Windows Mail


  1. Posts : 27
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       #1810

    @endeavor

    If you and your friend were both using the same email client with the same settings, you would be fine.

    Thank you for your reply. I've considered making those changes on my end, but I have to be honest. My friend is older than I am, and I am older than dirt. I'm not sure I could get her to do the same. One of her sons actually takes care of any computer problems and/or upgrades and patches that need to be done. I'm certain he would not be interested in using this "special" version of Windows Mail; and I'm not interested in using Outlook or Windows 10.



    I have felt pretty sure that any "fix" of the problem between our emails would be on me, but I thought I'd give it one more chance. OE Classic is okay and it will serve my purposes. But I truly will miss the beauty of Windows Mail.
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  2. Posts : 313
    Vista/Win7/8/10/11 (x86/x64)
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       #1811

    Honestly it does not matter if she uses the same client as you, I should not have said that.
    Even if she does not make any changes, but as long as YOU do and Send to her in Plain Text, then her Outlook client is set to automatically reply to any sender (you) in the same format as it is received in, and so then, in your case then the problem is solved = just send to her in Plain Text.
    You asked a question, I gave you the answer, proceed to make the 2 sec option change. You can put it back any time you want. Or if you want to leave yours default HTML for all else, then just for her after your create your email, do what it shows in screenshot #3 and change that message format, to Plain Text.










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    Last edited by endeavor; 21 Mar 2021 at 14:35.
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  3. Posts : 27
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
       #1812

    endeavor said:
    Honestly it does not matter if she uses the same client as you, I should not have said that.
    Even if she does not make any changes, but as long as YOU do and Send to her in Plain Text, then her Outlook client is set to automatically reply to any sender (you) in the same format as it is received in, and so then, in your case then the problem is solved = just send to her in Plain Text.
    You asked a question, I gave you the answer, proceed to make the 2 sec option change. You can put it back any time you want. Or if you want to leave yours default HTML for all else, then just for her after your create your email, do what it shows in screenshot #3 and change that message format, to Plain Text.

    Thank you! I may just try it on my end now that you've explained that this should fix the problem on "her" end even if she does nothing to her settings.
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  4. Posts : 49
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64
       #1813

    Reload Win Mail


    Hello to All,
    I ran the latest batch file on an old Windows 7 computer. It looked to
    work fine, but I am having problems with encoding, blocked images, Message in HTML, and Text Size.
    From the main window if I click on VIEW/ Encoding, the program will shut down.
    Also some emails will not display images. I have spent considerable time checking settings.
    I ran the latest batch file again and no help.
    Is there any way to do a fresh reload? Or any suggestions.
    Thanks,
    Don
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  5. Posts : 313
    Vista/Win7/8/10/11 (x86/x64)
    Thread Starter
       #1814

    Donz said:
    I am having problems with encoding, blocked images, Message in HTML
    Also some emails will not display images
    Hi Donz,

    Remember you should save your original settings after your WinMail is all setup the way you want, and you can export that from regedit @
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail
    ..and then you can use (merge) that reg on each successive new install for convenience.
    It contains All Settings for the WinMail GUI Layout ..all Tools> Options Settings, Columns, Rules, etc.
    Heck I barley remember all those GUI settings myself, don't want to, and so when installing on a new WinMail installation I just merge my backup reg and it's done.

    But if doing for the first time without a backup, then individually of course as far as your Images and HTML, that would be most likely from this setting: screenshot:
    Windows Mail-securitysettings.jpg


    As far as text size there a a few places, like from the top tab View> Text Size ...small to large
    Otherwise you can set others in Tools> Options> Send ...and you see you have text settings in there too.
    When you have WinMail fully setup the way you want to, always always make a backup of all your GUI settings, and of course of your message store folder too as outlined in WinMail Backup/Restore Procedures (scroll down to see the heading) ..which are on the Errata page for Win7 Here
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  6. Posts : 49
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64
       #1815

    endeavor,

    Thanks for the reply.
    The check mark in the photo above was one of the first places I looked.

