American ISPs to launch massive copyright spying scheme on July 12

[seekermeister]

The RIAA, in the few cases they've won in court for large fines....I'd like to know if any of that money actually went to the artists they purport to represent, or if it simply gets funneled in the legal expenses, which as we all know can be outrageous.

What makes you think that any of it ever was intended to go to the artists themselves? Artists are only paid a royalty on revenues derived from legitimate showings of their work, not from revenues coming from this. A better question would be how much actually goes back to the media owners?

 

[noobvious]

The RIAA, in the few cases they've won in court for large fines....I'd like to know if any of that money actually went to the artists they purport to represent, or if it simply gets funneled in the legal expenses, which as we all know can be outrageous.

What makes you think that any of it ever was intended to go to the artists themselves? Artists are only paid a royalty on revenues derived from legitimate showings of their work, not from revenues coming from this. A better question would be how much actually goes back to the media owners?

Fair enough...I suspect the answer is not much of that money.

 

[pparks1]

Even if you are never involved in this type of action, doesn't it bother you at least a little that someone else most likely will be, that shouldn't have been?

As an IT guy who has worked exclusively for commercial software vendors, I'm actually more concerned by actual piracy itself than I am of somebody potentially being wrongly accused.

EDIT: Apparently, you have never driven through some of our nations notorious speed traps, like Nolanville, Texas. They have a short piece of highway going through their jurisdiction, where they make many small speed limit changes, and if they catch you exceeding any of them by 1 mph, they will pull you over and ticket you.

Guess not. Most places I have been you get at least 5-10mph over the limit before they even think about doing anything.

 

[seekermeister]

As an IT guy who has worked exclusively for commercial software vendors, I'm actually more concerned by actual piracy itself than I am of somebody potentially being wrongly accused.

That is somewhat as I suspected, but that puts you on a bias that is against the grain of public interest.

 

[bigdog2626]

they sued a single mother for downloading 24 songs from what read none of that money goes to the artist

now days with wireless internet the way it is & you don't know how to set it up to where it blocks people from using yours it can be used by your next door Neighbor to download stuff this in long run is going to hurt users that don't pirate

lets say if i had rapidshare pro for a while i upload a movie now that i own have the right to rip it & upload it as long as i don't share it i decide to dl it after my isp becomes pirate cops how would they know i got the right to dl that movie they wont unless i argue the fact

in the long run this will not prevent piracy im 100% sure and anything they do to attempt illegal online movies & music wont help against piracy as piracy is not just online it is every where in your local flea markets at your local convenient store just look for the guy with a box of copied DVDs & CDs heck all a pirate has to do is rent it & rip it & they got it

this wont put more money in there pockets nether from dvd sales game sales R whatever it might put more in their pockets from your isp saleing info to the company's to sue you
but alot of people rent what they watch own cable and just wait for it to hit their packaged station such as showtime hbo R starz and heck if im not home i will just use dvr to record it for me later to watch

& trust me pirates got plans to over come this obstacle & this will only hurt the isp because who wants them to be able to view alot of your online doings more then what they already do
at least 80% of adult content on tube sites is copyrighted content so if you watch free porn you fall into the category of a pirate

why not just create a tax and leave internet alone
cable,phone & internet company's can create all kinds of charges but they cant come up with a tax to leave the internet alone

 

[pparks1]

now days with wireless internet the way it is & you don't know how to set it up to where it blocks people from using yours it can be used by your next door Neighbor to download stuff this in long run is going to hurt users that don't pirate

So, leave things alone as people don't know how to secure their wireless networks?

lets say if i had rapidshare pro for a while i upload a movie now that i own have the right to rip it

Commercial DVD's are protected with CSS and it's technically not allowable to decrypt it to rip the movie. So, you probably don't have as many rights as you think you do to actually rip it.

in the long run this will not prevent piracy im 100% sure and anything they do to attempt illegal online movies & music wont help against piracy as piracy is not just online it is every where in your local flea markets at your local convenient store just look for the guy with a box of copied DVDs & CDs heck all a pirate has to do is rent it & rip it & they got it

I do understand your point, but if you get your internet connection shut off and you don't have alternative providers you can use, this would certainly curb your ability to pirate and share things.

