The most SECURE browser?

Callender · May 29, 2014

Aviator update available

Aviator has released an update:

Aviator Free Download

I haven't checked it out yet. Will run an update check via Aviator update check in scheduled tasks.

EDIT: Downloaded and installed but version number is reported as 33.0.1750.117 (2.0)

Softpedia states version number is 34.0.1750.117 (2.0) release date May 30th, 2014 but that's not the version that installs by running the downloaded installer!

exitPr0gram · May 30, 2014

Callender said:
Aviator has released an update:

Aviator Free Download

I haven't checked it out yet. Will run an update check via Aviator update check in scheduled tasks.

EDIT: Downloaded and installed but version number is reported as 33.0.1750.117 (2.0)

Softpedia states version number is 34.0.1750.117 (2.0) release date May 30th, 2014 but that's not the version that installs by running the downloaded installer!

Hey again.

Sucks i was reading the news before getting ready for work. If I'd have seen this I'd have went through aviator and updated it since they fixed it in the last release.

Sounds like the latest version of Chrome itself maybe that's what they are basing it off of? I know chrome current version, if I'm not mistaken, is 34.x.x.x

Thanks for the update.

UsernameIssues · May 30, 2014

Chrome is:
35.0.1916.114 for production users
36.0.1985.32 for beta testers
37.0.2008.2 for developers

Which makes me wonder if Aviator will always be several security fixes behind.

Back in April, Chrome Update Includes 31 Security Fixes | isssource.com

exitPr0gram · May 30, 2014

UsernameIssues said:
Chrome is:
35.0.1916.114 for production users
36.0.1985.32 for beta testers
37.0.2008.2 for developers

Which makes me wonder if Aviator will always be several security fixes behind.

Back in April, Chrome Update Includes 31 Security Fixes | isssource.com

I knew it was somewhere around there...

But i would imagine that Aviator would be adding there own security fixes in their updates since it's merely based off of Chrome/Chromium. I'll check a change log or something when I get more time.

robinb9 · May 30, 2014

i am not a fan of chrome, seems everyone of my clients who have used chrome wound up with something bad. Since I removed Chrome and put Firefox on they have been clean so far

exitPr0gram · May 30, 2014

robinb9 said:
i am not a fan of chrome, seems everyone of my clients who have used chrome wound up with something bad. Since I removed Chrome and put Firefox on they have been clean so far

Firefox most attacked browser

EDIT: "While the IE, Chrome and Safari Web browsers were all attacked and exploited at Pwn2Own, the most exploited browser at the event in terms of the total number of new zero-day exploited that were publicly demonstrated was Mozilla Firefox."

There are things called FUDs (Fully undetectables). Just because they feel like they are safer... Doesn't mean that they are. If a browser is easily compromised then it probably means its an easier route to slip in an FUD

But to each his own.

Aviatorguy · May 30, 2014

Hey all,

First of all, thanks for the kind welcome here. Secondly, because I see posts regarding an Aviator update I feel my input could help here. Aviator's just been updated for the Mac build, in a measure to repair some corrupted files that were popping up in version 2.0. Nothing new for the Windows one (and I'm just guessing, I could be wrong here, but the Windows one is probably the one with more interest on this site), though a code sync with Chromium 35 is coming soon. For details about updates and such check out our release notes: https://updates.aviatorbrowser.com/releasenotes.txt . This should show what's new and what's been changed when an update's been released. Hope this helps!

exitPr0gram · May 30, 2014

Aviatorguy said:
Hey all,

First of all, thanks for the kind welcome here. Secondly, because I see posts regarding an Aviator update I feel my input could help here. Aviator's just been updated for the Mac build, in a measure to repair some corrupted files that were popping up in version 2.0. Nothing new for the Windows one (and I'm just guessing, I could be wrong here, but the Windows one is probably the one with more interest on this site), though a code sync with Chromium 35 is coming soon. For details about updates and such check out our release notes: https://updates.aviatorbrowser.com/releasenotes.txt . This should show what's new and what's been changed when an update's been released. Hope this helps!

Thanks! Your input is more than welcome. Especially in this thread

robinb9 · May 30, 2014

I still like firefox , i do not use it by itself, i have no script, wot, and add blocker addons installed

Mcgluke · May 30, 2014

Firefox still has the community behind it Unlike google, also check out Seamonkey, I use Iceweasel mainly. Curious about this Aviator but still a bit young i think. You browser is not the main vuln you face, User knowledge is the best defense/offense. Computers are only as strong as their user!

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases

Each to their own

ThrashZone · May 30, 2014

Not sure what you mean about the Chrome community not being behind Chrome ?
Read some interesting revolutions

Most people that use Chrome love it and could care a less about any privacy issues most people have with it ?
Cheers.

Iceweasel some of the names are just funny :roflmao:

Callender · Jun 6, 2014

Another tracking method

Callender said:
exitPr0gram said:

A Guy said:

Perhaps they are trying to make the fingerprint less unique?

https://panopticlick.eff.org/

A Guy

Click to expand...

UsernameIssues said:

Pale Moon warns me thusly...
View attachment 319437
...while Aviator happily takes me there without warning.
(I know/trust EEF - having followed their work for more than a decade via RISK digest.)

Unfortunately, Aviator fails EFF's test:
View attachment 319436

Click to expand...

I performed the https://panopticlick.eff.org/ test on both my Chrome Browser and Aviator browser. I'm not sure how to determine which ones more secure:

That one is Chrome.

And this one is Aviator...

How am i to tell the difference? What's good what's bad, etc? Did Chrome do better than Aviator?

Click to expand...

Well if you look at the "One in x browsers have this value" heading:

Aviator on your machine shows 1 in 197847 in your attachment

Chrome shows 1 in 11703

Basically - a low number is better.

So if you're visiting a website using Aviator only 1 in 197847 visitors to that site will have the same browser configuration as you - and if using Chrome 1 in 11703 visitors.

So it's all down to how many regular visitors a website has. On the figures shown Aviator makes you more identifiable as a repeat visitor to any particular site as it's a little used browser.

Amongst visitors using Chrome - you'd really need to know how many other visitors have the same browser configuration to get an idea of how identifiable you are using the browser fingerprinting method.

The aim is to identify repeat visits versus unique visits even if a user has changed their ip address and disabled cookies and any trackers.

It's not really much cause for concern but it's certainly possible to use a random user agent string for each site visit if you're paranoid!

Etag Tracking - apparently not used by Panopticlick.

I've also known about tracking users via the use of Etags for some time now and when using any browser I tend to try to find ways to stop this from happening. That's not because it's a huge concern but just because if it's possible to block it then I see no disadvantage.

Today I found a site that can be used to test if your browser is trackable via the Etag method.

https://ochronus.com/tracking-without-cookies/

There's some interesting info. With Etags blocked in my browser each visit or page refresh results in the site visit counter remaining at 1.

If I unblock Etags it records each subsequent visit.

Screenshot: [Etag - Enabled] means Etag blocking enabled.

Callender · Jun 6, 2014

Aviator vs Etags

Since this thread is about Aviator it's only fair to test it.

It passes the test. I don't even see a page visit count.

https://ochronus.com/tracking-without-cookies/

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