    Is there any way to do a fresh reload?
    Or any suggestions, as I don't have a backup of the Windows Mail .reg file. (mine may have problems)
    I do have copies of original Windows Mail folders from ....Program Files..., and X86.. Before the batch file was run.
    Thanks,

    Don
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  7. Posts : 313
    Vista/Win7/8/10/11 (x86/x64)
    Thread Starter
       #1816

    Donz said:
    Is there any way to do a fresh reload?
    Do you mean everything in WinMail totally back to day one as if the the OS was just fresh installed, starting from WinMail scratch? ...Yes there is a way and depending on your skill level, but I'm not going to tell you to do that since it is drastic and I don't want to be responsible if you don't get it, that by deleting that entire folder registry key mentioned, and the entire MSF (neither touches any program/system files) ...so that when you start WM up it's like the first time on a fresh install of the OS and WM recreates itself registry anew, and with having no accounts, no settings, emails, nothing and just a stock MSF ..and you have to set WM up totally from scratch again. Do you really need to do that? Backup that registry key and the MSF first, because if your issue is with something else: other program, malware, whatever, then it'll be all for nothing since it won't fix it - and it takes a long p.i.t.a while to set everything all up in WM again to your liking.
    Why not just do a System Restore to the day before it broke, but speaking of what broke Donz, you really are not giving enough information as to what's wrong, so show screenshots of each of your problems and explain in better detail please. Besides it's so easy to do a System Restore, or better yet restore a backup partition image to the last time you created one from when it was working fine

    I do have copies of original Windows Mail folders from ....Program Files..., and X86..
    x86 folder? ...well you know that x64 users never touch or use that other folder there called: ''Programs Folder (x86)'' Work is only done in the "Program Files\Windows Mail" folder only, besides there is nothing in there before or after running the batch, that is going to cause your problem with html or images since as you know running the batch with typing the line (yours is x64 bit right) ..win64mail... then file-wise it only swaps out the 64bit version of the msoe.dll in the correct folder. Did you do something else? Did you change files out in that ''Programs Folder (x86)'' by mistake, or the standard folder, or did something else? Explain all of what you did Donz

    From the main window if I click on VIEW/ Encoding, the program will shut down
    That's a first, and I don't get that at all without knowing what was done on this computer you are talking about... seems there is more to this?
    Is this Your computer Donz? Please explain more details
    Again, show screenshots of each of your problems and explain with full better details for good communication please.
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  8. Posts : 49
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64
       #1817

    endeavor,

    First of all I would like to thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. It is appreciated beyond words.

    Regarding my issue, the check mark above was the first thing that I looked at along with many other settings.
    Strange thing, when I check and uncheck that box It doesn't trigger an Apply?

    The two attached photos show what's grayed out. Main window and message window.
    Windows Mail-main.jpg

    Windows Mail-message.jpg
    Another strange thing is that I started up an old Vista laptop to verify my so-called problem, and what I found was that the issue existed on it as well. (the original WM) Same stuff grayed out. Same thing when I click on grayed out Encoding, An error message/shutdown of WM, or a restart.
    This stuff may have existed forever and it's just that I never paid attention to it. The only reason that I did now was I couldn't view some email images within the message. Just a placeholder. (Both Thunderbird and Gmail show images normally)
    Could this be a Windows Update thing? Or something unknown.
    Yes, I was considering a total reload of WM, and/or a total reload of Win 7.
    Now, I'll just leave things alone and probably keep looking for some setting that is preventing images in some email messages.
    It would be interesting to know if there are any other users of WM that would encounter a shutdown and/or a restart of WM when Encoding is clicked on the main WM window.

    Thank You AGAIN for your help.
    Don
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  9. Posts : 313
    Vista/Win7/8/10/11 (x86/x64)
    Thread Starter
       #1818

    Your welcome Donz, and thank you,


    Strange thing, when I check and uncheck that box It doesn't trigger an Apply?
    That Apply button will only work if your setting in that Security tab with the first two check boxes ...it must be set to the Restricted Zone, Not Internet Zone, or it wont work and the apply button is grayed out. Okay.