 

[bigdog2626]

So, leave things alone as people don't know how to secure their wireless networks?

no its not just that reason to leave things alone that could be #1 #2 anything they do isnt going to prevent piracy #3 anything they do will invade our rights as a us citizen i know there are more reasons but right now none come to mind and if they just adapt to the internet like they did with vhs,dvd,dvr and any mobile mp3 player

Commercial DVD's are protected with CSS and it's technically not allowable to decrypt it to rip the movie. So, you probably don't have as many rights as you think you do to actually rip it.

you are right there which that alone is kind of messed up say if i got a dvd & i dont want to scratch it up i want to be able to put it on a blank media disk and just use that but no they make it illegal to insure my stuff from working & to insure more money coming from non pirate paying consumers

I do understand your point, but if you get your internet connection shut off and you don't have alternative providers you can use, this would certainly curb your ability to pirate and share things.

yea i guess so but where im from i got just about any isp available so if my isp doesnt want my $50 a month i guess ill find some one who does lol but i shouldn't have to worry about them as i don't torrent and don't use p2p & i will be getting a vpn to insure my privacy

 

[pparks1]

you are right there which that alone is kind of messed up say if i got a dvd & i dont want to scratch it up i want to be able to put it on a blank media disk and just use that but no they make it illegal to insure my stuff from working & to insure more money coming from non pirate paying consumers

Well, the reason they put the encryption on there in the 1st place was not to prevent you from making a backup copy of your disc for your own personal use, but rather to keep a bit by bit exact duplicate of the media from being freely available. Granted, the CSS mechanism was broken and pirates did work around it, but it wasn't there to limit what you could do with your own property.

yea i guess so but where im from i got just about any isp available

I am fortunate to have 2 cable companies in my neighborhood, but that's about it as far as high speed internet is concerned. I'm too far away for DSL and satellite internet is not very appealing. And I don't want to switch to Comcast...which is my 2nd cable company option.

I'm not living under a rock and under the belief that measures like this will curb piracy completely. But I also don't believe in the digital age that people should be able to freely take whatever they want when other less computer savvy folks have to pay money to obtain the same thing.

 

[bigdog2626]

Well, the reason they put the encryption on there in the 1st place was not to prevent you from making a backup copy of your disc for your own personal use, but rather to keep a bit by bit exact duplicate of the media from being freely available.

which makes it illegal to back it up and have for safe keeping

Commercial DVD's are protected with CSS and it's technically not allowable to decrypt it to rip the movie. So, you probably don't have as many rights as you think you do to actually rip it.

that law kind contradicts itself if you ask me

I am fortunate to have 2 cable companies in my neighborhood

i got a hand full charter,att,direct tv & satellite more if i just look them up same as isps lol but im fine with charter & will never get att internet again as they seem to not care for their consumers privacy & rights

 

[TanyaC]

I don't condone piracy, but I wonder if there might be another dymanic to it.

Here is Australia we are wayyyy behind in some TV series, and some movies never get released on DVD here. There are also lags in getting access to stuff.

An example, The Jesse Stone series of TV movies are not available where I live. Department stores won't order them specially for a person, they have none on the shelves. I can't rent them from video stores in my area (because they just don't have them), and because DVD/BD player manufacturers have made the players region encoded, and for many players "hacks" don't exist, then I can't buy it from Amazon or such, because my player won't play it - wrong region code.

My freedom of choice is already overly controlled by big brother, and my freedoms are being eroded every day.

It's not a matter of willingness to pay for it - availability is also an issue.

So I jumped on a few torrent sites, and usenet sites, and sure enough, there are all seven movies. Sitting there ready to solve my problem. I won;t download them because they will probably be poor quality, or have hardcoded foreign subs., but you get my point.

Even eBay doesn't offer a solution all of the time, as a lot of the stuff is not region 4 DVD or Region B Blu-ray.

I fear that for some, this is incentive enough to get upset enough to download pirated stuff.

The lack of freedom, privacy and availability is infuriating. I wonder if faster and wider availability would help some people resist the urge to pirate?

Just a thought
Tanya

 

[bigdog2626]

i agree with you it would put a dent in it

 

[seekermeister]

I remember a video posted in one of the threads of this forum, which mentioned a point that was interesting to me, in that apparently in Canada, they charge an additional tax on optical media, in which a portion goes to the A/V media owners. By doing so, it apparently is not illegal to copy any media in that nation. Not certain how that would work here, but it sounds a lot better than the way things are going now.

 

[bigdog2626]

I remember a video posted in one of the threads of this forum, which mentioned a point that was interesting to me, in that apparently in Canada, they charge an additional tax on optical media, in which a portion goes to the A/V media owners. By doing so, it apparently is not illegal to copy any media in that nation. Not certain how that would work here, but it sounds a lot better than the way things are going now.

i say the same thing man tax us and move on leave the net alone,free & uncensored

why not just create a tax and leave internet alone
cable,phone & internet company's can create all kinds of charges but they cant come up with a tax to leave the internet alone

Fight Back: Congress Pushing Broad Internet Snooping Bill

http://act.demandprogress.org/letter/snooping/
heres some info on that tax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy
also known as blank media tax or levy

 

[Trucidation]

i agree with you it would put a dent in it

Of course it would. The vast majority of casual piracy happens because there are too many obstacles in trying to get the product legit.

Non-technical people don't wake up and say "I wonder what's hot on TPB today lol", they just want to get the stuff they saw trailers for on YouTube or whatever their friends have been posting on Facebook or Twitter or whatever social website of the month is.

