Solved BROADWELL E is Around the Corner and I am Concerned

[ThrashZone]

Yea I reloaded Vista a couple weeks ago and it's a good os
I wasn't on it very long way back in 2009 before I got a free Acer win-7 upgrade disk and loaded it
But it is pretty good
I made a system image of it after I reloaded it in case I ever needed to restore it

 

[Layback Bear]

Keyloggers and more keyloggers.

For years many companies and hackers have been trying to use them on the masses.
Install them on as many computers as possible trying to steal things.

For as many years we have been able to stop the keylogger programs with security programs.

My questions:
Does W-10 key log for sure?
How do we stop W-10 from key logging?
Just because Microsoft has made their new operating to include key logging doesn't make a key logger program a good thing. To me it's still a unwanted bad thing.

As far as my thoughts of BroadWell-E. Like anybody really cares.

I think I will just wait and see what else Intel comes up with.
I would like Intel to do things the old school way.

Keep creating new inventive CPU's and SSD's with no strings attached.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Keyloggers and more keyloggers.

For years many companies and hackers have been trying to use them on the masses.
Install them on as many computers as possible trying to steal things.

For as many years we have been able to stop the keylogger programs with security programs.

My questions:
Does W-10 key log for sure?
How do we stop W-10 from key logging?
Just because Microsoft has made their new operating to include key logging doesn't make a key logger program a good thing. To me it's still a unwanted bad thing.

For Windows Insiders and the Win 10 preview, there definitely was a keylogger installed. For the consumer, there still is but it isn't quite as draconian and there are some options to leesen its impact. The sad part is MS, in a rare display of honesty (even though it was only to cover their collective backsides), states so in the TOS one has to agree to before installing Win 10 so your only real options are to activate Win 10 or don't activate it, essentially telling MS to shove it, you will go elsewhere.

 

[townsbg]

Yea I reloaded Vista a couple weeks ago and it's a good os
I wasn't on it very long way back in 2009 before I got a free Acer win-7 upgrade disk and loaded it
But it is pretty good
I made a system image of it after I reloaded it in case I ever needed to restore it

I'll have to say I like it better than 7 and I'll hate to see it go however I would be happy to run 7. Now if I wanted to install windows I would install 7 due to the lack of support for Vista.

How do we stop W-10 from key logging?

I'm not sure how we would know of or stop keylogging done at the OS level.:devil:

 

[Layback Bear]

I understand to some degree with a free version of W-10 Microsoft can dictate and get away with it.

With the paid for version of W-10 I do wonder if Microsoft will be able to get away with such spyware that comes with the operating system.
Then again, most people won't even know what comes with their new computer and operating system. Most of the Tom and Jane buyers don't ever know what a keylogger program is.
That is exactly what Microsoft is banking on.

My understanding is the Enterprise edition has a option to turn off the keylogger.
To me that means that people with proper knowledge don't want and will not put up with a keylogger program, no matter who is trying to use it.

This is just my understanding and opinion.

 

[townsbg]

I don't see how free versus paid would impact things. Most people are either going to get it as a 7 upgrade or pre-installed and therefore not have to pay anything out of pocket anyway. How can you say that it is alright for them to use keylogging just because they gave it away? To me that's not the only reason for me to stay away from it. I've read about them having the ability to uninstall programs and turn on your webcam. It's obviously tracking what users do according to an article Shawn posted. All of this is very bold of them but if it is in the EULA and people accept the terms then the end user doesn't really have any choice but to accept it or get another OS.

 

[Layback Bear]

Please read my post again.

I did not post that it is okay for Microsoft to use a key logger.

 

[townsbg]

But you did differentiate between paid and non-paid in your post. I'm not sure why so can you explain?

 

[Layback Bear]

I'm thinking the attitude of Microsoft with free W-10 is; they can do what they want because it's free. The question might be; does one have the right to complain if they are not paying for it. Each will have their own opinion.

Kind of like.
Should one complain about the greens on a golf course if they are playing for free.
Whether that is a good or bad idea is up to opinions.

If I personally had control, I would have Microsoft put their best foot forward in a friendly way and see if people liked my product enough to buy it.

Microsoft sold over a Billion Windows 7, maybe more without playing silly games with customers.

Example would be the term Free. Sounds great until one reads the fine print.
W-10 is free for the first 30 days. If you decide to use it longer it will cost you one of your Windows 7 or 8 COA keys. Now the free part is gone. It cost you a COA key which wasn't free.

Microsoft seem to think that is okay because one took advantage of the free offer.
I'm not saying Microsoft's attitude and methods are wrong for the world, they are just wrong for me.

