Windows 7's Unexpected 'Killer' Feature

Regardless of R.C.K. this article is still valid.

~Lordbob
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Hera
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64, Mint 9
CPU
Intel i5-2500k
Motherboard
ASUS P8P67 Pro
Memory
2x 4Gb Corsair VENGEANCE DDR3-1600
Graphics Card(s)
NVidia GeForce N260GTX Twin Frozr
Sound Card
Realtek HD OnBoard Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
ASUS 24" Monitor
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
G.SKILL Phoenix Series 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3R 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA II
PSU
Cooler Master Real Power Pro 750W
Case
Cooler Master Haf 932
Cooling
Fans
Keyboard
Razer Tarantula
Mouse
Razer Lachesis
Internet Speed
not fast enough
I normally use about 13GB of disc space on my laptop (Windows + Office + ETC)

I can see you guys shuddering as you read this

Not really when I look at the sizes available for 2.5" drives used for laptops. I would be cramped here with only a portion of things on any portable!
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    Custom builds = 2
    OS
    W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64/W11 Pro Triple Boot - Main PC W7 Remote PC Micro ATX W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 2nd remote pc
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4-Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Hyper X Fury 8gb 2nd
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower
    Sound Card
    Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio P - Realtek onooard 2nd case
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VW199T-P 19" HP 2082a Main-HP 2082a 20" remote pc
    Screen Resolution
    Asus 1440x900 - HP 1600x900
    Hard Drives
    WD Black 1TB HD per OS W7, W10, and pending W11 presently on 500gb OS Drive - Pending Triple 1TB HDs for Spanned Storage/backup volume
    Single 2TB external USB enclosure, single 1TB System 7 Host/Boot drive, Pending 8TB external HD for system image b
    PSU
    Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second
    Case
    Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900A
    Keyboard
    AZIO L70 Backlit Letters Gaming - ONN Cordless/USB
    Mouse
    MSI DS200 Programmable, Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi
    Antivirus
    GFI VIPRE Internet Security 2014 on W7 2016 beta on W10,
    Browser
    Cyberfox, WaterFox 64bit FF variants, FireFox x64, Pale Moon
    Other Info
    Accomdata fan cooled usb 2.0 PIDE/Sata II, III external enclosure.
    Sambient usb/eSata PATA/Sata II, III external enclosure.
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    CUSTOM ASSEMBLY
    OS
    W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Deneb 3.6ghz - 965
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X Fury 8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 6450 DVI Output
    Sound Card
    Realtek onooard Creative or Other separate PENDING
    Monitor(s) Displays
    VIZIO 32" LCD TV Separate LCD Pending
    Screen Resolution
    1600x1080
    Hard Drives
    WD 500GB OS Host/Boot WD Green 1TB Storage/Backup
    PSU
    Corsair 600W - THERMALTAKE 600W spare case
    Case
    NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Twin 120mm Top Fans - 240mm Side Cover
    Keyboard
    ONN Cordless/USB Logitech Cordless
    Mouse
    ONN USB/Cordless - Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    DSL 5G
    Browser
    MS Edge, FireFox, WaterFox x64, FireFox Nightly
    Other Info
    OS Testing-Remote Access to Main TeamViewer
As a former XP user who didn't want to buy a new laptop (Thinkpad T42p) when Vista arrived and flowed like mollasses in December, I went to Ubuntu and was somewhat pleased by the eyecandy, and speed (free software, too!) Then I found out that most of the really important things were only written for Windows and went back to XP on a dual boot - not the most convenient arrangement - for the old Thinkpad. Now I have 7 and Ubuntu 9.10 on dual boot and haven't used Ubuntu for days since 7 started getting squared away... it does take a little fiddling to get everything together. I can see myself deleting the Linux partition at some point because I'll want that space back. I also look forward to someday getting a new laptop someday and I'll already have the OS that ships with it figured, and the software to dump on it. This is Microsoft's killer feature: They are number one and this new OS will widen the gap. Linux is great, but you still need to constantly massage your setup to keep it running and most people will not want to declare their computer as their new hobby or as a dependent.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
IBM Thinkpad T42p
OS
windows7 Professional
CPU
Pentium M
Memory
2 gig
Graphics Card(s)
FireGL T2
Sound Card
Sound Max
Monitor(s) Displays
onboard
Hard Drives
150g
Internet Speed
DSL
Want Linux along 7 but need drive space? Virtual Box But make sure that is the 32bit not 64bit release of any OS there. I was able to get the 64bit RC on the Portable version of VBox however while the regular is a bit more fussy there.

The one thing about the present laptop as far as virtualization however will be whether the support is there for VB or even running the XP Mode on 7. The Portable VB of course went onto a usb flash not on the main drive when used here. That would be a thought for you there. wahoobob

7 so far has come out of development farther along seeing fewer problems then any previous version so far. Going back as far as the 9x family tree there 95 had it's OSR2 while the following 98 saw the need for a second edition! ME went thumbs down while 2000 saw 4-5 service packs. XP and Vista have had theirs already.

