Windows 7 64 bit crashes.

[SquonkSC]

Well I only have 2 PCI slots, the rest are PCIe

It's in the second at the minute so I'll give it a swap around.

I've had the soundcard for maybe 4 months now and it runs fine on Vista / XP which is why i can't understand why Windows 7 has a problem with it.

But i'll definately switch it around tomorrow morning when i get up.

I still can't help but think Utorrent is somehow responsible. I've read on the utorrent forums of other people with the exact same issue but people over there are saying only a driver could be causing the problem - which is strange.

Thanks man

I am curious what is in the other PCI slot?

 

[dook]

Morning everyone,

@squonksc - It was a TV Tuner. I've taken it out now and I'm still getting the same problems. I'm gonna try switching the ports around now, see if i get anywhere.

@usamsa - The update adviser told me that my sound card isn't compatible with Windows 7. I'm guessing that would be what's causing the error? Apparently M-Audio are at an internal beta stage for drivers for the sound card. The vista 64 ones did work fine though appart from one snag - the PC wouldn't shut down, so i had to make a logoff rule to end the audio service and after that i seemingly had no problems.

 

[dook]

okay, i've switched the pci slot that the soundcard is in, the system was fine for about 2 hours. Then I opened up uTorrent and the PC crashed in like 5 minutes.

Also, as earlier suggested, i did a memory check. (memtest x86+) that came back with no errors.

So i'm still very lost. I can't understand why it would be uTorrent causing it to crash, but it's the only constant i can find.

 

[vpr]

Hi Dook,

I've been having similar problems to you, except mine have been ongoing for about a year now. It doesn't help that I'm an American living in China that doesn't speak fluent Chinese, so it's difficult to find parts and/or test things.

I've replaced my motherboard twice, memory twice, bought new HDs (added them to my existing ones though), and done all sorts of tests but I continue to get random restarts, bsods, freezes both in Vista x86 and windows 7 x64. It's gotten to the point where I just want to get rid of my computer and start over, but it's not something I can afford.

I too also have a 9800GTX+ and I also run uTorrent (all night) - these are similarities I've seen between our posts. I'm currently running a C2D E6300 w/ 4GB Ram (1x1GB or 2x2GB doesn't matter) and several SATAII HDs.

Keep us updated, I'm paying attention to this thread.

 

[dook]

Hi Dook,

I've been having similar problems to you, except mine have been ongoing for about a year now. It doesn't help that I'm an American living in China that doesn't speak fluent Chinese, so it's difficult to find parts and/or test things.

I've replaced my motherboard twice, memory twice, bought new HDs (added them to my existing ones though), and done all sorts of tests but I continue to get random restarts, bsods, freezes both in Vista x86 and windows 7 x64. It's gotten to the point where I just want to get rid of my computer and start over, but it's not something I can afford.

I too also have a 9800GTX+ and I also run uTorrent (all night) - these are similarities I've seen between our posts. I'm currently running a C2D E6300 w/ 4GB Ram (1x1GB or 2x2GB doesn't matter) and several SATAII HDs.

Keep us updated, I'm paying attention to this thread.

I've gotta say Vista 64 has always ran perfectly for me, as does XP. However when this started messing up the other night, I installed Vista and it's being a little choppy on there now too.

I'm on windows 7 now and as long as i don't open uTorrent it runs fine. What driver do you have installed for your GFX card?

 

[dook]

I've left the PC on for the past 8 hours and it's been absolutely fine without uTorrent open.

I really think it has to be uTorrent. But what the hell could cause it to crash the system completely?!

my system hasn't crashed like that since XP...

 

[vpr]

@dook

I was using the latest available drivers from nvidia - it has crashed so many times that windows 7 will no longer boot saying that the registry is either missing or corrupt, and asking me to do a repair. However, something is wrong with my DVD drive as it will burn a disk fine, but won't read the same disk it's burnt.

 

[Antman]

You have not filled out your system specs in acordance with forum policy. I will try to help you without the information I really need.

Uninstall uTorrent. Acquire latest version, no betas. Reinstall and test.

uTorrent, in and of itself, is neither problematic nor a likely cause of your memory crashes. Any torrent client stresses RAM and thrashes a disk, stressing the drive motor. This stress is also placed on the drive controller/host adapter, which is more tolerant. The stress is felt in the power distribution, not exclusive to the power supply, and can affect the northbridge (memory).

Possible solutions (only on-site tech can really determine the order):

Temporarily replace power supply. You may be underpowered (how can I tell w/o specs?) Make sure the test PSU is of appropriate capacity. Boot and test.

You can individually uninstall each device via Device Manager. Scan for hardware changes, allowing Windows to automatically install found drivers. Manually install certain video and sound drivers, specialty cards IF you know there are special concerns relative to that card. Boot each time. Replace all drivers before testing. You MUST begin with the chipset drivers - No Exception to validate this method.

You report MemTest with no errors but not iterations. MemTest does not stress the power distribution across the whole board. Replace all RAM chips with known good sticks, or remove and rotate each current RAM chip per test. Boot and test with single RAM chips and cycle through all sticks. It may be necessary to populate two DIMM slots and perform a cycle of this test - it is possible for all sticks to pass individually but to fail as a group.

Tweaking voltages in BIOS may help. Bump the northbridge up one notch. Boot and test.