    The two attached photos show what's grayed out. Main window and message window.
    That's all normal though and is suppose to be like that, and those items only come bold and clickable when you change your setting to accommodate. In other words, for instance, Messages in HTML is only grayed out because you do not have in Tools> Options> Read (set to) In Plain Text, then, if you have a HTML message highlighted, then that option "Messages in HTML" will be now clickable, and will allow you to override that setting and view that particular HTML message showing in plain text, it will auto toggle it to HTML.

    This will be the answer for most things you are asking here, you just need to familiarize yourself with how to use them in the context of their point of purpose.

    Another strange thing is that I started up an old Vista laptop to verify my so-called problem, and what I found was that the issue existed on it as well. (the original WM) Same stuff grayed out.
    And so it's not a problem as explained above.


    Same thing when I click on grayed out Encoding, An error message/shutdown of WM, or a restart.
    Now this is a problem, Okay, so I just booted Win7/Win8/Win10/Win11 all in x64 bit, and the encoding button on all of them is clickable, without error!

    The fact that you have Thunderbird installed and its settings is a question mark for me, as I said in the Errata Bug List other clients could change/conflict with how WinMail operates; however having said that, and the fact that your Vista x64 is doing the same thing, and I assume you mean without Thunderbird being installed on Vista? Yes? No?....well if it's not then that gets me to ask you: "If you transferred your Windows Mail Programs folder from your Vista x64 directly to your Windows 7 x64?
    If you say yes? ...then I may have a suggestion for you, since I use a different version of WinMail x64 than you do and mine works, so I would have you swap out that programs folder with the one I have for Windows 8 x64, Here
    You would download the "(x64)WM_ProgramsFolder.zip" attachment to replace your whole "Program Files\Windows Mail" folder. ..but you'll have to Take Ownership of the 'whole folder' first in order to delete and replace it, and so you will follow only Steps 3, 4, 5, 6 on that Post #1 there. Yes some things are 100% compatible from that tutorial there with here, and some are not. fwiw, the Backup & Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3 there is also very important to all WinMail users to understand.
    There was an issue with HTML back in 2014, Here ...but I would think because your encoding click is crashing on your Vista you say too? I'm not sure if this would apply, and also if IE11 and beyond is the better browser installed, even if you do not have it set default, since you see this browser update is really integrated throughout. Not sure what you have.
    Also make sure you never touched anything in your Windows Mail "Programs Folder (x86)'' folder! ..if you did put it back original Stock from virgin install.
    ___________________________

    Now, as far as some emails showing up with that X placeholder, and WinMail being older, with some of later mail formats which some businesses use to send email, for instance in TNEF formatting will cause that, although for me and my use so far it's rare; however as a matter of fact just last week the wife got an email notice for some online purchase she made, and the confirmation email had some parts of the mail having x's in it. I immediately forwarded that email to her expendable yahoo email account, and sure enough the email x images showed properly. I did not investigate further since I've seen this a few times before like with other WinMail users contacting me with acknowledgments, that when they've received emails from businesses with MS Exchange users who sometime inadvertently send in MS's proprietary TNEF formatting, and any attachments (even images) sent with the original message that neither Windows Mail nor the old Windows Live Mail can decode all by itself. There are no provisions within it them to do it. Yes, some webmail services like Outlook, Yahoo, and Gmail can decode them, but not WinMail. Yes third party software add-ons can but I'm not getting into that here. I have no plans on investigating further at this point because this is a known, but as always I'll keep my thoughts open to note the commonalities of those specific instances.
    Last edited by endeavor; 16 Jul 2021 at 12:51.
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  10. Posts : 49
    Windows 7 Home Premium 64
       #1819

    Finished


    endeavor,

    " "If you transferred your Windows Mail Programs folder from your Vista x64 directly to your Windows 7 x64?"
    NO, I did not.
    I never touched anything in my Windows Mail "Programs Folder (x86)'' folder!"

    ....her expendable yahoo email account, and sure enough the email x images showed properly." Same for me.. Fwd to Gmail and works fine.

    Endeavor, I think we did all that we can. I'm running a bit better regarding those placeholders for some unknown reason. Maybe clicking and re-clicking?I think we can call this Finished.

    Thank You for all your help.

    I have another question regarding a friend's Win 7/64 WM issue, but I will post separately.

    Don
    Last edited by Donz; 28 Jul 2021 at 09:02.
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