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07 May 2012   #1150
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

This may have been noted elsewhere in the tutorial, but I didn't see it. Anyway - these are minor issues.

The WinEditMail.zip file contains a registry file that helps reinstate Windows Mail.
I perused it before running and found two things that I changed.
  • The recently used addresses
  • Rules - they are German in the file, I changed them to English
The reg file used to change these two is shown below.
Again - these are minor and might have been noted elsewhere.

Quote:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; --------------------------------
; Remove MRU Addrs - WinMail
; --------------------------------
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Recently Used Addresses]
"MRUList"=""
"a"=-
"b"=-
"c"=-
"d"=-

; --------------------------------
; Change German to English
; --------------------------------
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFA]
"Name"=-"Alle Nachrichten anzeigen"
"Name"="All news"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFB]
"Name"=-"Gelesene Nachrichten ausblenden"
"Name"="Hide read messages"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFC]
"Name"=-"Heruntergeladene Nachrichten anzeigen"
"Name"="Downloaded messages"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFF]
"Name"=-"Ignorierte/gelesene Nachrichten ausbl."
"Name"="Ignored / read messages"



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08 May 2012   #1151
grits

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

@endeavor, I haven't given up, just had to give my mind & body abit of a break, have a couple health issues that I was over taxing. Also need to study up some & see if I can try to understand where I went wrong sooo many times in this process. I tried again & failed on Sun. 5/6.

Thanks again.
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08 May 2012   #1152
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Slartybart View Post
This may have been noted elsewhere in the tutorial, but I didn't see it. Anyway - these are minor issues.

The WinEditMail.zip file contains a registry file that helps reinstate Windows Mail.
I perused it before running and found two things that I changed.
  • The recently used addresses
  • Rules - they are German in the file, I changed them to English
The reg file used to change these two is shown below.

Again - these are minor and might have been noted elsewhere.

Quote:
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

; --------------------------------
; Remove MRU Addrs - WinMail
; --------------------------------
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Recently Used Addresses]
"MRUList"=""
"a"=-
"b"=-
"c"=-
"d"=-

; --------------------------------
; Change German to English
; --------------------------------
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFA]
"Name"=-"Alle Nachrichten anzeigen"
"Name"="All news"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFB]
"Name"=-"Gelesene Nachrichten ausblenden"
"Name"="Hide read messages"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFC]
"Name"=-"Heruntergeladene Nachrichten anzeigen"
"Name"="Downloaded messages"

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Rules\Filter\FFF]
"Name"=-"Ignorierte/gelesene Nachrichten ausbl."
"Name"="Ignored / read messages"


Hi Slartybart,
Interesting and good catch in your perusing...
The issue though with you removing your a, b, c, d like that because if it's after the fact and you do it, it removes only the current placeholder of that key, iow, if in WM one had emailed with numerous people after the original reg merge and then you delete those 4 keys "a"=- thru "d"=- with your reg ...you're only removing the current placeholder since the others may have moved down the a-z list in their respective order. The correct way to remove them after the fact is to manually do it from your registry. Any new users that install WinMail from now on and use the new WinMailEdit.reg I've attached to this post will not have this problem. I've also removed the dozen redundant "Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00" entries that were scattered within since we only need one at the beginning!

Also Slartybart on your Change German to English ditty, nice peruse btw, but it is to know that even if you merged it originally with the German text like it was, Windows 7 'will' revert it to English after a WM restart anyway, confirmed, and so there is no need for you to change it like you have. Actually after testing it I've found out that even if you typed in complete gibberish in those \FFA \FFB \FFC \FFF registry keys and merged it, and it appears to take, however the next time you open WinMail it automatically reverts to what was hardcoded from MS. At first yes I did think it mattered, but after actually testing it showed me it does not matter what text is put in those particular keys, it will be reverted. I've edited my post.

Anyway fwiw besides the "Recently Used Addresses" entries noted but also the German text entries too, both of which seemed to have been introduced in 2009 on post 159 and then later mirrored in post 292, but it does not matter at all though who inadvertently included these minor issues since we're just appreciative for Everyone's hard work on this entire project over the years, thanks to everyone for that.

Attached is a revised/updated WinMailEdit.reg with these changes above fixed which includes having changed the German to English text entries (even if only for visual reg esthetic value), and also have removed many of someone's personal email addresses value data store from the auto-complete address store key "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail\Recently Used Addresses" that was inadvertently introduced by the source in the beginning of this project that the links above point to; fyi, you don't see their addresses while editing the original WinMailEdit.reg file unless you convert the data, otherwise you can see it pop up as you type within the "To:" field of your email and you just happen to start with their name ..anyway those emails all have been removed now as it should be. Also has been added the registry change from post 1160 which found the problem since 2009 for some users that had Windows Mail missing from the default programs listing and they could not set Windows Mail as the Default Mail Program - the registry entry to fix that problem is now included in this revised WinMailEdit.reg...

This should now be used in place of the first page tutorial one, or in the EKMantis automated download, in both cases just replace those WinMailEdit.reg files with this one attached below.

