Snow Leopard v. Windows 7

[pestbest]

One reason I'm sticking with Windows is because I play games. In a Mac, Games are released way later than they should compared to Windows. And yes, I'm probably one of the very few people who own a Macbook but use Windows as their primary OS.

 

[TechOutsider]

I see W7 as what Vista could and should have been – I believe it’s finally a legitimate successor to Windows XP.

Who cares about Windows 7? I bet ReactOS will be released by the time Microsoft stops issuing Windows XP security updates.

 

[bigseb]

lmao... mac versus ms... again...

I prefer windows simply cos I know it'll do the job I want it to... too many hassles with both mac and linux...

Ultimately macs only constitute 11% of the market... gee I wonder why...

 

[MorbidGod]

The most stupid thing i hear theese days is people talking about bootcamp, and running xp/vista on Macs. Why the hell not save 1500 dls and just a buy a pc, and then run windows??

On other hand i hear too about people who tested Vista on MACS, and saying its awfull. How in the hell someone wants to run vista ( memory hog and aero) on crappy graphics devices and the cheapest memorys on the market?

 

[djfirestorm]

Benjamine hit the nail on the head. It is a good os, I am not disputing that, nore do I hate it. My issue is it is so limited. I know what you are saying about games, and it is true, but MAC won't even make it an option. It's the fact that they won't try to give everything a customer needs, they just want to make the fanatics and MS haters happy. Their customer satisfaction is narrow minded, thats it. You can't argue that. Yes it does have its places, and you may have issues with windows, but at least MS is trying to meet the needs of everyone, not just a narrow select industry.
Mac has done nothing other than tweak their OS. Windows 7 has gone far to improve and enhence. Yes Mac has developed longer, but what have they done? It is still basically the same thing with different version numbers! What is amazingly new with OS X and what is innovative? Nothing, its an updated clone of the previous OSX. Im not trying to discourage the use of it or argue its ability to do what it dies, it just lacks the use for the larger computer market (universities/research do not count as they have their own custom build stuff anyways, they just got a kick back from mac to make their stuff for OS X only...like school funding and that stuff).

BTW, reguarding the ability to run it on your PC based computer...be aware, it can alter your BIOS and F up your computer...DO NOT TRY IT ON NVIDIA. I understand Gigabyte has better support. What common mobo would you suggest. I still use it for customers who want it. So again to get this clear, I am not opposed, I would just like more functionability for EVERYONE from OS X.

 

[jw12345]

Benjamine hit the nail on the head. It is a good os, I am not disputing that, nore do I hate it. My issue is it is so limited. I know what you are saying about games, and it is true, but MAC won't even make it an option. It's the fact that they won't try to give everything a customer needs, they just want to make the fanatics and MS haters happy. Their customer satisfaction is narrow minded, thats it. You can't argue that. Yes it does have its places, and you may have issues with windows, but at least MS is trying to meet the needs of everyone, not just a narrow select industry.
Mac has done nothing other than tweak their OS. Windows 7 has gone far to improve and enhence. Yes Mac has developed longer, but what have they done? It is still basically the same thing with different version numbers! What is amazingly new with OS X and what is innovative? Nothing, its an updated clone of the previous OSX. Im not trying to discourage the use of it or argue its ability to do what it dies, it just lacks the use for the larger computer market (universities/research do not count as they have their own custom build stuff anyways, they just got a kick back from mac to make their stuff for OS X only...like school funding and that stuff).

I'm not sure at any point in your post that you actually laid out what OS X limits you with software-wise, besides that most games aren't available for the platform (though some pretty heavy-hitters have started to come.) Each new version of OS X has added a significant handful of large features (spotlight, time machine, dashboard, automator to name a few) along with lots of tweaks but also a lot of application apis that developers can take advantage of to make their program very snazzy and hook into the Apple apps, unlike anything seen on any other platform. I love OS X, the iPhone, and even the ******* child mobileme, because I'd rather pay a couple bucks extra here and there so I don't waste time screwing with computers and getting all the software components to play nice. And while MS has been busy stripping out components of their OS to make it seem simple, Apple has been piling on tons of bundled programs, which, imagine this, are actually really really good!

