Windows 7E will you buy it?

[knuckles84]

Personally I will be buying whatever I get offered on July 15th by Amazon.co.uk ........

ok if you buy it at amazon.co.uk you got an English version, what I need to. The price is 49x (€,£,$ whatever). But because of the Price fro me it is more interesting to buy at Amazon.de (there is no .lu), because in € it is cheaper, and amazon.de do not ask transport to luxemburg. But I will not an German version. If I buy a German version and download an English, will than my Serial work for activation?? (with Office 2007 it works flawless that way, perhaps someone has made the experience with VISTA)

 

[ikilledkenny]

I think that in the end, there shouldn't even be a Windows 7 E. It's just stupid of the EU to take a small company's side because their browser sucks.

Besides, it's not MS's fault. More people use Firefox than IE.

 

[wysiwyg]

besides, it's not ms's fault. More people use firefox than ie.

oops.!

 

[txpg]

Because I'm in China.

 

[Kari]

Nothing against IE, I´m happy to get it and happy when I don´t get it. It´s just that I´ve used FF as long as I can remember so I do not need it.

But I think we are forgetting something important in this W7E-issue. Of course EU´s decision sucks, IE is an integrated part of Windows and should of course come with the installation packet.

But behind this for us so interesting decision is a bigger principal issue. These laws in EU are designed to give consumers more choice with less cost. An example: when a big European airline company wants to buy another big European airline company, EU probably says NO WAY if the new companys market share would be too big. They think if somebody has too big marketshare, this company could use it´s position to force smaller companies out of business thus getting free hands to raise prices and dictate everything. More competition equals lower prices, that´s one of the main principals in capitalism.

This antitrust legislation gives EU no choice. If it is used (like many times in recent years) against airlines, retailers, media corporates and such, they had to use it against MS when the complaint was made.

Personally I have to add I am maybe not so EU critical than some other users of this forum. As a citizen of one EU-country, living in another EU-country and working in a couple more EU-countries, I see the benefits of this system daily, both in my privat and business life.

This is a personal opinion. It is not meant to offence anybody nor it is meant to be an absolut fact. Like I said, it is just an opinion.

 

[RellikZephyr]

i was going to buy it ...yes

until i found out they are jacking up the prices here in australia

so now its a profound NO

why should i pay more just because i dont live in the fabled US of A

no offence but stupid americans

RellikZephyr

 

[Andy Carr]

Yes and for the reduced price.

I use IE and put up with the EU's strange ways

 

[Mercurial]

View attachment 17593

oops.!

60 percent of the people using IE don't know how to download and install apps

 

[wysiwyg]

60 percent of the people using IE don't know how to download and install apps

Pull the other one.

 

[Orbital Shark]

I voted an emphatic NO. I will not be purchasing Windows 7 E, for several reasons:

1. First and foremost is because Windows is a Microsoft product, and Microsoft therefore has the right to decide what they will or will not include in their own products. Nobody has the right to dictate what can and cannot be done to something that does not belong to them.
2. If Microsoft must remove IE from Windows, then Apple must remove Safari from OSX, and all the various flavors of Linux must also not include a browser.
3. If the browser competition really does not like the majority share of IE, then they need to get their acts together and improve their products in order to begin providing browsers that actually do work better than IE. IE is the better choice not because of bully or monopoly tactics - it's the better choice because it's the better product.
4. Windows 7 E will probably not be available in South Africa...

It all comes down to this:

A society that puts equality ahead of freedom will end up with neither. - Milton Friedman (1912 - 2006)

Agreed.....100%, Well put

 

[ikilledkenny]

60 percent of the people using IE don't know how to download and install apps

Hey Grandpa, I heard you turned on the computer yesterday!

/I actually said that to him. Not mockingly, I was seriously proud for him.

 

[Kari]

EU slams Intel with record $1.45 billion fine

This antitrust legislation gives EU no choice. If it is used (like many times in recent years) against airlines, retailers, media corporates and such, they had to use it against MS when the complaint was made.

Another example of this antitrust legislation in our beloved EU. Intels second quarter result was almost $400 million in minus because of the EU antitrust fine of $1.45 billion they had to pay two months ago.

MSNBC about the fine, May 13, 2009

 

[petrossa]

Still the fat lady didn't sing yet: Microsoft faces more EU anti-trust probes - V3.co.uk - formerly vnunet.com

 

[Kari]

Still the fat lady didn't sing yet: Microsoft faces more EU anti-trust probes - V3.co.uk - formerly vnunet.com

It seems there´s no end to this in sight.

 

[swarfega]

Just pre-ordered professional

 

[knuckles84]

pre-ordered 3x Home Premium

 

[Lordofminor]

I think I will get VLC keys for Professional version..

 

[Nil Einne]

This was not brought on by big American companies, but a small Norwegian one that has a crappy browser, the EU dictators didn't need to listen to then (just like they don't listen to the public)

Actually while Opera may have initated the complaint, both Google and Mozilla joined in. The European Commision does need to enforce the laws, and if MS was abusing their monopoly in violation of EU law, as they have found to be doing in the US, the EU, South Korea and Japan, then the European Commision needs to take action. And that's even if they don't receive any complaint. (Note that despite what some people seem to think, Norway is not part of the EU, even though they are bound by most European law as they are part of the European Economic Area)

Let's not forget Microsoft was nearly split up in to two by the US. And Microsoft are perfectly entitled to challenge the decision if they believe it has no merit. The reason they haven't is likely because they know they are breaking the law.

BTW, the reason why Apple does not have these problems is because as much as many of us may dislike Apple (I certainly do) they do not have a monopoly so not surprisingly, they've never been found of abusing their monopoly position. If Apple did have a monopoly position you can bet your ass they would be investigated in multiple countries for their practices.

 

[Nil Einne]

   Warning

If you do not download an Internet Browser & save to another source before installing Windows 7E you will NOT have access to the internet

Source

That's complete bull****. You don't need an web browser to use the internet. Just because some people don't know the difference between the web and the internet, doesn't mean it's acceptable to spread false claims like that on these forums which are after all intended for a technical audience who should know the difference. Windows 7E will come with Windows Update which uses the internet, activation which can use the internet, in some versions Remote Desktop, ditto, a e-mail client, unless they removed it a command line FTP client which can be used to download stuff including a web browser if you so desire and other servers and client which can connect to the internet in various ways.

Heck for some people IM and bittorrent is more important then a web browser

 

[Dzomlija]

That's complete bull****. You don't need an web browser to use the internet. Just because some people don't know the difference between the web and the internet, doesn't mean it's acceptable to spread false claims like that on these forums which are after all intended for a technical audience who should know the difference. Windows 7E will come with Windows Update which uses the internet, activation which can use the internet, in some versions Remote Desktop, ditto, a e-mail client, unless they removed it a command line FTP client which can be used to download stuff including a web browser if you so desire and other servers and client which can connect to the internet in various ways.

Heck for some people IM and bittorrent is more important then a web browser

Fair enough argument, but how many rookie users know enough to be able to use command line FTP etc to download a browser. Can Windows Update be used to download and install IE or Firefox? Where will an IM or bittorrent client come from without a browser to use for the download.

Again, how many rookie/novice/noob users have enough knowledge to use command line tools for ftp? If they did have that knowledge, then they won't BE novices, now would they??