Replace HDD, recreate OS and software environment. Test. If this fails, you have a mother/daughterboard problem. Remove all cards possible, boot and test. Replace one card at a time, inserting high power draw cards closest to the PSU (especially NIC if applicable). If all cards pass, you have a mobo or CPU problem.

Other knowledgeable members, please advise.

 

[vpr]

I updated my system specs, but the OP hasn't yet.

 

[dook]

Sorry, I posted my specs in the original post, but I'll do them on the profile part now too.

fyi, my power supply is an ezcool 550w.

I've never had this problem before. I'm dual booting (two hard drives) and XP runs just fine?

It's going to take a while to do all the recommendations you gave there so i'll give you an update in a few hours.

Thanks

 

[chev65]

People with this crashing problem read this thread and the fix I came up with.
http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/14477-contast-bsods-3.html#post162766

 

[dook]

My problem is I'm not getting BSOD's anymore, just the whole PC crashes when I open uTorrent.

my system's uptime is 20 hours now, because i havent opened uTorrent.

If i do it will crash within 20 minutes.

 

[Antman]

I like the looks of Chev65's tweak. Esp. since you are driving 2Gb x4. Bump up the northbridge voltage one notch and test. Also, make sure you have the latest uTorrent.

Regarding the PSU - I drive a CL 500. That doesn't mean I will never have a problem with it.

 

[chev65]

My problem is I'm not getting BSOD's anymore, just the whole PC crashes when I open uTorrent.

my system's uptime is 20 hours now, because i havent opened uTorrent.

If i do it will crash within 20 minutes.

This fix has been known to fix Crashes, BSOD, and general instablity. For Win 7 and 4GB it seems that using more than the default northbridge voltage is required to be stable.

This fix has surprized many people and not only on this forum. This is the third time I've posted this fix here and it seems to work for someone everytime.

I'm not sure about the Utorrent deal though, I never had any problems running Utorrent. Most of the problems occur when moving files accross the network which tends to load the memory controller causing instablity if the NB voltages aren't up high enough, even on systems running stock CPU settings. Maybe someday I'll have more than one Rep point LOL.

 

[Antman]

This is the third time I've posted this fix here...Maybe someday I'll have more than one Rep point LOL.

Actually, you post links to threads with a cryptic reference to what the reader will find. That behavior emulates malware. This will not earn rep points from those members with higher rep points to give.

This is as much a teaching platform as it is a learning environment. What you have uncovered with this suggestion is significant, if not profoundly intuitive. Keep up the good work and conform.

You will be assimilated.

 

[dook]

haha I'm just very wary of upping the northbridge. I don't want to overclock at all, i know it's not massive, but anything above stock is overclocked and to be honest, Windows 7 should NOT require this. My CPU has a FSB of 1333 why would this need to be upped? My ram is only 800mhz...

 

[usasma]

Win7 is beta - that means it may not be stable.
While I don't mess with the voltages/BIOS settings any longer, I do recognize the need to test to see if it fixes things.

I'd try the voltage "tweak" mentioned. If you're unsure about it, up it one setting at a time. Watch for instability. If you get problems, revert back to the previous settings to verify that it was the settings causing it.

Then you'll have the information that you need. You can either revert back to stock settings, or keep the settings that work for you.

 

[dook]

To be honest I've come to the conclusion it's a lot more hassle than it's worth. My system is rock solid stable except for uTorrent, so I'm just going to use a different torrent program. I've seen on the uTorrent forums that there are numerous people running Win7 with this problem so I'm going to assume it will be fixed in their next build and until then use a different client.

Cheers

 

[Snufffed]

System Manufacturer/Model Number Dook1
OS Windows 7600.16385 / Vista x64 / XP
CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9300. 2.5Ghz
Motherboard ASUS P5K-C
Memory 8GB (4x 2GB) Corsair 800mhz
Graphics Card 512mb XFX Geforce 9800GTX+ (Pcie) / Radeon 2600HD Pro (Pcie)
Sound Card M-Audio Audiophile 24/96
Monitor(s) Displays 2x Hanns-G 19", 1x Generic 15", 1x 42" NEC
Screen Resolution 2x 1280x1024, 1x 1024x768, 1x 1360x768

Many forums all over are complaining about ASUS mobo's in reference to Win7 X64. Also many bios do not default the PCIE settings on the Video cards.
he also shows different monitors, and different Video cards. Not sure if he has all them installed, and trying to use. at the same time .. All manufactures do RECOMMEND that all Video cards, (be of the same type and manufacture).
not sure if the same is recommended on dual monitors, but it would make since, to have twin or nearly identical monitors.

 

[dook]

Many forums all over are complaining about ASUS mobo's in reference to Win7 X64. Also many bios do not default the PCIE settings on the Video cards.
he also shows different monitors, and different Video cards. Not sure if he has all them installed, and trying to use. at the same time .. All manufactures do RECOMMEND that all Video cards, (be of the same type and manufacture).
not sure if the same is recommended on dual monitors, but it would make since, to have twin or nearly identical monitors.

Windows 7 100% supports 2 WDDM drivers, as did windows XP. Windows Vista does not. The 4 monitor thing is perfectly fine - I tried it with only one card installed and it still encountered the same error. Cheers.