More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

[SIW2]

Lol:

 

[SIW2]

What do you suppose would happen if the EU hassled M$ enough to make M$ decide that EU countries are no longer worth the hassle and refuse to license their products there anymore?

500 million people.

That is where a lot of MS revenue comes from. They can't leave it.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

What do you suppose would happen if the EU hassled M$ enough to make M$ decide that EU countries are no longer worth the hassle and refuse to license their products there anymore?

500 million people.

That is where a lot of MS revenue comes from. They can't leave it.

They wouldn't have to leave it for long. Enough people would raise a ruction to make the EU back off.

 

[SIW2]

It is quite funny over at eight forums. It is a bit like being the only sober one in the pub.

Small bunch over there make a lot of noise, but can't talk any sense.

Wolfgang knows what I mean.

 

[SIW2]

It is out of the question - suicide for MS.

Mind you - they are having a go at drastically reducing their customer numbers with win 8 as it is.

They were very lucky to get away with that small fine, by the way. Next time they break an agreement, they might get a very big slap. MS came straight out and owned up - which probably helped.

What do you suppose would happen if the EU hassled M$ enough to make M$ decide that EU countries are no longer worth the hassle and refuse to license their products there anymore?

500 million people.

That is where a lot of MS revenue comes from. They can't leave it.

They wouldn't have to leave it for long. Enough people would raise a ruction to make the EU back off.

 

[Indianatone]

Am having a go at making batch file to make your own 7sp2 install media.

You will neeed an install dvd - and you need to d/l the updates ( I will explain where from and which ones - it is pretty easy .

Just run the batch as admin and it does the job for you. It takes a while putting the updates in - then it will make the iso. You can go away for lunch and let is do it's thing.

Looking forward to it and a +1

 

[Indianatone]

I think with Windows 8, M$ prepaired the terrain for people starting to look elsewhere. More and more public bodies in Europe migrate to Linux and that trend will only accelerate. I myself explored a few Linux distros - and guess what - some are quite good and would be very suitable for the average user. Download this PDF from here and you will see.

Have the SF Admins and powers that be considered a Linux forum? I would be a total noob although I have tinkered with it some.:busted:

 

[sygnus21]

Lots of 3rd party start menus have popped up to cater to the demand.

Even the oem's are making them.

3 dozen last time I looked. A few free ones - several are cheap 3-5 bucks.

Some are making tens of millions of dollars, even at 5 bucks a license. I think stardock have made $30m on theirs alone. I bet thay can't believe they have been handed this goldmine.

That tells you something.

That may be a problem though. If M$ suddenly decided to reintroduce the Start menu, these guys that make millions may not be amused. M$ may have painted themselves into a corner.

I can't believe companies are making tens of millions of dollars just on a start menu app. That seems a bit farfetched. But... I personally wouldn’t pay for one. I haven't even looked to get the free ones.

And as been noted, all Microsoft has to do to kill that market is release a free version. Sure, the other ones may be "fancier", but how many of us have ones fancier than the default that came with 7 or any other OS?

But hey, if there's a need to be met; and a dollar to be made; businesses will spring up. Or put another way... since 8 appears to be bleeding, leeches have popped up all over the place.

 

[mjf]

I think with Windows 8, M$ prepaired the terrain for people starting to look elsewhere. More and more public bodies in Europe migrate to Linux and that trend will only accelerate. I myself explored a few Linux distros - and guess what - some are quite good and would be very suitable for the average user. Download this PDF from here and you will see.

Seems staggeringly obvious to me Wolfgang. At the least it is a very serious threat. What non MS software house would not support it.

 

[Juxxize]

I can't believe companies are making tens of millions of dollars just on a start menu app. That seems a bit farfetched. But... I personally wouldn’t pay for one. I haven't even looked to get the free ones.

And as been noted, all Microsoft has to do to kill that market is release a free version. Sure, the other ones may be "fancier", but how many of us have ones fancier than the default that came with 7 or any other OS?

Do you think MS will? if they did release a start menu app it would be like they were saying 'we were wrong have your start menu back if you want it'

 

[Juxxize]

The EU is actually now up in arms over MS failing to live upto their 2009 promise of keeping a browser options list in 7 for the EU distributions. The EU wants to level fines against MS for that one! EU fines Microsoft $US732m over browser ballot debacle - new york times, opera software, Microsoft, european union, european commission, Windows, legal, software, operating systems - Computerworld

It wouldn't be the first time they have tried to slam dunk MS however for any grievances with the software giant. EU hands down record $1.35 billion fine against Microsoft

Back in the late 90s they were fined a $1mil a day for not allowing competitors to offer browsers in Windows with MS having made sure IE was default. For a giant like MS however that is only a drop in the bucket based on their revenues!

And before I forget while keeping on the main topic, Will 90 percent of users always hate Windows 8?

Certainly the need to find a 3rd party app like Classic Shell for something people already expect to find in each version is the nasty idea someone at MS had for seeing 8 desktops look the same as the new tablet series while the RT gui was designed for tablet. The writer brings up a reference regarding "usability" when making the comparisons between the types of users. Experts, willing adopters(or willing to learn), and then the mainstream 90% novice users.

