Normal service is resumed as Windows 7's growth once again.....

[SIW2]

LOL.

It might be hard to get hold of Windows 7 these days, but that hasn’t stopped the OS packing on growth.

It seems no matter what Microsoft does with Windows 8.x, it can’t persuade users to switch to it.

Normal service is resumed as Windows 7's growth once again comfortably outpaces Windows 8.x

 

[Layback Bear]

Sooner or later Microsoft is going to figure out something that has been known for 1000's of years. Quite arguing with the customers and sell them what they want.
In this case it' Windows 7 on PC's and Laptops.
Direct Windows 8 sales to the poke and go crowd.

 

[Kari]

Sooner or later Microsoft is going to figure out something that has been known for 1000's of years. Quite arguing with the customers and sell them what they want.
In this case it' Windows 7 on PC's and Laptops.
Direct Windows 8 sales to the poke and go crowd.

I have decided not to participate these fights anymore, it's pointless to argue about Windows 8 with people who have decided not to use it and base their opinion in what they have heard and think of it instead of facts and own experience, but I just want to say this:

I am a quite experienced Windows and PC user, both in my private life and professionally. I have used Windows 8, now 8.1 as my main OS in all laptops and desktops I have since before it was officially published, would never go back to Seven which I only run on virtual machines nowadays. I have never had or used nor will I in a foreseen future get a touch display or device, I am using this magnificent OS on normal computers controlling them with mouse and keyboard.

What gives you right to call me and other windows 8 users "poke and go crowd"?

The desktop is the same than Windows 7 desktop, apart of different start Menu and really many times more functional File Explorer. Everything that runs in Windows 7 runs on my machines. Everything can be done with mouse and keyboard, in fact the new way to use Windows 8 with them is just amazing.

Please stop calling me and other Windows 8 enthusiast names, especially when you do not have extensive experience about using Windows 8.

Kari

 

[andrew129260]

Kari,

I respect your opinion.

They are a lot of things windows 8 does right, like the improved task manager (my fav thing), the improved usb 3.0 native support, ssd support, the improved security and faster boot times. etc.

People who like windows 8 are not poke and go people, people can like what they like. Some people love 8, and that's great. The average public does not though. I am one of them.

But for users like me who have tried it and honestly used it for several months and still do not like it, that says something. My opinion. For windows 8, a majority of people do not like it.

Yes quite a few people hate it without actually using it, but that happens.

To me it still takes longer to do simple tasks. Don't get me wrong, they have made tremendous improvements. Shutdown has now improved with an easy button right on the start screen so that has helped. As well as easy right click in the bottom right and shut down also listing more advanced commands.

But windows 8 is not made for average users. It is not made for power users. It is a ugly morph of both.

Windows 8 needs to be where it belongs-on a tablet. Windows 8 needs to decide on it's identity. It is trying to hard to meet both needs, when it should develop into 2 different operating systems. Windows 8 should be re-named windows mobile or something, and then have windows 9 be the full desktop/laptop experience.

I don't need every app taking up my entire screen. I want to multitask. Yes you can snap apps, yes you can resize. But everything is ridiculous giant and cumbersome. It speaks volumes that it has such as low market-share as it does.

Ether way you look at it, while there are a lot of things I like about windows 8, There is a lot more I do not like.

A lot of features are removed in windows 8 that I use. Previous versions is a perfect example. It is a fantastic tool and is gone and replaced with the dumber file history. That requires a external hard drive hooked up at all times to restore previous versions of files. What good is that? Why make it harder to do something?


It is not enough to upgrade for me as it makes it more frustrating to use my pc, even though I learned the "new way" of doing things.

I do like it on tablets though, played around with it for awhile on a asus and lenovo tablet. It is very cool to have the whole windows experience in a tablet. And the surface is not bad at all. The price is but that is a different topic.

 

[Kari]

I am unsubscribing this thread after posting this, for as I said these arguments are IMO pointless.

To me it still takes longer to do simple tasks.

Name a few "simple tasks" that takes more time to do in Eight that in Seven.

Windows 8 should be re-named windows mobile or something, and then have windows 9 be the full desktop/laptop experience.

Total BS. Windows 8 is just as much a PC OS than Seven, only difference being it has added functionality.

I don't need every app taking up my entire screen. I want to multitask. Yes you can snap apps, yes you can resize. But everything is ridiculous giant and cumbersome. It speaks volumes that it has such as low market-share as it does.