MS finally made some real progress with 7. Let's hope they keep the trend for the following versions to come still.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    Custom builds = 2
    OS
    W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64/W11 Pro Triple Boot - Main PC W7 Remote PC Micro ATX W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 2nd remote pc
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4-Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Hyper X Fury 8gb 2nd
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower
    Sound Card
    Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio P - Realtek onooard 2nd case
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VW199T-P 19" HP 2082a Main-HP 2082a 20" remote pc
    Screen Resolution
    Asus 1440x900 - HP 1600x900
    Hard Drives
    WD Black 1TB HD per OS W7, W10, and pending W11 presently on 500gb OS Drive - Pending Triple 1TB HDs for Spanned Storage/backup volume
    Single 2TB external USB enclosure, single 1TB System 7 Host/Boot drive, Pending 8TB external HD for system image b
    PSU
    Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second
    Case
    Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900A
    Keyboard
    AZIO L70 Backlit Letters Gaming - ONN Cordless/USB
    Mouse
    MSI DS200 Programmable, Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi
    Antivirus
    GFI VIPRE Internet Security 2014 on W7 2016 beta on W10,
    Browser
    Cyberfox, WaterFox 64bit FF variants, FireFox x64, Pale Moon
    Other Info
    Accomdata fan cooled usb 2.0 PIDE/Sata II, III external enclosure.
    Sambient usb/eSata PATA/Sata II, III external enclosure.
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    CUSTOM ASSEMBLY
    OS
    W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Deneb 3.6ghz - 965
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X Fury 8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 6450 DVI Output
    Sound Card
    Realtek onooard Creative or Other separate PENDING
    Monitor(s) Displays
    VIZIO 32" LCD TV Separate LCD Pending
    Screen Resolution
    1600x1080
    Hard Drives
    WD 500GB OS Host/Boot WD Green 1TB Storage/Backup
    PSU
    Corsair 600W - THERMALTAKE 600W spare case
    Case
    NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Twin 120mm Top Fans - 240mm Side Cover
    Keyboard
    ONN Cordless/USB Logitech Cordless
    Mouse
    ONN USB/Cordless - Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    DSL 5G
    Browser
    MS Edge, FireFox, WaterFox x64, FireFox Nightly
    Other Info
    OS Testing-Remote Access to Main TeamViewer
I'm an XP Pro fan because it works, it is paid for and compared to the older os' that are serving their time as coasters it is much better.
I used 7RC for several months and like it very much. My computer runs it well and updating my pc to 7 would be an easy process even running the "upgrade" path.

Saying 7 is "killer" anything because it is 250 times faster on an 8 core HP is very misleading. I wonder what percentage of the total computer using population is using an 8 core anything? I doubt very many. Hell one of my computers at work still uses Win95 and is stuck there because of a certain piece of software that I need for a test device and there are no drivers available to upgrade it...but it still works and works quite well in its' singular use.

I still like 7 but missing out on the "pre" order...my fault argh...means I am not in a big hurry to drop what ms wants for the new os when my current os works just fine.
 

My Computer

OS
xp pro
a lot of die hard xp fans hate vista and prob wont be switching to win 7

LOL... I am a diehard XP'er, as I type my W7 pre order is on the shelf waiting to be installed. Tho I am running W7 7100 x64 on another PC.

When Vista came along, I tried, then went back to XP and didnt look back until I saw what 7 was doing, I went thru the beta and liked it from the start.

I would install 7 on my main PC (XP) but have so many 32bit apps. I am also wondering why, with the 64bit PC I am almost out of space (2gb left on 69gb WD 10k drive), and dont even have that many apps installed compared to the XP box, which also has the same identical drive, but with 35 gb free space, and so many apps, like I mentioned. Will I need a large drive just for W7?

And then again I dont really like the mail setup for windows mail, it looks messy, I know I can probably clean it but havent even played with it, not even in the 64bit box, lol

I"m running the same WD 10k driive on my machine and found going to Win 7 uses about half the space Vista did.
I know you said your running XP what I did was install another HD and create a new folder named "Program Files 2". I install my programs there and save my setup files to another folder "set up files" along with passwords and serial numbers. If windows decides to take a hike I don't loose anything. Never save anything you care about on the drive the OS is on because sooner or later it's going to be gone.:cry:
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
home built
OS
Win 7 Home Premium 64 bit
CPU
3.30 gigahertz AMD Phenom II X6 1100T
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4A79XTD EVO Rev X.0X
Memory
8 gigs DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon HD 5670
Sound Card
Intel onboard
Monitor(s) Displays
Acer 24"
Screen Resolution
1680x1050
Hard Drives
Seagate 1 teabyte
Maxtor 500 gig
Seagate 750 gig
PSU
750 watt
Cooling
ASUS Silent Square CPU Cooler
Mouse
Microsoft natural wireless 6000 series
a lot of die hard xp fans hate vista and prob wont be switching to win 7

LOL... I am a diehard XP'er, as I type my W7 pre order is on the shelf waiting to be installed. Tho I am running W7 7100 x64 on another PC.

When Vista came along, I tried, then went back to XP and didnt look back until I saw what 7 was doing, I went thru the beta and liked it from the start.

I would install 7 on my main PC (XP) but have so many 32bit apps. I am also wondering why, with the 64bit PC I am almost out of space (2gb left on 69gb WD 10k drive), and dont even have that many apps installed compared to the XP box, which also has the same identical drive, but with 35 gb free space, and so many apps, like I mentioned. Will I need a large drive just for W7?