WinMailEdit.reg
(Removed Attachment since it's now included in the new tutorial)
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12 May 2012   #1153
grits

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Was hoping to post 'yippie,got it done' because last evening while just looking through different areas of my PC I came across Windows Mail listed in the Set Default Programs in Control Panel but was too tired at that point to concentrate so put off until this morning. So I figured (wrongly of course) the first thing to do before I even click on the Windows Mail short cut still on desktop from my last several tries, would be to go ahead & set it as default but then when I went back to desktop the short cut was gone!, as were a couple or so other areas that I'd seen it listed.
Again am too beat to concentrate on going any farther right now so will get back to it in morning.
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12 May 2012   #1154
Sammy888

Windows 7
 
 

My windows mail works now, yippee. lol
Is the junk mail settings rendered impotent? Even though I select the mail is not junk mail, it still moves it to it. I know I can create a rule as a workaround.
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13 May 2012   #1155
Slartybart

x64 (6.3.9600) Win8.1 Pro & soon dual boot x64 (6.1.7601) Win7_SP1 HomePrem
 
 

I'm fairly certain that "not junk mail" is a per item function. You either need to add the sender to your contacts, safe sender's list, or, as you said, build a rule.

I know safe sender's list is present after you reinstate WinMail. You can see the list in Junk Mail options, l, but I'm not sure if it is functional.

Peace!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sammy888 View Post
Is the junk mail settings rendered impotent? Even though I select the mail is not junk mail, it still moves it to it. I know I can create a rule as a workaround.
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13 May 2012   #1156
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Sammy888 View Post
My windows mail works now, yippee. lol
Is the junk mail settings rendered impotent? Even though I select the mail is not junk mail, it still moves it to it. I know I can create a rule as a workaround.
On the main WM GUI (not an email GUI) you go to the top tab of Tools> Junk E-mail Options> and in here you have many settings you can make - and so check all the many different settings within all tabs in there to see if anything is your problem. I personally have mine checkmarked on the first first tab and first selection which is to Turn it Off, but your needs may vary.

One of a number of caveats using WM on 7 is that you are not 'automatically' able to update the junk filter definitions anyway and so they are old as it is, nevertheless the original ones will still follow the mindset of its time period if you have it turned on. I personally just leave it on Off.
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13 May 2012   #1157
endeavor

Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 (x86/x64)
 
 

Hi Slartybart,

Hey thanks for the work and willing to be of help, thanks.

Just a couple of things as I look things over, if you're open to discussion?

~If you want to fix an 'inactive' typo - search for mso32 in your xtra3264wm.bat
~also in it, search .\subinacl ...what purpose is the .\ ?

~I see what you're thinking with your xtra3264wm.bat, I just don't think ? that 64 also uses the 32 version msoe.dll in it's own folder too?...but I understand your thought. Maybe ask someone who has Windows7 64 bit to delete the msoe.dll out of their 86 folder and see if it still starts...? (...you set it HSA so the norm won't see it, not many are norm here though and can get quite curious <g>)

~ just some coffeetable tidbit talk, I've not yet had to unblock a file on 7 Pro or Ultimate, but perhaps in the Home versions of 7 with their security settings the way they are, you need to? ..Pretty sure there is an automatic batch entry you can make to unblock for them "if appropriate" Unblock files (Batch Process) ...but in either case both issues make it more complex. I see Brink has a topic on unblocking too... I wish I had a Home version around so I could check some things like that, as well since grits has the Home version, specifically if the Home version has problems with permissions and perhaps needs to install SubInACL.exe to get on with it.

~ a tidbit on tut, when reading Tut Offline, concerning "cd %USERPROFILE%\Downloads\Tut_ReWinMail\" ...the way you have those lines highlighted prevents a 'copy' on it, the point is for a newbie to type in those commands by hand without making a mistake is a tall order, whereas using the online post itself you can copy/paste into the command box ...just talkin outloud tryin to be helpful is all since you included the Tut in the zip, someone will be more likely to use/read that, rather than your actual post which there you can copy... but speaking of all that though.. ..You know, thinking, as it was originally intended, it might be Easier to have them just double click the ..bat itself, that way there's no entering in all this info, just d-click the ..bat and go...?

~I see you redid all the bats to help while it runs to be more informative in what it's doing, you spent some time doing that. <smile>
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14 May 2012   #1158
grits

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

Thanks endeavor for still keeping me in mind . Darn, I wish I understood the posts between you & Slartybart .

And I wish there was someone running Home Premium that had success using the batch by EKMantis that would come on board so I'd 'maybe' get a better idea as to whether it's maybe not just that I'm illiterate, maybe something with the way my machine is set? One reason I wonder is that while I was reading the above posts I left the machine for several minutes to take a phone call & when I came back, my screen was black like normal after setting idol for a bit, but this time it took me several tries of moving my mouse before it 'woke up' to the screen so I could post. Actually, I really do wonder if I have something set wrong in IE9 but that's for a different forum.
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14 May 2012   #1159
grits

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1
 
 

When I decide to try Slarty's new batch, should I first delete all the folders & files I still have from EKMantis batch? For one thing I'm such an airhead that I'd be afraid of getting mixed up as to who's who. Also wondering if either of you read my post # 1221 & if you know why that happened?

Also, if I remember right, it seems like over the past several days that any folder/file where I click 'Properties', just under 'Open', it says 'Take Ownership'. Does that mean that I was further along in the Mantis batch than I realized?
S'cuse me, I'm probably not making any sense here & am going to have to skip things for today at least, I had to double up on one of my meds & am kinda (more than normal) foggy headed. Will check back tomorrow. Besides that it kinda looks like you 2 are still ironing out a couple things.
Thanks again to both endeavor & Slartybart.
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