I am utterly dissapointed with Microsoft...

[marsmimar]

But it's funny you know, everytime something gets fixed on this machine, a new problem comes up. First were the faulty ram, then was the faulty hard drive, then again another faulty ram, then came the drivers, then came a faulty windows installation and now comes high ºC CPU....

Just read the quote to drive off evil from your computer!

I figure it couldn't hurt

A Latin Exorcism

It's non-denominational - safe for everyone!

Source: http://www.psifly.com/cr2/index.php...6sfggm9q2okd1&topic=18608.msg140931#msg140931

 

[gregrocker]

Try using IE9 to do the same things then watch for spikes.

Simultaneously watch the temps at these exact times so you know if heat and your old CPU paste is the first suspect to be tackled.

Turn off all Startup items except AV (which is what?) in msconfig, then on it's Services tab select Hide all MS Services and uncheck all but AV, reboot, check back several times for intruders. You now have a clean boot.

 

[ArgentineBoy]

Try using IE9 to do the same things then watch for spikes.

Simultaneously watch the temps at these exact times so you know if heat and your old CPU paste is the first suspect to be tackled.

Turn off all Startup items except AV (which is what?) in msconfig, then on it's Services tab select Hide all MS Services and uncheck all but AV, reboot, check back several times for intruders. You now have a clean boot.

Jesus Christ....now im noticing weird things again.

Ok, when I first started after CLEAN ALL and reformat, I told the ATI OVERDRIVE to lower the frequencies of the GPU and manually set the GPU fan to 30%....there were no changes this morning (7:39 AM)....now I come, 5:28 pm, and I see (look image).

Ok, OMFG, right now I had a BSOD with "fault_no_paged_area". Thankfully Google saved my text. my machine started a CHKDSK on its own but I canc

OAKSONjagFA, ANOTHER BSOD AFTER 2 MINUTES, this time "PFN_LIST_Corrupt".

Firma con problemas:
Nombre del evento de problema: BlueScreen
Versión del sistema operativo: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.768.3
Id. de configuración regional: 3082

Información adicional del problema:
BCCode: 4e
BCP1: 00000099
BCP2: 000C68C5
BCP3: 00000000
BCP4: 000C75C5
OS Version: 6_1_7600
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 768_1

Archivos que ayudan a describir el problema:
C:\Windows\Minidump\101811-27534-01.dmp
C:\Users\GelbenHaus\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-36691-0.sysdata.xml

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Im going to upload both minidumps.

THIS OBVIOUSLY HAS TO DO WITH ATI DRIVERS, NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT, IT MAKES SENSE:

-WHEN I USED TO INSTALL THE DRIVERS FROM THE CD; THERE WERE NO BSODS, ONLY FREEZES
-NOW THAT I DOWNLOAD THE DRIVERS FROM THE NET, THERE ARE BSODS, AND NO FREEZES!

Ok, this is also weird, Windows is starting to "Undo" things I've done. For example, before first BSOD, the Google Chrome icon was attached to the task bar, now, after second BSOD, it's gone.

Look, Windows Security Essentials updates "have gone" and its disabled.

I cant add Minidumps to ZIP or RAR, even changing owner and "total control". I cant ***** understand, it says "You dont have administrator privileges" WTF? IM AN ADMINISTRATOR ! Managed to get past it by copying both files, and pasting the copied files into the zip

Great, this seems to be a bad joke, remember what I told you about windows going FUBAR and files/icons missing? well, take a look at the third image,Windows Explorer is now missing in action :shock:

WHAT'S WORSE, WHY AFTER SEVERAL RESTARTS THE BSODS ARE GONE?!?! WHY THE MACHINE IS DOING THINGS I DIDNT TOLD IT TO DO??, IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE!

Sorry If Im being rude, but after spending 1400 dollars (and counting) on the PC and then seeing it break down its something which you cant easily handle...specially if you take into account, that I've never managed to run this machine for one month without problems.

EDIT:Gahhh, take a look again at those page errors...

 

[gregrocker]

Please post the minidumps to the Crashes sub-forum using this format: Blue Screen of Death (BSOD) Posting Instructions - Windows 7 Forums

Some of our smartest people are there and will give it a fresh look for you.