And tons of people couldn't care less about video games.

 

[djfirestorm]

Sounds to me you have personal issues with a little pleasure. Do you sleep at night, or are you always so serious you don't have time for that either?

BTW It has been scientifically proven that games increase your left-right brain synapses ... which not only improves your coordination, but also makes you smarter. By that I mean modest time playing the odd game. I am not talking about being an addict, just having the option to enjoy life once in a while...which is also proven to increase your life span. What is the point in working working working and buying another computer to simply work even more? Computers are an asset to my job, without it I can't work, but I also can use the money I spent to have a little joy in my work tool. You work to only work some more...and dude, you seriously should sit back once in a while and relax...if you don't your only going to die sooner and very very unhappy!

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

BTW, reguarding the ability to run it on your PC based computer...be aware, it can alter your BIOS and F up your computer...DO NOT TRY IT ON NVIDIA. I understand Gigabyte has better support. What common mobo would you suggest. I still use it for customers who want it. So again to get this clear, I am not opposed, I would just like more functionability for EVERYONE from OS X

Not unless you are installing Boot 123, which replaces your BIOS with one that resembles one found within a Mac computer.

EFI-X does not alter your BIOS, it actually just tricks your MoBo into thinking it has the correct BIOS required to boot a retail copy.

As for those 'patched OS X' distros, those do not alter your BIOS in any way, shape or form.

 

[jw12345]

Sounds to me you have personal issues with a little pleasure. Do you sleep at night, or are you always so serious you don't have time for that either?

BTW It has been scientifically proven that games increase your left-right brain synapses ... which not only improves your coordination, but also makes you smarter. By that I mean modest time playing the odd game. I am not talking about being an addict, just having the option to enjoy life once in a while...which is also proven to increase your life span. What is the point in working working working and using a computer for more working? You work to only work some more. Dude, you seriously should sit back once in a while and relax...if you don't your only going to die sooner and very very unhappy!

You're overreading into what I wrote. Most people don't care about video games. They really don't. I never said 'Gamers are losers' or whatever. After a certain age, many people get too busy to play games much or lose interest in shooting 3d men in the face. Or they have fun doing other things not on a computer. But thanks for your concern for my mental health.

The point is pc gaming itself is a niche, and most people don't play games enough for that to much affect OS choice. I play a game every few months or so, but it's only once a year or so that I want to play a game on a desktop that is exclusive to PCs. Playing a video game is pretty low on my 'fun list'.

 

[segobi]

tested the latest snow leopard copy from wwdc and it looks and feels exactly like my previous 10.5.7 install... no advantage here.

 

[djfirestorm]

Ok, just making sure you weren't being bias about gamers lol. But anyways, about OS X, what is the best way to go about running it on a PC based mobo...are those EFI-X sticks better? Strange about those patched dvds, I have tried a few on a mobo that was compatible, and it messed up the bios, I ended up RMAing it. Fortunatly they sent me a new one lol. Is EFI-X also easier, because some mobos dont support those patched dvds at all. Would the EFI-X stick go around that? I have a buddy that wants to dual boot both OS X and Windows 7, and his mobo does not work with the patched version...all I get to is the Grey Apple logo and it hangs. He has an ASUS Maximus II Formula, Q6600, and a GTX 260. EFI-X work with that?

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

Ok, just making sure you weren't being bias about gamers lol. But anyways, about OS X, what is the best way to go about running it on a PC based mobo...are those EFI-X sticks better? Strange about those patched dvds, I have tried a few on a mobo that was compatible, and it messed up the bios, I ended up RMAing it. Fortunatly they sent me a new one lol. Is EFI-X also easier, because some mobos dont support those patched dvds at all. Would the EFI-X stick go around that? I have a buddy that wants to dual boot both OS X and Windows 7, and his mobo does not work with the patched version...all I get to is the Grey Apple logo and it hangs. He has an ASUS Maximus II Formula, Q6600, and a GTX 260. EFI-X work with that?

