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Let the system run on idle over night. The garbage collection may fix it.
My ignorance Wolfgang but I thought garbage collection was handled by the firmware and Windows 7 when you turned the system off provided TRIM is enabled. Definitely a question.

Is a manual garbage collection utility useful?

I wonder if the Crucial M4 firmware (0309) could have a problem.
 

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Let the system run on idle over night. The garbage collection may fix it.
My ignorance Wolfgang but I thought garbage collection was handled by the firmware and Windows 7 when you turned the system off provided TRIM is enabled. Definitely a question.

Is a manual garbage collection utility useful?

I wonder if the Crucial M4 firmware (0309) could have a problem.
I think it would be difficult for the garbage collection to work when there is no power - or??

Secure erase is probably useful. I never do that because I do not worry too much about R/W timings. For me it is the access time that counts. And that is a steady 0.1ms +/- on all my SSDs.

And yeah, we seem to get some negative vibes regarding the M4. Mine has deteriorated too (in R/W speed). But as I said, that is not something I worry about. It is still plenty fast. Win8 in Virtual Box boots in 8 seconds. If it went any faster, I would get whiplash.
 

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Not with my 128GB but I am trying to figure out what is going on with one of my 64GB drives now. My sequential speeds have dropped to about 1/2 of what they were and the 4K-64 is much lower.

What board Steve? It is the oddist thing, but I saw some really low speeds. I ended up setting the drive to hot-swap in BIOS, then, even though it didn't show up hot swap in Windows, the bench went back up to normal.
 

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Windows 10 Pro. EFI boot partition, full EFI boot
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ASUS Maximus VI Hero
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MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
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Fractal Design Define R4
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Insane hobo technologies. ;-)
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Integrated HD audio + hdmi
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128 Samsung 830
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Until these issues are resolved I am not sure we should be suggesting CRUCIAL M4 is a good choice. SSD in general is a new technology and maybe most users who have a little patience should stick with spinners.
 

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GeneO, It's on my Asrock P67 hooked up to the Intel Sata 3 ports in AHCI mode. I had Windows 8 on it in a sata dock, but noticed it seeming slower. I put it back into the computer and was the same. After a few reboots, it won't even boot now.
 

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    32GB G Skill DDR4-3600
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    EVGA RTX 3080 FTW 3 Ultra
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    On Board/Sennheiser PC37X Headset
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    3 X Asus 27"
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    2560x1440
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    EVGA 850
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    Phanteks Eclipse P400A
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    Logitech G510s/ Logitech G13
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    Logitech G502
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    1 TB NVME
Steve , sorry to hear that.
 

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ASUS Maximus VI Hero
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MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
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Seasonic X-850 (2012 KM3 model)
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Fractal Design Define R4
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Cooler Master Storm Quickfire Rapid - Brown
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Logitech G602
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USB 3.0 x8 , SATA III x8, eSATA, USB 2.0 x6. Samsung DVD R/W drive.

WEI: CPU 7.8, Memory 7.9, Graphics 7.9, Disk 7.9
Drives fail, it happens all the time. I've bought mechanicals that have lasted a decade and I've bought mechanicals that lasted a week.
I don't see any reason to expect that ssd's will be any different. I am however, currently only suggesting the upgrade to people I know already have newer motherboard hardware.
We seem to finally be getting to the point where they have straightened out the vast majority of the firmware related problems. So progress is being made.

I have always refrained from telling people with older systems to make the upgrade as problems seem to multiply when that is done.

I'm perfectly happy with my samsung. I was actually happy with it even before I realized it was running in ide mode and fixed it.
It probably won't have an enormously long life as I haven't taken all hte steps I could to ensure it's longevity, but I am still very happy with it.
 

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Integrated HD audio + hdmi
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128 Samsung 830
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NZXT Phantom + additional 220 fan
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Zalmann
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I'm thinking of RMAing my Crucial M4 128GB. Another person on the Crucial forum had the same problem with very low 4K-64 speeds and nothing they did could fix it. What do you think?
 

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I think it may have been me. Maybe not. LOL. I may go RMA if they will too, though I am hoping they will come out with a new firmware...
 

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MSI GTX 970 Gaming 4G
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I'm thinking of RMAing my Crucial M4 128GB. Another person on the Crucial forum had the same problem with very low 4K-64 speeds and nothing they did could fix it. What do you think?
Michael. I would say that RMA is not necessary as long as you are still happy with the performance. I think the R/W speed does very little to the OS performance. My SSDs vary widely in R/W speeds, but they all perform as expected - which is fast. The access time is always +/- 0.1ms - and that is what counts.

Have a look at the boot speed of Windows 8 in my Virtual Box - and that is from my 64GB M4. Start Win8 in vBox1.wmv - YouTube
 

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Thanks for your advice Wolfgang. I've got some more pressing personal business to sort out so I'll probably sit on it for a while. (A reason for lack of forum activity!).
 

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Thanks for your advice Wolfgang. I've got some more pressing personal business to sort out so I'll probably sit on it for a while. (A reason for lack of forum activity!).
Understand. Personal matters should always take priority.
 

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My Corsair Performance Series Pro 256GB SSD

Here is my AS SSD Benchmark:
 

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Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
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Very good scores Eric. Where did you buy that one - Newegg??
 

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Nice scores, Eric. Well done
 

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    Asus X570 Crosshair Viii Hero
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    32GB G Skill DDR4-3600
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    EVGA 850
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Dominator GT 16GB Quad Channel DDR3 (CMT16GX3M4X2133C9)
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Creative PCI Express X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion Series
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Samsung 24" LCD Monitor 245BW
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Corsair AX1200i Digital ATX Power Supply
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Cosair Obsidian Series 800D Full-Tower Case
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Corsair Hydro H100 Extreme Performance Liquid CPU Cooler
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Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
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Logitech Gaming Mouse G500
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Thanks for the update Eric.
 

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So I finaly got one. 90 GIG for only £84...

Love the speed, Capped as its for Sata III but Its there for Sata III when i get one :).

ssd .PNG
I noticed that the BAD was there so I looked it up changed it and now I get this.
ssd AHCI .PNG
 

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Windows 7 Home Pre
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Q8200 Intell 2.333
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Asus P5Q3 Delux
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DDR3 1333 4gig
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Ati HD4870
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Onboard Soundmax. 7.1
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1, 20" Samsung
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1600/900
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Good enough
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Le Shark
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FAN FAN FAN FAN, Thermaltake Minitype 90 with speed fan 4.
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Standard, Gaming Wolfking
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Cm-storm-inferno-wired-gaming-mouse
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Sky Crappy upto 20meg I get a whapping 5.8mbs.
It is good that you changed it to AHCI. But in practice you will probably not notice a difference for the OS because the 4K nums and the acccess times did not really change. And those are the ones that count.
 

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2x HP w2207
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5x HDD, 7x SSD, 12x Externals
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with trackball - no mices
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DSL 6000
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