 

[mjf]

Since everything is apparently going wrong and the exorcism is looking like an option - can you get your hands on another PSU and just swap it over for a while? Fluctuating voltages could cause your observed problems.
....maybe you've tried this and I missed it.

 

[ArgentineBoy]

Since everything is apparently going wrong and the exorcism is looking like an option - can you get your hands on another PSU and just swap it over for a while? Fluctuating voltages could cause your observed problems.
....maybe you've tried this and I missed it.

Geez, I dont have any other PSU available. I live 30km away from my Hard provider and right now its closed.

Again, if it is a faulty PSU, how come, after several restarts, it works fine?

Im thinking the guys over at the tech provider just turned on the computer and ran some casual tests, nothing serious, maybe that's the reason behind them saying 4 times the same "No, we didnt stumble across anything, its 100% fine".

Well, they also mentioned something about voltage here in my area. San Miguel, Buenos Aires is known to have spikes (lights sometimes go a little bit dim and then return to normal).

 

[Darkelk]

Is there any chance they could stress test the system for you? see what they come across and think? Just by looking at all those issues, Personally I would just go with a new build or test each individual part.

 

[gregrocker]

You have tested the RAM for 5-6 passes and run maker's HD diagnostics extended CD scan, correct?

Run this test of mobo next: CPU - Stress Test with Prime95 - Windows 7 Forums

 

[mjf]

Since everything is apparently going wrong and the exorcism is looking like an option - can you get your hands on another PSU and just swap it over for a while? Fluctuating voltages could cause your observed problems.
....maybe you've tried this and I missed it.

Geez, I dont have any other PSU available. I live 30km away from my Hard provider and right now its closed.

Again, if it is a faulty PSU, how come, after several restarts, it works fine?

Im thinking the guys over at the tech provider just turned on the computer and ran some casual tests, nothing serious, maybe that's the reason behind them saying 4 times the same "No, we didnt stumble across anything, its 100% fine".

Well, they also mentioned something about voltage here in my area. San Miguel, Buenos Aires is known to have spikes (lights sometimes go a little bit dim and then return to normal).

Geez, I honestly don't know if you're being funny or serious. I know PSUs don't grow on trees and like your problem their failure mode isn't black and white.

 

[ArgentineBoy]

Since everything is apparently going wrong and the exorcism is looking like an option - can you get your hands on another PSU and just swap it over for a while? Fluctuating voltages could cause your observed problems.
....maybe you've tried this and I missed it.

Geez, I dont have any other PSU available. I live 30km away from my Hard provider and right now its closed.

Again, if it is a faulty PSU, how come, after several restarts, it works fine?

Im thinking the guys over at the tech provider just turned on the computer and ran some casual tests, nothing serious, maybe that's the reason behind them saying 4 times the same "No, we didnt stumble across anything, its 100% fine".

Well, they also mentioned something about voltage here in my area. San Miguel, Buenos Aires is known to have spikes (lights sometimes go a little bit dim and then return to normal).

Geez, I honestly don't know if you're being funny or serious. I know PSUs don't grow on trees and like your problem their failure mode isn't black and white.

Sorry, but I thought that in the United States and Europe they had hardware providers everywhere, wish the same happened here

Is there any chance they could stress test the system for you? see what they come across and think? Just by looking at all those issues, Personally I would just go with a new build or test each individual part.

I've been thinking the same. You'll see, everytime we decided to take the PC to the hard provider (technician) my father took it, so I dont know how he explained the problems to them. Guess One of these days I'll have to join him and tell everything to the technicians. But for sure they wont be happy....it would be the 5th I take the machine to them....

You have tested the RAM for 5-6 passes and run maker's HD diagnostics extended CD scan, correct?