The stupidest BS argument I have ever heard of. If you do not like Store Apps and how they behave, you do not have to use nor see them ever again. The same if you do not like the Start Screen, boot to desktop and never use Start Screen again. Multitask with desktop apps exactly as you do with Windows Seven.

Previous versions is a perfect example. It is a fantastic tool and is gone and replaced with the dumber file history. That requires a external hard drive hooked up at all times to restore previous versions of files. What good is that? Why make it harder to do something?

Again BS. File history does not require an external HDD. For example I am using a separate partition in my system disk for it.

Over and out,

Kari

 

[andrew129260]

okay............


Kari, your telling me you can restore previous versions of files without a external harddrive or backup? You stated you have another partition set up. That is what I am saying right there.

In windows 7 you can restore files by right clicking and going to restore previous versions. Simple.
No external hard drive or internal backup needed. It is done through restore points nativly inside windows. (Yes you can download shadow copy into windows 8 and manually extract data.)


True I do not need to use store apps, you are right. But isn't the point of windows 8 to get me to want to use apps? To want me using their store? I just think there needs to be options on installation if one wants these features. Sure I can configure everything so I do not need to see Metro again. But for people who have windows 7 already, why would we upgrade to something I have to configure a lot more to get it to work the way I expect it to?

I also was not arguing....my intention was not to have a war or argue about it. Sorry if I bothered you about it.

I did not mean windows 8 only should be a tablet mobile OS. I meant the interface.

 

[Layback Bear]

My understanding that most people use Windows 8 just like the way Microsoft advertises it's use. Touch screen.

Of course I understand their are users like Kari that have the knowledge and desire to make it work the way they want it to but Kari you are many pay grades above the average user that Microsoft's is reaching out for.
Every commercial I see for Windows 8 is touch screen. No mouse or keyboard.
That indicates to me Microsoft is reaching for the poke and go people.

I can't imagine anybody considering someone with the knowledge of a Kari and many other members here on this forum as average users that fit the commercials put out by Microsoft for Windows 8.

The only finger I pointed at in my post #2 was Microsoft and the customers they advertise to. Therefore the poke and go crowd.

My post #2 was not in any way shape or form pointing at any member on this forum.

Layback Bear.

 

[zap9x]

windows 8 is not that bad , i dont ever shut my PC down so the shutdown button is totally useless to me , start menu is lovable and the features are cool , the only problem is i dont have genuine key (yet) so it crashes like everyday which is why im back to 7
PS : and there is an app that will allow u to use windows 8/8.1's features in window (s) , not taking the entire screen

 

[SIW2]

No idea why this has turned into a personal thread.

Irrelevant if I like it or not. It is still not selling.

 

[andrew129260]

No idea why this has turned into a personal thread.

Irrelevant if I like it or not. It is still not selling.

Agreed

 

[Kari]

Didn't unsubscribe although I promised...

No idea why this has turned into a personal thread.

In first response to your original post, in post #2 a fellow member categorized Windows 8 users and those interested in it as "poke and go crowd". As a declared Windows 8 enthusiast and advocate, I do not like users who base their opinions in rumors and prejudice instead of facts and own experience to call me or other users names or categorize me as a user. I felt I have to respond to that.

My response is post #3.

In post #4 another fellow member reacting to my post posted invalid BS "facts" which needed to be corrected.

I am sorry if this took your thread to wrong path; I of course am already used to general consensus that it is OK and accepted to bash Windows 8 but not accepted to respond to that, and I should remember and respect that.

Irrelevant if I like it or not. It is still not selling.

Part of that, I am not saying all of it but certainly part of it, is because of this general consensus that you don't have to use Windows 8 at all to be allowed to criticize it, you can just bash it based on biased rumors and third party information without checking the facts. A lot of Windows 8's reputation is based on rumors and invalid facts circulating the Internet.

Kari

 

[andrew129260]

So just because I do not care for windows 8 makes me bashing it?

Wow. I get it, you like windows 8. That is fine. I am not trying to say you're wrong....

I have an honest statement on previous versions though. Isn't what I said true? If I am wrong, say so.

See post 6.

I am sorry if I am offending you, just honestly stating my opinions thats all.

 

[Kari]

Andrew, I did not say you were bashing Windows 8. Do not try to twist my words. I very clearly stated that I only responded to those invalid facts you presented. Read my post again, with your "facts" quoted and my comments to them.

 

[Computer0304]

So just because I do not care for windows 8 makes me bashing it?

Wow. I get it, you like windows 8. That is fine. I am not trying to say you're wrong....