I just don't get this fine at all , I live in England and the EU are a bunch of -----well you get my point , anyone who has a computer / laptop with windows 7 on and and DOESN'T know their are other browsers out there.... well how can they not know , do they live on the moon? The EU just bully company's and governments and a total waste of tax payers money . When you buy a android phone you get the stock browser and it's up you if you feel like you want to try out other browsers available why is this any different? When I got my laptop 2 years ago it had that browser choice thinggie on it and I thought 'what is the point of this ?' of coarse I know there are other browsers out there and then proceeded to take it off my laptop because it was a waste of desktop space.

 

[marsmimar]

The EU is actually now up in arms over MS failing to live upto their 2009 promise of keeping a browser options list in 7 for the EU distributions. The EU wants to level fines against MS for that one! EU fines Microsoft $US732m over browser ballot debacle - new york times, opera software, Microsoft, european union, european commission, Windows, legal, software, operating systems - Computerworld

It wouldn't be the first time they have tried to slam dunk MS however for any grievances with the software giant. EU hands down record $1.35 billion fine against Microsoft

Back in the late 90s they were fined a $1mil a day for not allowing competitors to offer browsers in Windows with MS having made sure IE was default. For a giant like MS however that is only a drop in the bucket based on their revenues!

And before I forget while keeping on the main topic, Will 90 percent of users always hate Windows 8?

Certainly the need to find a 3rd party app like Classic Shell for something people already expect to find in each version is the nasty idea someone at MS had for seeing 8 desktops look the same as the new tablet series while the RT gui was designed for tablet. The writer brings up a reference regarding "usability" when making the comparisons between the types of users. Experts, willing adopters(or willing to learn), and then the mainstream 90% novice users.

I just don't get this fine at all , I live in England and the EU are a bunch of -----well you get my point , anyone who has a computer / laptop with windows 7 on and and DOESN'T know their are other browsers out there.... well how can they not know , do they live on the moon? The EU just bully company's and governments and a total waste of tax payers money . When you buy a android phone you get the stock browser and it's up you if you feel like you want to try out other browsers available why is this any different? When I got my laptop 2 years ago it had that browser choice thinggie on it and I thought 'what is the point of this ?' of coarse I know there are other browsers out there and then proceeded to take it off my laptop because it was a waste of desktop space.

Seems like you are using logic and common sense. Governments (and some big businesses) don't necessarily apply the same thought process.

 

[Layback Bear]

No problem if they fix the mess. But as long as they keep their playmobile UI, I'll stay away from it. There are better options.

whs my I use your new work. I like it. (playmobile)

 

[Layback Bear]

I did it another way. Mount your image from install.wim - put in the updates with dism. Make other adjustments as you like - registry entries.etc.

There have been over 500 updates released - only about 130 needed.

Works well for repair install also.

Might do a tutorial if there is enough interest.

Oh I think there will be enouth interest.

 

[indianacarnie]

I did it another way. Mount your image from install.wim - put in the updates with dism. Make other adjustments as you like - registry entries.etc.

There have been over 500 updates released - only about 130 needed.

Works well for repair install also.

Might do a tutorial if there is enough interest.

Oh I think there will be enouth interest.

I agree!

 

[lehnerus2000]

There are more like 3 dozen start menus available.

I can only think of about a half a dozen "off of the top of my head".
I wasn't including OEM versions in that number either.

I did say "... at least ...".

No registry hacks - MS removed some of the code. Nikolay has great way to alleviate much of the suffering from the disease.

He puts back the code with a couple of very small .dll files. No services , no additional executables running.

His is only 3 bucks for 2 pc license.

StartIsBack - real start menu in Windows 8

I read something in the last couple of weeks about restoring the Start Menu.
That must be what I was thinking of.

Am having a go at making batch file to make your own 7sp2 install media.

You will neeed an install dvd - and you need to d/l the updates ( I will explain where from and which ones - it is pretty easy .

Just run the batch as admin and it does the job for you. It takes a while putting the updates in - then it will make the iso. You can go away for lunch and let is do it's thing.

Thanks for that.

 

[whs]

No problem if they fix the mess. But as long as they keep their playmobile UI, I'll stay away from it. There are better options.

whs my I use your new work. I like it. (playmobile)

Of course you can use it. But it was not my invention. SIW2 introduced the word.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Indeed

It is quite funny over at eight forums. It is a bit like being the only sober one in the pub.

Small bunch over there make a lot of noise, but can't talk any sense.

Wolfgang knows what I mean.

If you post anything less than fawning praise, prepared to be shouted at by rabid fanboys.

Generally they don't even read what you actually post.

 

[whs]

It is quite funny over at eight forums. It is a bit like being the only sober one in the pub.

Small bunch over there make a lot of noise, but can't talk any sense.

Wolfgang knows what I mean.

If you post anything less than fawning praise, prepared to be shouted at by rabid fanboys.

Generally they don't even read what you actually post.

Yeah right, the fanboys make noises for a whole army, but they are only a few. The majority of the eightforum members are still sane but most of them stay out of the discussion. It is too hyper.

 

[indianacarnie]

Gosh..... now you all have me wanting to go over there and take a peek! Seem to remember going once when it first opened but not sure.Did try the Beta of 8 or whatever version it was so maybe ....? Haven't really had a desire to go back if so. My tolerance for trolls and troll-like behavior is pretty small though so maybe its best I just take your alls word on it