And then again I dont really like the mail setup for windows mail, it looks messy, I know I can probably clean it but havent even played with it, not even in the 64bit box, lol

I"m running the same WD 10k driive on my machine and found going to Win 7 uses about half the space Vista did.
I know you said your running XP what I did was install another HD and create a new folder named "Program Files 2". I install my programs there and save my setup files to another folder "set up files" along with passwords and serial numbers. If windows decides to take a hike I don't loose anything. Never save anything you care about on the drive the OS is on because sooner or later it's going to be gone.:cry:

Hmm thats an interesting idea, often thought about putting program files on another drive but thought that wasn't ok.

Well I did manage to get another 6gb free, so now I am at 9gb free. I just might try your way out on another PC, but install the RC to test.

I am almost ready to pull the plug on XP but the 32bit to 64bit, running 32bit apps is the decisive part.. I know it will be ok with WOW64, and doing so I can add the third 2gb chip, so I can get that all working, it might help me a bit more, with 6gb Ram than 3gb (XP)....

Gerry
 
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My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self built
OS
W764 & W764
CPU
AMD Phenom II X4 810 2.6ghz & AMD|PH II X6 1055T 2.8G AM3 RT
Motherboard
Asus M4A79T Deluxe & ASUS| M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 880G
Memory
6.0 gb & 16.0 gb (64bit)
Graphics Card(s)
GForce 9800 GTX 512gb & Sapphire HD6870
Sound Card
Integrated
Monitor(s) Displays
1 32" LG 1080 TV
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
(Phenom X4)
WD 10K 74 GB 3.0gb/s
WD 320 GB
2 X WD 7200 1TB 3.0gb/s
-External HDs-
3 X WD 1 TB 3.0gb/s

(Phenom X6)
WD 10K 300 GB 3.0gb/s
WD 1TB 6.0 gbs
-External HDs-
WD 1 TB 6.0gb/s thru eSATA
WD 1 TB 6.0gb/s thre USB 3.0
PSU
Corsair 750 W & CoolerMaster 700W
Case
CM690 & CM690
Cooling
Both CM690 have 7 120mm Fans
Keyboard
stock USB
Mouse
logitech wireless
Internet Speed
cable
Other Info
I do alot of Video and DVD burning
I run heavy loads with 4gb including games without worry since going from 4gb to 6gb or even upto 8gb won't see any performance boost unless you are working with Cad or some orher memory hungry applications. The more noticable difference will simply be the upgrade from old to new. (XP to 7)
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    Custom builds = 2
    OS
    W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64/W11 Pro Triple Boot - Main PC W7 Remote PC Micro ATX W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 2nd remote pc
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4-Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Hyper X Fury 8gb 2nd
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower
    Sound Card
    Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio P - Realtek onooard 2nd case
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VW199T-P 19" HP 2082a Main-HP 2082a 20" remote pc
    Screen Resolution
    Asus 1440x900 - HP 1600x900
    Hard Drives
    WD Black 1TB HD per OS W7, W10, and pending W11 presently on 500gb OS Drive - Pending Triple 1TB HDs for Spanned Storage/backup volume
    Single 2TB external USB enclosure, single 1TB System 7 Host/Boot drive, Pending 8TB external HD for system image b
    PSU
    Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second
    Case
    Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900A
    Keyboard
    AZIO L70 Backlit Letters Gaming - ONN Cordless/USB
    Mouse
    MSI DS200 Programmable, Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi
    Antivirus
    GFI VIPRE Internet Security 2014 on W7 2016 beta on W10,
    Browser
    Cyberfox, WaterFox 64bit FF variants, FireFox x64, Pale Moon
    Other Info
    Accomdata fan cooled usb 2.0 PIDE/Sata II, III external enclosure.
    Sambient usb/eSata PATA/Sata II, III external enclosure.
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    CUSTOM ASSEMBLY
    OS
    W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Deneb 3.6ghz - 965
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X Fury 8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 6450 DVI Output
    Sound Card
    Realtek onooard Creative or Other separate PENDING
    Monitor(s) Displays
    VIZIO 32" LCD TV Separate LCD Pending
    Screen Resolution
    1600x1080
    Hard Drives
    WD 500GB OS Host/Boot WD Green 1TB Storage/Backup
    PSU
    Corsair 600W - THERMALTAKE 600W spare case
    Case
    NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Twin 120mm Top Fans - 240mm Side Cover
    Keyboard
    ONN Cordless/USB Logitech Cordless
    Mouse
    ONN USB/Cordless - Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    DSL 5G
    Browser
    MS Edge, FireFox, WaterFox x64, FireFox Nightly
    Other Info
    OS Testing-Remote Access to Main TeamViewer
Win XP won't die anytime soon.