Run this test of mobo next: CPU - Stress Test with Prime95 - Windows 7 Forums

Yes, Diagnostics, Memtest, OCCT, Prime95, all passed without erros.Right now, I dont think about making any stress test, I dont want to fry my CPU. Idle stands at 50 and peaks to 70' when browsing, I dont wanna know what happens under full stress. I'll make the test as soon as I get the thermal compound (tomorrow or Wednesday)

Guys, you'll wanna take a look at this...remember those random CHKDSK's at start? Well, I found how to disable them here in W7 forums...the first step told me to run the command CHKNTFS *Hard Drive*.....and....well....surprise!

Really, this is an insult, why earlier CHDKSK tests showed no errors or problems and now they come up with errors?

If you dont understand spanish, it says that C: is damaged and there are bad sectors...

 

[Darkelk]

If you have results or proof of evidence with what's been going on, take that with you when you see them so they know what to look for.

 

[ArgentineBoy]

If you have results or proof of evidence with what's been going on, take that with you when you see them so they know what to look for.

Yes, you're right, I'll take photos and save all these screenshots in case they dont seem to notice anything.

Right now im going to test the HD again with the Western Digital Data Lifeguard.

 

[gregrocker]

Again run the WD DIgital LIfeguard extended test

Then run a full Disk Check with both boxes checked.

Have you done the clean reinstall yet? Did you wipe the HD? WD CD can do this for you.

If you notice the heat building too much then I'd wait until the CPU is repasted before doing much more.

 

[ArgentineBoy]

Have you done the clean reinstall yet? Did you wipe the HD? WD CD can do this for you.

If you notice the heat building too much then I'd wait until the CPU is repasted before doing much more.

I did the Clean Reinstall with "writing zeros-clean all command-wipe clean the hard drive" yesterday.By the start of page nº3, the clean reinstall was already done. All the problems that have come up since the start of page nº3, are with clean reinstall.
RIght now, the extended HD extended test is halway done.

 

[gregrocker]

It's hardware. Work with the Crashes forum to analyze your minidump file.

Then if you need further help start a new thread in Hardware forum with the problem concisely stated in your title, since this title likely annoys many of the senior experts who could help you most.

 

[ArgentineBoy]

It's hardware. Work with the Crashes forum to analyze your minidump file.

Then if you need further help start a new thread in Hardware forum with the problem concisely stated in your title, since this title likely annoys many of the senior experts who could help you most.

Yeap, I've thinking the same.

Finished the Extended Test....it came out with a PASS. No errors

This is too confusing....

Ok, anyway, thanks for all the help you've given me.

 

[gregrocker]

Don't give up, just use the resources we have that are best suited to get this solved: first analyze the Crash minidump thoroughly and work through those findings, then tap the Hardware experts.

You can post back here any time but this forum is mainly for Updates and Activation experts. I would ask the Mods to move the thread to Hardware but I think the title will get you less help than if you post fresh with very concise title and briefing of issues.

 

[Thorsen]

Since everything is apparently going wrong and the exorcism is looking like an option - can you get your hands on another PSU and just swap it over for a while? Fluctuating voltages could cause your observed problems.
....maybe you've tried this and I missed it.

Geez, I dont have any other PSU available. I live 30km away from my Hard provider and right now its closed.

Again, if it is a faulty PSU, how come, after several restarts, it works fine?

Im thinking the guys over at the tech provider just turned on the computer and ran some casual tests, nothing serious, maybe that's the reason behind them saying 4 times the same "No, we didnt stumble across anything, its 100% fine".

Well, they also mentioned something about voltage here in my area. San Miguel, Buenos Aires is known to have spikes (lights sometimes go a little bit dim and then return to normal).

Think of it like a car. when you first start it it is cold etc. Well with power supplies it is like this too only in another way.

The transistors inside the PSU hold a certain charge and when used continuously they dont show any errors, but when you first start your computer you are flooding the whole PSU and Motherboard and all components with electricity. This is when BSoD's are most prone to happen with a failing PSU.

The other is after long amounts of use. the PSU starts to wear down and the components that can fail eventually do. If you see BSoD's on startup two or three times then a normal start the the culprit is usually the PSU. It could still be the Motherboard, but most times its the PSU.