EFI-X and Patched DVD's only work with a limited amount of hardware, any hardware that works with OS X is fully compatible (obviously) and some hardware that is simular (based on same or similar drivers/kexts) will work as well.

They have compatibility lists and I highly doubt you messed up your BIOS unless you did something wrong.

My laptop works fine with iDeneb 10.5.7 aside from the resolution which is 1024x768 (native is 1280x800) other then that all my hardware works fine.

In response to your question about your friends computer, and EFI-X why don't YOU go look and compare yourself?

http://www.efi-x.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=112&language=English

 

[jw12345]

Almost everybody gets stuck on the grey apple logo. What you have to do is play with boot flags to get error messages and go from there to find out what kexts or kernel patches you need. It takes a lot of work for some people, but most hardware if you put in the effort will work reasonably well, if not perfectly

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

Almost everybody gets stuck on the grey apple logo. What you have to do is play with boot flags to get error messages and go from there to find out what kexts or kernel patches you need. It takes a lot of work for some people, but most hardware if you put in the effort will work reasonably well, if not perfectly

Have you tried different kernels? I kernel panic unless I use VooDoo kernel + seatbelt fix.

 

[MorbidGod]

Its sad to see that most people fail to know that a sig setup to run extreme games, can handle almost everything else, even if you dont like games. Its things like higher gpu/cpu/memory clocks and fast hard drives that state the OS speed, not the oposite.
I work more than i play on my rig, and thats because the lack of time, i dont see games as something negative, its been proved that it can extend your multi-tasking capabilitys between other areas.
And no, its false that most of the people dont care about games, theres lots of independent game developers that sell 1 million copy of the game in one year, like cd-project for example. Call of Duty 4 is still being played by nearly 100.000 players every night. Not to mention about rpg´s online.
And also i think that if really OSx can handle faster than windows 7, in machines with 333mhz memory´s and low-buget gpu´s (many macs still have it) well, than it must be really the most perfect Os in history.

 

[jw12345]

Have you tried different kernels? I kernel panic unless I use VooDoo kernel + seatbelt fix.

Hanging isn't the same as kernels panicking. Most people get hanging their first few tries, some gets it 30-40 times before it works.

@MorbidGod: that fact is that most mid-range computers on the market are plenty powerful for most users. These behemoth machines carry a range of downsides (louder, bigger, power hungry). We're at a point where form factor or UI are more important than raw power for the average Joe. If that wasn't the case, most people wouldn't be buying laptops and netbooks as their primary computers.

And, of course, games are widely played. But that's not the same as saying most people play pc games enough to impact their os choice. ~15% of game sales are for the PC. I don't have a percent, but I imagine the amount of dedicated pc gamers is a pretty small market. I personally know maybe 2 people who play PC games to any significant amount. It's a niche.

I don't know if anybody in this thread has claimed that OS X is inherently faster than 7. (although the ui does FEEL snappier and you don't keep relaunching programs like in 7, so their are some advantages to the os x model)

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

Hanging isn't the same as kernels panicking. Most people get hanging their first few tries, some gets it 30-40 times before it works.

Still, have you tried different kernels?

 

[jw12345]

Still, have you tried different kernels?

Mine's working pretty much perfectly, I'm just saying most people get that "stuck on apple" problem, it doesn't mean that the hacked disk won't work. It's different than kernel panicking. I just had to find the right kexts and mine works fine.

 

[Iknewitwin7]

Just to clear things up, OS X Snow Leopard 'can' work on a 32-bit Intel Processor and 'can' use 32-bit kext's, yes?

No, that's why it will require an Intel based Mac, they left the PowerPC to die

 

[Dark Nova Gamer]

No, that's why it will require an Intel based Mac, they left the PowerPC to die

Yeah but some of their intel based mac's are not 64-bit compatible.