Lets face some facts here. Those of us that are interested enough to belong to forums such as this are in the top ten percentile of computer users. I'm running Win 7 X64 build 7600 on my desktop, I have plenty of space and my configuration is running it without any push whatsoever.
I'm typing this on my XP laptop, while sitting on the couch next to my wife who is on her XP laptop browsing the internet
.
I have four children which all have their own computers that run XP. XP runs BF2142, Fallout 3, Crysis... just fine and I have no intentions of switching them to Win 7. Why should I? XP works!
The biggest challenge Microsoft has in getting people to switch to Win 7 is the afor mentioned point. WIN XP WORKS!
I mentoned to my wife that I may put 7 on her desktop and she replied; NO! I'm not changing anything until it stops working.
Many people were scared when Vista came out. They thought that they were going to have to upgrade because there was a new Windows out there and that it wouldn't be long before features of XP were obsolete. When Vista flopped and manufacturers offered free downgrades to new computers that featured XP the masses became to realize that thier preconceptions of XP simply not working one day were unfounded.
That right there is Microsoft's biggest hurdle with Win 7; Win XP will not stop preforming it's magic for the masses just because a new release is out there.
I work for the Post Office and use a computer everyday and they have not even one computer running anything but Win XP! Many corperations are the same in this aspect.
I like Win 7, it's a great OS but it has it's bugs. First and foremost for me was evident from the first time I installed build 7200 about six months ago in the Betta trial. The hybrid sleep is screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to disable this feature in advanced power config to get the darn thing to run for more that 30 seconds after sleep. I spent many hours on this issue and could not resolve the problem. I'm not alone with this issue, there are hundreds of threads for this paticullar issue on many forums out there. There are also many other issues out there like having to get into the guts of the registry to tweek it so some pgms. will work. These apps worked fine on XP!
I don't see people flocking to the stores to upgrade thier hardware so they can install Win 7. With the Vista expirence under their belts, it's just not necessary and potentially a mistake in their minds. The average computer user now realizes they have a choice, and I believe their choice will end up being; Leave well enough alone! If it ant broke don't fix it! And many other age old euphamusms.
From a marketing standpoint, that's my two cents. Thanks for reading the rant. (I do like Win 7)
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
IceMicro
OS
6@Win XP 1@Vista (1@Win 7 (Mine))
CPU
AMD Phenom XII 550 Black 3.1Ghz Unlocked to 4cores at 3.1Ghz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-M790X-UD4P
Memory
4 (2 X 2) Gig OCZ Reaper DDR2 800
Graphics Card(s)
Gigabyte HD4670 1Gig DDR3
Sound Card
On Board
Monitor(s) Displays
Gateway 22" LCD
Screen Resolution
1650 X 1080
Hard Drives
WD SATA 3Gbs 500Gig
Hitichi SATA 3Gbs 500Gig
PSU
Coolmaster 560W
Case
NZXT
Cooling
Stock plus added case fans
Keyboard
Microsoft Egronomic
Mouse
Microsoft Wireless Laser 5000
Internet Speed
768K DSL
Lets face some facts here. Those of us that are interested enough to belong to forums such as this are in the top ten percentile of computer users. I'm running Win 7 X64 build 7600 on my desktop, I have plenty of space and my configuration is running it without any push whatsoever.
I'm typing this on my XP laptop, while sitting on the couch next to my wife who is on her XP laptop browsing the internet
.
I have four children which all have their own computers that run XP. XP runs BF2142, Fallout 3, Crysis... just fine and I have no intentions of switching them to Win 7. Why should I? XP works!
The biggest challenge Microsoft has in getting people to switch to Win 7 is the afor mentioned point. WIN XP WORKS!
I mentoned to my wife that I may put 7 on her desktop and she replied; NO! I'm not changing anything until it stops working.
Many people were scared when Vista came out. They thought that they were going to have to upgrade because there was a new Windows out there and that it wouldn't be long before features of XP were obsolete. When Vista flopped and manufacturers offered free downgrades to new computers that featured XP the masses became to realize that thier preconceptions of XP simply not working one day were unfounded.
That right there is Microsoft's biggest hurdle with Win 7; Win XP will not stop preforming it's magic for the masses just because a new release is out there.
I work for the Post Office and use a computer everyday and they have not even one computer running anything but Win XP! Many corperations are the same in this aspect.
I like Win 7, it's a great OS but it has it's bugs. First and foremost for me was evident from the first time I installed build 7200 about six months ago in the Betta trial. The hybrid sleep is screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to disable this feature in advanced power config to get the darn thing to run for more that 30 seconds after sleep. I spent many hours on this issue and could not resolve the problem. I'm not alone with this issue, there are hundreds of threads for this paticullar issue on many forums out there. There are also many other issues out there like having to get into the guts of the registry to tweek it so some pgms. will work. These apps worked fine on XP!
I don't see people flocking to the stores to upgrade thier hardware so they can install Win 7. With the Vista expirence under their belts, it's just not necessary and potentially a mistake in their minds. The average computer user now realizes they have a choice, and I believe their choice will end up being; Leave well enough alone! If it ant broke don't fix it! And many other age old euphamusms.
From a marketing standpoint, that's my two cents. Thanks for reading the rant. (I do like Win 7)
Okay...

First: A hardware upgrade is not needed to run 7...it has been ran on Pentium IIs and above with no issues. Drivers may be an issue but that is a fault of the manufacture not Microsoft

Second: When Windows 7 launched Oct. 22 it sold more than Vista or 7 did in the same launch period...the demand for 7 is higher than the other two.