 

[seekermeister]

It should be kept in mind that once a tax is created, there is no real way of controlling it. That is why I would prefer a tax on media, rather than on the internet itself. A media tax should be dedicated, and not placed in the general fund to get "lost". No internet tax for me.

 

[Colonel Travis]

i say the same thing man tax us and move on leave the net alone,free & uncensored

If they do this, the complete opposite will happen. You're asking the same idiots who are meddling now to gain even more control? "Free and uncensored" doesn't exist in their world.

Why on earth do people trust bureaucrats?

 

[FuturDreamz]

i say the same thing man tax us and move on leave the net alone,free & uncensored

If they do this, the complete opposite will happen. You're asking the same idiots who are meddling now to gain even more control? "Free and uncensored" doesn't exist in their world.

Why on earth do people trust bureaucrats?

It depends on the country. After that, some people have an instinctive need to hold irrational faith.

 

[bigdog2626]

It should be kept in mind that once a tax is created, there is no real way of controlling it.

if im not mistaken your saying there is no way of controlling the tax that we already do pay for sh!t
like the personal property tax you R i pay each & every year you own a house R whatever
there are taxes you pay that is going to things such as ssi,food stamps & medicade
so why not create a tax & just leave the internet alone free&open & the big wigs get the tax that internet users pay i would be 100% fine with it im already paying taxes for a lot of sh!t
how about you
would you be fine with paying the tax & having the net free,open & uncensored ?

 

[Richardc269]

I don't condone piracy, but I wonder if there might be another dymanic to it.

Here is Australia we are wayyyy behind in some TV series, and some movies never get released on DVD here. There are also lags in getting access to stuff.

An example, The Jesse Stone series of TV movies are not available where I live. Department stores won't order them specially for a person, they have none on the shelves. I can't rent them from video stores in my area (because they just don't have them), and because DVD/BD player manufacturers have made the players region encoded, and for many players "hacks" don't exist, then I can't buy it from Amazon or such, because my player won't play it - wrong region code.

My freedom of choice is already overly controlled by big brother, and my freedoms are being eroded every day.

It's not a matter of willingness to pay for it - availability is also an issue.

So I jumped on a few torrent sites, and usenet sites, and sure enough, there are all seven movies. Sitting there ready to solve my problem. I won;t download them because they will probably be poor quality, or have hardcoded foreign subs., but you get my point.

Even eBay doesn't offer a solution all of the time, as a lot of the stuff is not region 4 DVD or Region B Blu-ray.

I fear that for some, this is incentive enough to get upset enough to download pirated stuff.

The lack of freedom, privacy and availability is infuriating. I wonder if faster and wider availability would help some people resist the urge to pirate?

Just a thought
Tanya

This is one of the main reasons why pirating happens. Availability is just non-existant in some places.

Having no income is why some people pirate as well, but not as high as the reason above.

No matter what the movie/music/game industry does, there is always going to be pirating, and they just need to face the fact that limiting it is only going to make it worse, yet they're dumb enough to keep forcing people to pirate their crap because their greed is overwhelming. (Greed = Fear of being poor, that's what Greed basically is).

 

[Skulblaka]

I don't condone piracy, but I wonder if there might be another dymanic to it.

Here is Australia we are wayyyy behind in some TV series, and some movies never get released on DVD here. There are also lags in getting access to stuff.

An example, The Jesse Stone series of TV movies are not available where I live. Department stores won't order them specially for a person, they have none on the shelves. I can't rent them from video stores in my area (because they just don't have them), and because DVD/BD player manufacturers have made the players region encoded, and for many players "hacks" don't exist, then I can't buy it from Amazon or such, because my player won't play it - wrong region code.

My freedom of choice is already overly controlled by big brother, and my freedoms are being eroded every day.

It's not a matter of willingness to pay for it - availability is also an issue.

So I jumped on a few torrent sites, and usenet sites, and sure enough, there are all seven movies. Sitting there ready to solve my problem. I won;t download them because they will probably be poor quality, or have hardcoded foreign subs., but you get my point.

Even eBay doesn't offer a solution all of the time, as a lot of the stuff is not region 4 DVD or Region B Blu-ray.

I fear that for some, this is incentive enough to get upset enough to download pirated stuff.

The lack of freedom, privacy and availability is infuriating. I wonder if faster and wider availability would help some people resist the urge to pirate?

Just a thought
Tanya

This is one of the main reasons why pirating happens. Availability is just non-existant in some places.

Having no income is why some people pirate as well, but not as high as the reason above.

No matter what the movie/music/game industry does, there is always going to be pirating, and they just need to face the fact that limiting it is only going to make it worse, yet they're dumb enough to keep forcing people to pirate their crap because their greed is overwhelming. (Greed = Fear of being poor, that's what Greed basically is).

That's the thing with DLCs, additional game content for MOAR money. Correct me if I'm wrong, Mass Effect 3, content on there that needed unlocking by paying AGAIN for the game.