I think you are seeing a Sag in electric current and it is not as dangerous as a spike, but can still cause BSoD's too. You can get something like this: http://www.buy.com/pr/product.aspx?sku=224357564&sellerid=33250433

to see what your voltage is doing. Also if this is the problem, then an easy solution is to get a UPS (Uninterrupted Power Supply). That will provide a consistent voltage for the computer when the power spikes or sags.

LIke this: http://www.buy.com/prod/cyberpower-...lcd-series-1000va-600-watt-ups/204694862.html

(I dont usually shop at Buy.com...just thought It would give you an idea of what to look for)

 

[ArgentineBoy]

Since everything is apparently going wrong and the exorcism is looking like an option - can you get your hands on another PSU and just swap it over for a while? Fluctuating voltages could cause your observed problems.
....maybe you've tried this and I missed it.

Geez, I dont have any other PSU available. I live 30km away from my Hard provider and right now its closed.

Again, if it is a faulty PSU, how come, after several restarts, it works fine?

Im thinking the guys over at the tech provider just turned on the computer and ran some casual tests, nothing serious, maybe that's the reason behind them saying 4 times the same "No, we didnt stumble across anything, its 100% fine".

Well, they also mentioned something about voltage here in my area. San Miguel, Buenos Aires is known to have spikes (lights sometimes go a little bit dim and then return to normal).

Think of it like a car. when you first start it it is cold etc. Well with power supplies it is like this too only in another way.

The transistors inside the PSU hold a certain charge and when used continuously they dont show any errors, but when you first start your computer you are flooding the whole PSU and Motherboard and all components with electricity. This is when BSoD's are most prone to happen with a failing PSU.

The other is after long amounts of use. the PSU starts to wear down and the components that can fail eventually do. If you see BSoD's on startup two or three times then a normal start the the culprit is usually the PSU. It could still be the Motherboard, but most times its the PSU.

I think you are seeing a Sag in electric current and it is not as dangerous as a spike, but can still cause BSoD's too. You can get something like this: Buy.com - GFCI & Receptacle Tester

to see what your voltage is doing. Also if this is the problem, then an easy solution is to get a UPS (Uninterrupted Power Supply). That will provide a consistent voltage for the computer when the power spikes or sags.

LIke this: Buy.com - CyberPower 9-Outlet Intelligent LCD Series 1000VA 600 Watt UPS

(I dont usually shop at Buy.com...just thought It would give you an idea of what to look for)

Man, you guys are great.

Ok, I'll do the following. First check the minidumps and see what's inside them. Then, after (hopefully) seeing what's going on with the BSOD I will decide whether to take the machine again to the technicians or not. IF I decide to take it, I'll go with my father and explain them very carefully what has been happening and ask them to test every component of the computer.

I guess this will take more or less 2 weeks, as right now my pop is out of the country Hope to get the machine right in time to play BF3 online and to do those history works without trouble .

Right now, these components are ruled out due to extensive research and tests:
-Hard Drive is perfect
-Ram Is perfect (also managed to test them individually, ON COLD BOOT, they didnt show any error).
-CPU is perfect (Extensive OCCT and Prime95 tests).

So....these things are the only things left:
-The ATI RADEON HD5850
-The PSU
-The motherboard.

The last 2 ones will be easy to replace, as here in Argentina we got an official thermaltake provider and there's a company which is specialized in repairing faulty MOBOS.

The only thing that would be a pain in the 455 would be the HD5850....having to RMA it to the 'States and then wait for the answer takes like 1 month.

Hope you find like 100 dollars on the street or in any other place, you deserve them for helping so much people!
EDIT: Checked their page (http://www.mothersolution.com.ar/) and there's something quite funny:

Primero deberia descartar cualquier problema de software. Si asi lo hizo y continua el problema, podría ser el motherboard.

01.- La PC no apaga
02.- La PC se apaga
03.- Windows no inicia
04.- Windows falla luego de una instalación (Windows is faulty after fresh install).
05.- La PC se tilda o reinicia (PC crashes or BSODS).
06.- No funciona la red
07.- No funcionan los puertos de mouse o teclado
08.- No funcionan los USB
09.- Puertos bloqueados

Number 04 and 05 are the things that are happening to me...

 

[gregrocker]

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