Windows XP Mode to be available for download

[Ronaldo]

lets hope MS make changes to allow CPU without AMD -V /Intel VT to use this.

 

[jimbo45]

Don't forget the whole point of this is to run really OLD legacy apps seamlessly from your Desktop. The VT feature whilst not really necessary to run 32 bit Guest VM's needs to be enabled for this application because of the "Seamless Integration" part so the Virtual PC actually has to run as a 64 Bit application in its own right.

There's nothing to stop you using other Virtual Machine software and creating your own VM's.

I would like it to be 32 bit colour as well but the 16 bit colour mode keeps the Virtual Machine requirements and overheads right down.

There's no point in running things like OFFICE / Internet explorer (although it will upgrade to IE8 via windows update) etc. on this type of VM. It's simply a "cut down" vm that will allow you to run as I said legacy apps.

Note also you won't get "Full Networking" in "Integration mode" I.e the VM won't appear in your network as a shareable machine.

However it will allow you to browse all the HOST machine's local drives and you CAN cut and paste files between your VM disk(s) and the local hard drives.

If you need more sophisticated VM's you have to use "Classical" VM software and "Roll your own" VM.

Later this weekend I'll explain how you can CREATE VM's that you can use with the FREE VMWARE PLAYER so you don't have to buy vmware workstation -- good but expensive.

However for the simple tasks I need the Compatability feature to do it does great.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[joostan]

Later this weekend I'll explain how you can CREATE VM's that you can use with the FREE VMWARE PLAYER so you don't have to buy vmware workstation -- good but expensive.

You can also download vmware server that is free as well, this will give you all the same functionality as vmware workstation plus you can create 64bit vm's (if running on 64bit main OS). Probably like yourself Jimbo45 I am a VCP so if you want a hand in writing some tuts let me know.

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there
Basically you use QEMU.EXE to create empty "Virtual Machine disk drives" in vmware format and use a configuration file to define your VM -- then you can use vmware player for your "Newly created" vm.

I'll give details later.

Using vmware server is a bit more complex.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[darkassain]

Hi there
Basically you use QEMU.EXE to create empty "Virtual Machine disk drives" in vmware format and use a configuration file to define your VM -- then you can use vmware player for your "Newly created" vm.

I'll give details later.

Using vmware server is a bit more complex.

Cheers
jimbo

good old qemu...
what id do is create it in Virtualbox and qemu it so it can convert it in vmdk...
but then again you can just create it in qemu so that defeats the purpose other than if you have the OS already installed in VB...

 

[murphy25]

well itried it but after installing it says system not supported,but i did read somewher that i need to turn something on in the bios but i havent a clue what,so how can i find out if my system will run this and if it can what do i turn on any ideas??

a seperate question does anybody know what this is and what its used for " Microsoft.Windows.Driver.Kit.for.Windows.7.Build"

 

[darkassain]

it is what it is...
its the driver kit to code for drivers for devices
its a DDK (Driver Development Kit...)

 

[murphy25]

so no good to the ordinary user then?

 

[Win7User512]

so no good to the ordinary user then?

If you have old games that don't run on Vista/Later.

 

[darkassain]

so no good to the ordinary user then?

if you dont know how code then no...

If you have old games that don't run on Vista/Later.

:sarc:
can you explain what you are trying to say...

 

[Win7User512]

if you dont know how code then no...


:sarc:
can you explain what you are trying to say...

Oh was he inquiring about developing software or drivers?

 

[darkassain]

Oh was he inquiring about developing software or drivers?

he was asking what this DDK is and if its any use to an end-user...

 

[Win7User512]

he was asking what this DDK is and if its any use to an end-user...

Oops, I thought he was querying about XP Mode (being useful to avg users).

 

[jimbo45]

Hi all.
"XP mode" is primarily designed for small to medium size business who can "gradually" replace older XP running hardware with newer hardware and continue to run their existing apps.

This way they don't a) have to replace a lot of PC's at the same time - expensive anyway but even more so when money is tight.

b) can continue to run existing applications until they are ready for an upgrade of their software which they can also do "in stages".

Since XP mode is intended more for businesses the VT feature won't be a problem since all new desktop (and most laptop) machines will have this now anyway.

If you need to run XP in a virtual machine on older hardware you'll have to use VMWARE (player, server or workstation) or VBOX, and you'll only be able to run 32 bit GUEST OS'es.

A lot of games / other stuff needing DIRECT X , Video acceleration. 3D mode won't work (currently) in a Virtual machine.

Some old games might but games are one area where a VM in general won't help you too much.

Any old legacy hardware such as scanners, printers, etc as well as old AUDIO type devices will work fine. Old Legacy "Office type" apps will usually work fine as well - even some old CAD pacakages should work.

As far as any API is concerned - unless you know how to program this stuff it isn't of any use to you DIRECTLY. However an application you are installing might says it needs it in which case install it.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Studulike]

Hi all.
"XP mode" is primarily designed for small to medium size business who can "gradually" replace older XP running hardware with newer hardware and continue to run their existing apps.

This way they don't a) have to replace a lot of PC's at the same time - expensive anyway but even more so when money is tight.

b) can continue to run existing applications until they are ready for an upgrade of their software which they can also do "in stages".

Since XP mode is intended more for businesses the VT feature won't be a problem since all new desktop (and most laptop) machines will have this now anyway.

If you need to run XP in a virtual machine on older hardware you'll have to use VMWARE (player, server or workstation) or VBOX, and you'll only be able to run 32 bit GUEST OS'es.

A lot of games / other stuff needing DIRECT X , Video acceleration. 3D mode won't work (currently) in a Virtual machine.

Some old games might but games are one area where a VM in general won't help you too much.

Any old legacy hardware such as scanners, printers, etc as well as old AUDIO type devices will work fine. Old Legacy "Office type" apps will usually work fine as well - even some old CAD pacakages should work.

As far as any API is concerned - unless you know how to program this stuff it isn't of any use to you DIRECTLY. However an application you are installing might says it needs it in which case install it.

Cheers
jimbo

Well I have a new laptop of only 3 weeks or so and that won't work as at the time of buying didn't think I needed to check for VT compatability. I have a T5750 processor that I actually did think was compatible but was wrong.
Really would have liked to use this. Will havve to stick to desktop PC to install it now. That thankfully has a Virtulisation option in the bios so should be fine.

 

[damoh]

Wow cant belive my Core2Duo cant run this!

 

[swarfega]

Did it refuse to install it?

 

[damoh]

Installed but then wont start giving the dreaded, cannot start due to hardware virtualization.

My system aint exactly the slowest thing in the world lol

 

[PotatoMan83]

mine wont work either. I think there is a bug to be honest

 

[FreakyFerret]

Potato, you're running a Celeron 575. It's not even listed on the Intel site of active processors. It also only runs at 2.0 ghz. I'm pretty sure your processor does not support hardware virtualization. That is a requirement of using XP Mode.

Damoh, you don't list your processor model, but using this chart, I would guess you have the E7200. That chip doesn't support hardware virtualization either. I was about to order 10 new desktops for work. I had the quotes ready and was about to send it off. That day, XP Mode (and its requirements) were announced. I was going to get the E7400 processor in them. I immediately ordered a new quote with E8400 chips instead.