Third: There was no build 7200...if you indeed ran one with that build number than it was a hacked copy

Fourth: Your issue with hybrid sleep IS A DRIVER ISSUE!!!!!!!!! This is not an issue with Windows. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE COMPREHEND THIS!!!
 
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My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Compal JFT02 (Custom Build Laptop)
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 2.5 GHz
Motherboard
JFT02
Memory
4GB Kingston DDR2-800
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT (512MB Model)
Sound Card
Realtek HD Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
WUXGA Standard Laptop Display
Screen Resolution
1680*1050
Hard Drives
Toshiba 320GB 5400RPM Laptop HD
PSU
Standard Laptop Power Supply
Case
Standard Laptop Case
Cooling
Standard Laptop Cooling
Keyboard
Standard Laptop 105 Key-Keyboard
Mouse
Synaptics Touchpad
Internet Speed
Verizion Online DSL 3360/864 kbs (dl/up)
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:

Is that Randall in disguise?
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self build
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
AMD Phenom II x4
Motherboard
Gigabyte 880
Memory
8GB
Graphics Card(s)
NVIDIA GeForce HD
Sound Card
Realtek HD Audio
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080
Hard Drives
2 x 1TB
PSU
Thermalake 550w
Case
XCase
Internet Speed
8MB
Okay...

First: A hardware upgrade is not needed to run 7...it has been ran on Pentium IIs and above with no issues. Drivers may be an issue but that is a fault of the manufacture not Microsoft

Second: When Windows 7 launched Oct. 22 it sold more than Vista or 7 did in the same launch period...the demand for 7 is higher than the other two.

Third: There was no build 7200...if you indeed ran one with that build number than it was a hacked copy

Fourth: Your issue with hybrid sleep IS A DRIVER ISSUE!!!!!!!!! This is not an issue with Windows. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE COMPREHEND THIS!!!


Your attempt at being a troll has being debunked

Zidane, mate, I'm sorry to disagree with you.

I thought that xzaviar actually wrote a well balanced, well argumented piece. (very readable too). :D

Some of his arguments were not completely correct, or based upon wrong conclusions, but to call the guy a troll for it, goes a bit too far IMHO.

He himself called it a rant, but if his piece constitutes a rant, a petty thief should get the death penalty. :shock:

I think he has a genuine point when he says MS will have a hard time selling W7 to the masses, partly because of Vista's bad name, and mostly because of "why upgrade if XP does everything you want?".

We obviously like Win7, but let's try not to take every comment on it so personal. ;)

Greetings
 

My Computer

OS
Win7 Build 7600 x86
CPU
Pentium II 300MHz
Motherboard
Asus
Memory
32mb EDO RAM
Graphics Card(s)
Diamond Viper
Sound Card
Soundblaster 16
Monitor(s) Displays
14" AOC CRT 16K color
Screen Resolution
800x600
Hard Drives
300mb Quantum fireball
PSU
110 Watts
Cooling
Passive
Keyboard
Trust Ergonomic
Mouse
Generic
Internet Speed
256K u 128K d
Okay...

First: A hardware upgrade is not needed to run 7...it has been ran on Pentium IIs and above with no issues. Drivers may be an issue but that is a fault of the manufacture not Microsoft

Second: When Windows 7 launched Oct. 22 it sold more than Vista or 7 did in the same launch period...the demand for 7 is higher than the other two.

Third: There was no build 7200...if you indeed ran one with that build number than it was a hacked copy

Fourth: Your issue with hybrid sleep IS A DRIVER ISSUE!!!!!!!!! This is not an issue with Windows. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE COMPREHEND THIS!!!


Your attempt at being a troll has being debunked

Zidane, mate, I'm sorry to disagree with you.

I thought that xzaviar actually wrote a well balanced, well argumented piece. (very readable too). :D

Some of his arguments were not completely correct, or based upon wrong conclusions, but to call the guy a troll for it, goes a bit too far IMHO.

He himself called it a rant, but if his piece constitutes a rant, a petty thief should get the death penalty. :shock:

I think he has a genuine point when he says MS will have a hard time selling W7 to the masses, partly because of Vista's bad name, and mostly because of "why upgrade if XP does everything you want?".

We obviously like Win7, but let's try not to take every comment on it so personal. ;)

Greetings
I called him a troll because...well...it was the first thing that came to mind:D:(:confused::mad::p:geek::o

