid reverting to the pagefile for multiple running apps. I would bet the pagefile is in hundreds of fragments because you don't shut your computer down and do basic maintenance. When's the last time you cleared the browsing history, cleaned up and defragged your HDD?.

Agreed.
I suggest the perceived problem lies with the user not Firefox.
No complaints re FF here.

Proved what point?

Let's see. How am I supposed to defrag my hard disk when it is 0% fragmented?

 

[madtownidiot]

As I said before, bull$h** .. Post a screenshot of FF and task manager that shows FF using more than a GB of RAM. If you simply hate firefox and are looking for sympathy, this was the wrong place to go looking for it. If you actually have the problems you're describing, clearing browsing history, running ccleaner, and defragmenting your HDD will solve it, unless you have a bunch of toolbars and addons or your system is full of spyware.

 

[yowanvista]

you just proved my point.

Your problem with firefox has little or nothing to do with firefox itself, but the way you use your computer. Chrome rates higher on the benchmarks because it has almost no security built into it, which makes it lighter on a system, but fills it full of holes. If you leave almost any application running, then do something else and go back it it, you'll find it runs a little slower than before if your system doesn't have enough memory to avoid reverting to the pagefile for multiple running apps. I would bet the pagefile is in hundreds of fragments because you don't shut your computer down and do basic maintenance. When's the last time you cleared the browsing history, cleaned up and defragged your HDD?.

Agreed.
I suggest the perceived problem lies with the user not Firefox.
No complaints re FF here.

Proved what point?

Let's see. How am I supposed to defrag my hard disk when it is 0% fragmented?

Addons, Toolbars, AVs can slow FF

 

[madtownidiot]

Addons, Toolbars, AVs can slow FF

Worst thing you can do to a browser if you want it to be fast is add extensions, especially if it looks like this

or worse

 

[malexous]

Chrome rates higher on the benchmarks because it has almost no security built into it, which makes it lighter on a system, but fills it full of holes.

What security should Chrome have built-in that it doesn't? Wilders Security Forums - View Single Post - Iron vs Firefox vs IE: Security

 

[Tepid]

Yeah, I'm not buying it either. I use FF as well without issue.

I am seeing a Chrome commercial here.

BTW, Google's real ethics are still in huge question.

 

[Pusspa]

Addons, Toolbars, AVs can slow FF

Worst thing you can do to a browser if you want it to be fast is add extensions, especially if it looks like this
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or worse
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that second pic really made me lol!! (IE8 ftw btw)

 

[fseal]

The first pic is how I see some people actually running FF.

The second was actually a joke pic by someone trying to see how many toolbars they could get installed at once.

 

[madtownidiot]

Chrome rates higher on the benchmarks because it has almost no security built into it, which makes it lighter on a system, but fills it full of holes.

What security should Chrome have built-in that it doesn't? Wilders Security Forums - View Single Post - Iron vs Firefox vs IE: Security

Chrome has no security whatsoever. Google knows everything you do on the internet when you use chrome. End of discussion on Chrome

 

[malexous]

How is that anything to do with a benchmark test? Chrome has no privacy (that's why ChromePlus, SRWare Iron and others exist) but it uses lots of security.

 

[madtownidiot]

Unless a person wants to tell someone, it is nobody else's business who they talk to, what they search for, what they read, what videos they watch, where they live, what they buy, where they're planning to go on vacation, what religion they have, their mother's maiden name, what political views they have ..I could go on ad infinitum.. If you have no privacy, you have no security. Therefore chrome has no security... but besides that fact.. chrome has been the #3 reason my xp-and-vista-using customers ended up with rouge AVs, trojans, spyware and other infestations. Malware in P2P downloads and IE were #1 and #2 respectively. Until very recently (the past 15 days to be exact) Google has done absolutely nothing to protect people from malicious sites. And besides that, benchmarks don't always reflect real world performance. It wouldn't matter if a browser could render a 50MB java app in 3 milliseconds if it crashes at least once every time you use it

 

[Prof Kerfuffle]

I hate to use Chrome over Firefox but it's proving to be superior to Firefox in the most important areas of memory consumption, lag speed and stability. Chrome has major problems ensuring that downloads do not become corrupted, which is a nail to its heart.

Firefox, please take care of the important core issues before fiddling around with issues concerning user-created plugin...

No download issues for me, downloaded burnout paradise demo with out any issues, I swapped to chrome a few months back (great browser) IE 9 is better in my opinion than FF 3.6/4 beta

 

[malexous]

Chrome has never crashed for me or for many others while other browsers have crashed on every use for some.

What has Google started doing recently that protect people from malicious sites? They already have Google Safe Browsing API - Google Code

What percentage of your customers became infected while using Chrome without any interaction from the customer and how do you know it wasn't caused by a Flash or Java or other exploit and how do you know if they were using another browser at the time that they wouldn't get infected?

 

[Petey7]

Why do have the people on this thread assume the user is to blame for his/her problem with firefox. You will find that a lot of people don't like firefox, which is why chrome has become as popular as it has in such a short time. A lot of people have problems with firefox running slowly or crashing regularly, even after deleting cookies, browsing data, and what have you. If you don't have problems, good for you, but don't assume everyone that does run into a problem is to blame, just like we don't like people blaming their problems on Bill Gates or Win7.

BTW can I see some secondary source stating that all your browsing data gets sent to google? I see people saying it, but no evidence for it. And chromes speed and reliability has a lot to do with the fact that it opens a new process for all tabs and plug-ins.