I have an honest statement on previous versions though. Isn't what I said true? If I am wrong, say so.

See post 6.

I am sorry if I am offending you, just honestly stating my opinions thats all.

Andrew, I did not say you were bashing Windows 8. Do not try to twist my words. I very clearly stated that I only responded to those invalid facts you presented. Read my post again, with your "facts" quoted and my comments to them.

Guys, stop arguing and let's all pretend this never happened. Remember, our purpose on this forum is to help.

 

[andrew129260]

Kari I think you are taking my opinions and reading them like I am saying they are facts. I know I do not have to use the store, I know I can avoid and not use metro completely. I know I can do simple tasks with just a much different way in 8, I know windows 8 is a desktop operating system etc.

I am saying I do not like or care for windows 8, nor do not see why people with windows 7 would want it. No where did I say you must use the store, you must have apps full screened etc. I was giving my opinion on it that is all.

You like it and that is great. To each his own.

The previous versions thing from post 6, I stated file history must have a drive set up to use it.

Windows 7 uses previous versions (shadow copies) and restores files from restore points. No external hard drive or another drive needed for setup, nothing needs to be turned on etc.

File history requires a drive to be set up and file history must be turned on. I am not able to use my C drive on my windows 8.1 pro vm.

From Microsoft article: Restore files or folders using File History - Windows Help

Windows Tutorials, Howtos, and More!: Windows 8: How To Recover Previous Versions Of Files


And computer, we are not fighting/arguing. Just talking I am voicing my opinions/facts whatever and kari is voicing his. He just did not like being called a poke and go crowd as it was a general statement about windows 8 users. I understand that. and possibly feels that windows 8 is bashed without reason. Layback bear stated he did not mean it in that way. So everythings fine. just talking about windows 8.

 

[Pete4]

I have used Win 8 for about a year, I have Android tablets, I have Android phablet phone, so I'm speaking from personal experience, the Win 8 was completely useless, I was hoping I get used to it and never did. The constant messages "Win8 has new program to open this file", following with "Win can't open the file, looking for solution on internet" with final message "Win didn't find solution", and then trying to get back to desktop, which never worked on the first try, or going into metro interface any time I accidently put my mouse on the right edge, with no easy way to go back I mean the list goes on and did I mentioned how ugly and space wasting Metro is. But I totally lost it when I wasted almost an hour downloading win 8.1 upgrade, then wasted another 30 min waiting for computer to update files etc and then I got to the screen asking to input my e-mail. Since I don't have one with MS I pressed skip, which promptly, without any warning revert back to Win 8 and deleted whole 8.1 upgrade download without even asking. So now to upgrade I would have to go with whole procedure of downloading and installing from start. There goes 2 hours of my life I'll never get back and that's the moment I had enough and switched back to Win7.
%@#$ you MS for wonderful customer experience you gave me. You'll have to blackmail or bribe me to use Win 8 ever again.

 

[SIW2]

LOL.

 

[Computer0304]

Kari I think you are taking my opinions and reading them like I am saying they are facts. I know I do not have to use the store, I know I can avoid and not use metro completely. I know I can do simple tasks with just a much different way in 8, I know windows 8 is a desktop operating system etc.

I am saying I do not like or care for windows 8, nor do not see why people with windows 7 would want it. No where did I say you must use the store, you must have apps full screened etc. I was giving my opinion on it that is all.

You like it and that is great. To each his own.

The previous versions thing from post 6, I stated file history must have a drive set up to use it.

Windows 7 uses previous versions (shadow copies) and restores files from restore points. No external hard drive or another drive needed for setup, nothing needs to be turned on etc.

File history requires a drive to be set up and file history must be turned on. I am not able to use my C drive on my windows 8.1 pro vm.

From Microsoft article: Restore files or folders using File History - Windows Help

Windows Tutorials, Howtos, and More!: Windows 8: How To Recover Previous Versions Of Files

And computer, we are not fighting/arguing. Just talking I am voicing my opinions/facts whatever and kari is voicing his. He just did not like being called a poke and go crowd as it was a general statement about windows 8 users. I understand that. and possibly feels that windows 8 is bashed without reason. Layback bear stated he did not mean it in that way. So everythings fine. just talking about windows 8.

Ok, I just wanted to make sure.

 

[lehnerus2000]

One area where W8 has incontrovertibly excelled, is in promoting warfare on Windows forums.

 

[Computer0304]

One area where W8 has incontrovertibly excelled, is in promoting warfare on Windows forums.

I think instead of Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, this is Call of OSes: Windows Warfare 8.