Okay...I take the troll comment back...but my other comments were correct
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Compal JFT02 (Custom Build Laptop)
OS
Windows 7 Home Premium x64 - Mac OS X 10.6.4 x64
CPU
Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 2.5 GHz
Motherboard
JFT02
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4GB Kingston DDR2-800
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NVIDIA Geforce 8600M GT (512MB Model)
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Realtek HD Audio
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WUXGA Standard Laptop Display
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1680*1050
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Toshiba 320GB 5400RPM Laptop HD
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Standard Laptop Power Supply
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Standard Laptop Case
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Standard Laptop Cooling
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Standard Laptop 105 Key-Keyboard
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Synaptics Touchpad
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Verizion Online DSL 3360/864 kbs (dl/up)
Lets face some facts here. Those of us that are interested enough to belong to forums such as this are in the top ten percentile of computer users. I'm running Win 7 X64 build 7600 on my desktop, I have plenty of space and my configuration is running it without any push whatsoever.
I'm typing this on my XP laptop, while sitting on the couch next to my wife who is on her XP laptop browsing the internet
.
I have four children which all have their own computers that run XP. XP runs BF2142, Fallout 3, Crysis... just fine and I have no intentions of switching them to Win 7. Why should I? XP works!
The biggest challenge Microsoft has in getting people to switch to Win 7 is the afor mentioned point. WIN XP WORKS!
I mentoned to my wife that I may put 7 on her desktop and she replied; NO! I'm not changing anything until it stops working.
Many people were scared when Vista came out. They thought that they were going to have to upgrade because there was a new Windows out there and that it wouldn't be long before features of XP were obsolete. When Vista flopped and manufacturers offered free downgrades to new computers that featured XP the masses became to realize that thier preconceptions of XP simply not working one day were unfounded.
That right there is Microsoft's biggest hurdle with Win 7; Win XP will not stop preforming it's magic for the masses just because a new release is out there.
I work for the Post Office and use a computer everyday and they have not even one computer running anything but Win XP! Many corperations are the same in this aspect.
I like Win 7, it's a great OS but it has it's bugs. First and foremost for me was evident from the first time I installed build 7200 about six months ago in the Betta trial. The hybrid sleep is screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have to disable this feature in advanced power config to get the darn thing to run for more that 30 seconds after sleep. I spent many hours on this issue and could not resolve the problem. I'm not alone with this issue, there are hundreds of threads for this paticullar issue on many forums out there. There are also many other issues out there like having to get into the guts of the registry to tweek it so some pgms. will work. These apps worked fine on XP!
I don't see people flocking to the stores to upgrade thier hardware so they can install Win 7. With the Vista expirence under their belts, it's just not necessary and potentially a mistake in their minds. The average computer user now realizes they have a choice, and I believe their choice will end up being; Leave well enough alone! If it ant broke don't fix it! And many other age old euphamusms.
From a marketing standpoint, that's my two cents. Thanks for reading the rant. (I do like Win 7)
I completely agree with you. Its like if your old 14" TV which was bought in 1998, why would you buy the shiny 28" LCD TV? After all, the old TV still serves its purpose. :o
 

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Samsung NP530U4B-S02IN
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Windows® 8 Pro (64-bit)
CPU
Intel® Core™ i5 Processor 2467M (1.60GHz, 3MB L3 Cache)
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Samsung Electronics
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6GB DDR3 System Memory at 1,333MHz (on BD 4GB + 2GB x 1)
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AMD Radeon™ HD7550M 1GB DDR3 (Ext. Graphic)
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Realtek High Definition Audio
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35.56cm (14.0) SuperBright 300nit HD LED Display
Screen Resolution
1366x768
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1TB S-ATA II Hard Drive (5400RPM) with ExpressCache 16GB SSD
Internet Speed
sucks
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials
Browser
Google Chrome (Sync enabled)
First: A hardware upgrade is not needed to run 7...it has been ran on Pentium IIs and above with no issues. Drivers may be an issue but that is a fault of the manufacture not Microsoft

The odds of Win7 running well or even at all on a pentium II are very slim.
It has been done, but in most cases you'll end up with a lot of unrecognized hardware, and chances for drivers that work are slim.

You are right that in most cases manufacturers are reluctant to produce drivers for Win7 or even Vista.
They rather sell you new stuff.
But Microsoft has done it's fair share to make upgrading older hardware a daunting task.

The artificial barrier for graphics cards they have built to run Aero, is nothing short of ridiculous.
Any geforce 4 is more than capable of running Aero's transparency smoothly.
They run Vista's Aero without a glitch, but Win7's demand for 64mb, Directx9 and WDDM1.1 has rendered those cards useless for Aero.

And let's face it. If you are going to pay 199 bucks for Win7, you want to run it with all the eye candy.

Personally I think Win7's biggest opponent will be Vista, even if that sounds crazy.
Despite the negative comments on Vista, a lot of people made the switch and with SP2 it has actually developed into a mature and stable platform.
Most hardware finally have Vista drivers, and people can run aero without having to spend money on a new graphics card.

A well tuned XP system is nothing to be ashamed of.
If you are not a geek like us, why on earth would you spend money on a new OS, while the old OS is running fine on your older stuff?
Chances are you will be disappointed when you run into trouble with the drivers or other incompatibilities, and you end up bashing W7.

Second: When Windows 7 launched Oct. 22 it sold more than Vista or XP did in the same launch period...the demand for 7 is higher than the other two.
In case of Vista you're right.
In case of XP you are being mislead by the media.

The reason XP saw less global sales in the first weeks or even months,
especially in Japan, is because it took quite some time for it to be released in peoples native language.
Win7 is released with the languages already supported.

Just give it a year, and you'll see that Windows 7 will not beat XP in global sales.
From windows 98 to XP was one of the biggest steps in MS history,
because it was the first consumer OS that would be based on the corporate architecture.

