What issues can arrise with Windows 7E?

[sjaak327]

I guess choosing a browser is a personal thing, I prefer IE8 since it provides me with the best way to work with tabs, I have never understood the big appeal for firefox tbh. In any case IE8 on Windows7 /vista is not only a rock solid browser, it is also very secure. I have my doubts about firefox in the same context.

Safari, I even don't use on Leopard, it's just not my preferred browser, I guess that's a nice way of putting it

 

[masterB]

I guess choosing a browser is a personal thing, I prefer IE8 since it provides me with the best way to work with tabs, I have never understood the big appeal for firefox tbh. In any case IE8 on Windows7 /vista is not only a rock solid browser, it is also very secure. I have my doubts about firefox in the same context.

Safari, I even don't use on Leopard, it's just not my preferred browser, I guess that's a nice way of putting it

Firefox it is safer, faster and has a lot of addons for everyones needs.
Try it and you're gonna change your mind

 

[sjaak327]

Haha, I doubt it is safer then IE8 which is sandboxed into the OS on both Vista and Win7, I agree with all those add-ons, but then again, I use it as a browser, so I never use add-ons.

 

[gurm42]

Oh, thank you. I cannot face the day without having heard an expert opinion on how much IEx sucks. Now that that is out of the way I can finish my coffee, have a bowel movement and carry on with life.

No, wait, something is missing..... I still need to be told that Macs are the only REAL computers for smart people and if the everyone in the world switched to Linux we would have peace in the Middle East....

Oh well, I must somehow carry on anyway.....

You made my day. I was about to post something equally snarky. You saved me the trouble. Thank you good sir!

 

[gurm42]

ah i didnt understand what a CYA was sorry,so i guess anything like that will possibly just give a script error type warning like orbital's shown from wmp in the earlier post?

(C)over (Y)our (A)ss

 

[gurm42]

To answer the original question - it is impossible to actually remove IE8.

Windows 7E will still have IE8 in it, because it CANNOT BE REMOVED FROM THE SYSTEM. Virtually 100% of Windows now uses the IE DLL's to render content, since practically everything is XML now.

When you "uninstall" IE8 you are in essence just deleting iexplore.exe and the add-ons. The problem is that even the default set of add-ons (as set up on a clean install) gets hooked into some of the content-rendering done by the back-end DLL's. Therefore... that stuff potentially breaks (as shown in this thread).

Does this help?

 

[Muad Dib]

ah i didnt understand what a CYA was sorry,so i guess anything like that will possibly just give a script error type warning like orbital's shown from wmp in the earlier post?

That one surprises the heck out of me.

Orbital, had you installed some other browser after "turning IE8 off"?

If not was the "Internet Options" applet still available in Control Panel?

If so was there anything like "Internet Options" applet still available in Control Panel?

Do you have the Sun Java run-time installed (both the 32 bit and the 64 bit)?

Do you have the Visual C++ run-time installed?

Makes me wonder how much uninstalling IE from a W7 US install differs from a W7 E install that never had IE to begin with.....hmmmmm....

I need to squeeze another partition out of my cramped HDDs so I can install a W7 test copy....

 

[SIW2]

I have posted this many times, but have not got any kind of definitive answer.

Can anybody confirm the following :

1. All dvd's will contain all the 7 install files.

2. Only the dvd's sold in the EU will also contain the install configs for E versions.

3. If that is the case, it follows :

A Regular key can be used with all install media.

An E key can only be used with install media which also contains the E install configs.

You can see what I am getting at from the N version of Vista install media :

Vista N version install media :



Vista Regular install media:

 

[gurm42]

I have posted this many times, but have not got any kind of definitive answer.

Can anybody confirm the following :

1. All dvd's will contain all the 7 install files.

2. Only the dvd's sold in the EU will also contain the install configs for E versions.

Don't think you'll get that confirmation until we see some retail discs.

 

[SIW2]

MS have not thought this through - they got away with it with the Vista N versions , because almost nobody had them.

Could be a real nuisance.

 

[masterB]

Haha, I doubt it is safer then IE8 which is sandboxed into the OS on both Vista and Win7, I agree with all those add-ons, but then again, I use it as a browser, so I never use add-ons.

The Add-ons make it safer
I use FF with NoScript and Adblock and I am safer than using IE.

Anyway IE is just a bloated softare. You see what problems you can have uninstalling this crap.

 

[sjaak327]

MS have not thought this through - they got away with it with the Vista N versions , because almost nobody had them.

Could be a real nuisance.

Well, it all depends on if the EC is statisfied, the EC wanted Microsoft to present people with a ballot screen, where they could choose between different browsers. Now obviously Microsoft is dead set against that ballot screen, which is understandable from both a business standpoint, and a technical (support) standpoint.

Whether or not Microsoft will get away with just removing IE8 from Win7 install media in the EU remains to be seen. This could easily lead to a delay in Europe for Win7.

 

[Muad Dib]

Well, it all depends on if the EC is statisfied, the EC wanted Microsoft to present people with a ballot screen, where they could choose between different browsers. Now obviously Microsoft is dead set against that ballot screen, which is understandable from both a business standpoint, and a technical (support) standpoint.

Whether or not Microsoft will get away with just removing IE8 from Win7 install media in the EU remains to be seen. This could easily lead to a delay in Europe for Win7.

Refresh my memory please... is Windows Media Player included in the Windows E distribution? Thanks!

 

[sjaak327]

Yes E version has IE removed but contains WMP, the N version will have both IE and WMP removed.

 

[jimbo45]

personally i think IE8 sucks the big one,if when i get windows 7E there are no underlying problems due to IE8 not being present i will be installing firefox and leaving IE in the past

However if you need to run any application that needs ActiveX then Firefox won't work -- for example you won't be able to use Web Remote Desktop connection (RDP using a browdser) etc.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Nil Einne]

I've just deactivated IE8 (thru 'Turn Windows components on or off') and get this message...

View attachment 19087

This leads me to believe that there may be more underlying issues with the removal of IE8 for the 'E' release of Windows 7 than is actually being reported...

I've checked Windows Update & that works ok, but as this is my main machine I can only test certain environments momentarily.

   Note

Without an actual 'E' release certain functionality cannot yet be tested

   Information

Yes there are ways to download an explorer in an 'E' edition but it makes me wonder what CORE system components rely on IE files

Anyone care to add any feedback

There's no need to wonder. MS have already looked in to it and given info from their testing several days ago. And they've found it doesn't tend to cause problems with most applications. Windows 7 E Best Practices for ISVs - Windows 7 for Developers - The Windows Blog

(And from what I can tell reading between the lines of the blog posting, in many cases when it does cause problems, it's because of brain dead applications/developers like "The application has hard coded dependencies to launch Internet Explorer when starting a browser to access the net". And convincing these developers to stop doing such brain dead things is surely a good thing, similar to the way Windows Vista UAC encouraged less dumb coding.)

 

[Orbital Shark]

Quality post Nil Einne