With all due respect to Win7, (I love it to pieces), you could hardly call it a giant step from Vista, or even XP.

From a average user's or small business perspective, there isn't anything win7 can do that XP can't.
Burning CD's/DVD's, Office tasks, Internet, Email, Music production, Photo and Video production, CAD/CAM, you name it.
XP can do it equally well, and after SP2 and 3 it does it rock solid stable.

So Xzaviar may be more right than you think.

Fourth: Your issue with hybrid sleep IS A DRIVER ISSUE!!!!!!!!! This is not an issue with Windows. WHY CAN'T PEOPLE COMPREHEND THIS!!!
Probably because you are first one to tell him. :D

Greetings.
 

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Win7 Build 7600 x86
CPU
Pentium II 300MHz
Motherboard
Asus
Memory
32mb EDO RAM
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Diamond Viper
Sound Card
Soundblaster 16
Monitor(s) Displays
14" AOC CRT 16K color
Screen Resolution
800x600
Hard Drives
300mb Quantum fireball
PSU
110 Watts
Cooling
Passive
Keyboard
Trust Ergonomic
Mouse
Generic
Internet Speed
256K u 128K d
Win 7 is not perfect!!!

Seems that I started a firestorm. That wasn't my intent.
Sorry about the build 7200; Oops it was build 7100 direct from Microsoft along with a key provided by them and activated through them!!! That's the only comment I didn't much care for.
As far as the Hybrid sleep; I'm sure it's a driver issue, however it is cross platform and the mystery has not been solved. In a "Major Release" such as this, with the problem existing for as long as this has it is inexcusable. The Microsoft Techs in the forums from the betta testing could only respond time and time again with "it's a driver issue" and "we offer no support for betta software" blah, blah, blah..... All hype to me and the many others that have all the latest drivers, clean installs, latest hardware, and latest BIOS..... This should have been resolved by the billion dollar giant MICROSOFT. But alas they are not perfect and neither is Windows 7. It needs at least one service pack before I'll rate it anything better then very very pretty.
Remember, I really like Win 7!!!
Pentium II Get real, who on earth would run that config?;)
 

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IceMicro
OS
6@Win XP 1@Vista (1@Win 7 (Mine))
CPU
AMD Phenom XII 550 Black 3.1Ghz Unlocked to 4cores at 3.1Ghz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-M790X-UD4P
Memory
4 (2 X 2) Gig OCZ Reaper DDR2 800
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Gigabyte HD4670 1Gig DDR3
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On Board
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Gateway 22" LCD
Screen Resolution
1650 X 1080
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WD SATA 3Gbs 500Gig
Hitichi SATA 3Gbs 500Gig
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Coolmaster 560W
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NZXT
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Stock plus added case fans
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Microsoft Egronomic
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Microsoft Wireless Laser 5000
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768K DSL
Lets face some facts here. Those of us that are interested enough to belong to forums such as this are in the top ten percentile of computer users. I'm running Win 7 X64 build 7600 on my desktop, I have plenty of space and my configuration is running it without any push whatsoever. ...
From a marketing standpoint, that's my two cents. Thanks for reading the rant. (I do like Win 7)
I'm quite sure you drive your '92 Dodge or Volvo as long as you can find spare parts. I mean, why bother to get something new when the old one is still working. Who needs all this new crap, navigators and car entertainment systems when you can always stop, open the window and ask directions, singing yourself all the way.

About how much Windows Seven experience your wife had when she said no to Seven? I guess none. I guess she formed her opinion by listening experts like you.

I don't work for the postal services. Instead, I work as an IT consultant. Maybe that's why I hear something totally different than you. I have to tell you my colleagues and customers are keen and interested to be able to migrate, to upgrade to Seven. And why not? It is reliable, fast and when installed correctly it works like a dream.

Even my wife got Seven; she saw me installing this fabulous OS to my computers and was all the time asking when she can have it on her computers. Couple of weeks ago I finally installed it both on her laptop and desktop. She's happy, keeps telling me computing has never been so much fun. Sharing our printers and media at home has never been so easy than now, all computers running Seven.

Just my two cents...

Kari

P.S. Can't say it as good as my dear friend Dinesh:
I completely agree with you. Its like if your old 14" TV which was bought in 1998, why would you buy the shiny 28" LCD TV? After all, the old TV still serves its purpose. :o
 

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Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
HP ENVY 17-1150eg
OS
Windows 10 Pro x64 EN-GB
CPU
1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor
Memory
6 GB
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics
Sound Card
Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer
Monitor(s) Displays
17" laptop display, 22" LED and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI
Screen Resolution
1600*900 (1), 1920*1080 (2&3)
Hard Drives
Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media
Cooling
As Envy runs a bit warm, I have it on a Cooler Master pad
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Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth)
Mouse
Logitech Performance Mouse MX
Internet Speed
50/10 Mbps VDSL
Antivirus
Windows Defender 4.3.9431.0
Browser
Maxthon 3.5.2., IE11
My friends, we obviously love Win7, otherwise we would all have to get our heads examined. :D

But lets be careful to give people some room to post comments or complaints without executing them on the spot. :sarc:

I think Xzaviar had some valid and some less valid points, but even if he didn't, this is a discussion forum!!
We should try to convince someone with arguments and facts, and be open to discussion and even valid criticism.

I am worried about the way some of my good friends get really personal with their comments.

We can not state someone would rather stay with his old car until the parts run out, just because he has some criticism on Windows 7.
And we should not bring someones family into the discussion.

Xzaviar stated in every post he actually loves windows 7, and still he gets a bad treatment in my opinion.

The hybrid problem Xzaviar mentioned is a valid point of criticism, because it happens also with drivers that Windows downloads through updates,
and those are checked and signed by Microsoft before they are posted.

The fact this has been an issue ever since the 7100 build, and still isn't solved is at the least questionable.

Why shouldn't someone be allowed to make a negative comment about that?

Greetings
 

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OS
Win7 Build 7600 x86
CPU
Pentium II 300MHz
Motherboard
Asus
Memory
32mb EDO RAM
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Diamond Viper
Sound Card
Soundblaster 16
Monitor(s) Displays
14" AOC CRT 16K color
Screen Resolution
800x600
Hard Drives
300mb Quantum fireball
PSU
110 Watts
Cooling
Passive
Keyboard
Trust Ergonomic
Mouse
Generic
Internet Speed
256K u 128K d
I normally use about 13GB of disc space on my laptop (Windows + Office + ETC)

I can see you guys shuddering as you read this

Shuddering? Let's the drive with the 64bit RC still on it has 436gb used there and now after only about two weeks the drive with the retail 7 sees some 146gb used.

In total shock is more like it! "that much used already?! :eek: " :roflmao:

Now when looking back at XP I would have to say that attracted more bugs and saw more errors until MS finally came out with SP3 with the long await 1,000+ fixes! With a 3rd drive free I may setup another XP install for one older app as well as having that on as a reference install only since I have the extra space.

Vista saw a lot of vulnerabilities cleared out but a bit too much for many especially with older systems. Vista will replace the 64bit RC in due time and stay with this build. I still have a few XP clunkers onhand here I have to refurbish for student use. Besides being a much larger newer version it's folly was a total lack of initial support on many things.

For 7 MS decided to step upto the plate and start demanding driver support be available. But for those running old builds and older model desktops/laptops finding Vista drivers at least allows 7 there. 7 as far as gaming makes XP look like a loser since much has been improved in that area. But then you have to go by what does work for each.
 

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    PC/Desktop
    Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
    Custom builds = 2
    OS
    W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64/W11 Pro Triple Boot - Main PC W7 Remote PC Micro ATX W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Phenom II X4 975 Deneb 3.6ghz - 965 2nd remote pc
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4-Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 1.5v 16gb - Hyper X Fury 8gb 2nd
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 5750 1gb - MSI HD Radeon 6450 on mini tower
    Sound Card
    Creative Labs X-Fi Xtreme Audio P - Realtek onooard 2nd case
    Monitor(s) Displays
    ASUS VW199T-P 19" HP 2082a Main-HP 2082a 20" remote pc
    Screen Resolution
    Asus 1440x900 - HP 1600x900
    Hard Drives
    WD Black 1TB HD per OS W7, W10, and pending W11 presently on 500gb OS Drive - Pending Triple 1TB HDs for Spanned Storage/backup volume
    Single 2TB external USB enclosure, single 1TB System 7 Host/Boot drive, Pending 8TB external HD for system image b
    PSU
    Corsair 750TX - primary / Corsair CX600 - second
    Case
    Antec 900-2 - SSD compatible / NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Zalman CNPS9900A
    Keyboard
    AZIO L70 Backlit Letters Gaming - ONN Cordless/USB
    Mouse
    MSI DS200 Programmable, Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    30mbps upgrade - primary hard wired - mini tower usb WiFi
    Antivirus
    GFI VIPRE Internet Security 2014 on W7 2016 beta on W10,
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    Cyberfox, WaterFox 64bit FF variants, FireFox x64, Pale Moon
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    Accomdata fan cooled usb 2.0 PIDE/Sata II, III external enclosure.
    Sambient usb/eSata PATA/Sata II, III external enclosure.
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    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    CUSTOM ASSEMBLY
    OS
    W7 Pro x64/W11 Pro
    CPU
    AMD Deneb 3.6ghz - 965
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-880GM-D2H remote pc
    Memory
    Kingston Hyper X Fury 8gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    MSI HD Radeon 6450 DVI Output
    Sound Card
    Realtek onooard Creative or Other separate PENDING
    Monitor(s) Displays
    VIZIO 32" LCD TV Separate LCD Pending
    Screen Resolution
    1600x1080
    Hard Drives
    WD 500GB OS Host/Boot WD Green 1TB Storage/Backup
    PSU
    Corsair 600W - THERMALTAKE 600W spare case
    Case
    NZXT Vulcan mini tower
    Cooling
    Twin 120mm Top Fans - 240mm Side Cover
    Keyboard
    ONN Cordless/USB Logitech Cordless
    Mouse
    ONN USB/Cordless - Logitech Cordless
    Internet Speed
    DSL 5G
    Browser
    MS Edge, FireFox, WaterFox x64, FireFox Nightly
    Other Info
    OS Testing-Remote Access to Main TeamViewer
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