I tried W-10 free and decided it wasn't for me. I got rid of W-10 before the 30 days was up.
I will continue to watch how people adjust to the SOLD version of W-10 and how Microsoft adjust their new operating system to the markets need and wants.

I will be monitoring the good, bad and ugly and decide if I will buy it or not.
We still have the choice to buy or not to buy when the retail versions hit the market.
I, myself, and me will just wait and see how thing go with W-10. Just like I did with moving from XP to Windows 7. I must admit after learning how well Windows 7 worked for so many the move from XP to Windows 7 was a no brainier.

Simple; the free W-10 was a marketing ploy that many fell for.

I'm not a W-10 hater.
I'm not a Windows 7 lover.
They are just both operating system that I do or do not choose to use.
I have tried many Linux and haven't found one I liked or would work properly for me.

If a moderator thinks my post is out of place please just move it to a proper place if their is one for such a post.

This post is just my thoughts and opinions.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

That's kindasorta like saying you have to touch the stove for yourself to see if it will burn you after many people have already told you it will burn you. I can understand your view, though, considering all the controversy over Win 10.

Not really Jeannie I did try it last year when it was released and when I saw the apps/panel/tiled look I felt really disappointed because to me it was just a rehash of that shambolic 8, and one of the two machines I did try it on dropped it's bundle almost immediately. So I took off the 10 from both machines because of that and all the controversy around privacy which was my biggest beef and even now I am still unsure of that issue.

I don't know if you have seen some of the stuff I have posted in here re 10 since then but I have copped a lot of flak and was even openly berated for my views on the system - quite rudely as it was, although some members (most I know quite well) were understanding and stated that my concerns were in deed not unreasonable.

Anyway time goes on and watching what was going on re the development of the system that I personally think was released far to early and was full of bugs and that some things had been ironed out a little I thought it was time to try it again.

So now I have two laptops in dual boot mode - on clones of the original drive of the 7 OS and one I run in Classic Shell the other I run in the default GUI. I have to say that the privacy issue is still not sitting with me well and so I am just using the 10 OS for forum and general program work - no personal data or emails are on either machine. Now apart from how they are set up I find the system not that bad as long as I get rid of most of the annoying app panels at Start up and have just kept Control Panel, This PC (Computer) and command prompt etc stuck there anything else goes on the taskbar so it uncluttered.

The settings I have set to what I want and I do keep checking back to make sure that some update has not changed them back again - the update issue is of course non negotiable, and I do find a sneaky way of M$ getting into your machine. For me this is the best way of me finding out just what the system is about though I do still use 7 as my main OS. I don't use Edge as my default browser because I am not overly keen on it and have stuck to Chrome. Just a couple of other things I do not like is Cortana and also anything cloud based if I can help it as I do like to keep my data on my own drives and hopefully out of the reach of anyone who should try to access it.

All in all it seems to be a 100% better than when it first came out and is genuinely faster to run but as I said I am just trying it out and am not abandoning 7 at all and if the dual boots can be run as I think they should be then I shall keep them as is until I have proof that I am being watched then it is just a matter of flipping the original drives back in and carrying on with just 7 though with the announcement re Outlook and the forthcoming demise of WLM I now also have Thunderbird as my alternate mail because that is one feature (WLM) I do object to losing.

Lastly I do have Linux Mint set up on another drive for the old Toshiba and if worst comes to the worst then I can use that though it now has started to have security problems

 

[townsbg]

I used one of the tech previews and I was on the fence about installing 10 on a VM once it came out but I didn't like the UI although I appreciate the partial return of the start menu. I really don't like cortana either, the cloud integration, the bing integration, and the lack of control over updates so when I read about the privacy concerns that did it for me. I have a mac but I have thought about putting 7 on it so I've decided that I'll never have 10 on it-I am not giving up my 7 key for it. My mom bought a rebuilt computer with 7 on it and I did not update it to 10 either. If M$ does not at the least remove the spyware from their systems then I can't see myself moving past 7 on my own system or VMs.

Ironically when 7 came out I was happy with Vista and not too thrilled with the 7 beta or RC so I was going to skip 7 however I couldn't pass up the pre-order sale. Now I am glad I didn't. If you give up a serial for 7 in order to upgrade to 10 can you get it back if you decide to downgrade later?

 

[SCANNERMAN777]

Meditate on this wisdom

Heck, six cores on Sandybridge-e gives me all the bandwidth I need. The biggest attraction of the Asus X99-E WS/USB 3.1 is 12 SATA ports (14 if the two e-SATA ports on the rear aren't shared with two of the SATA ports, USB 3.1 (Gen 2) , more USB 3.0 (technically, it's called USB 3.1 Gen 1 now) and, effectively, 64 PCI-e lanes (x16, x8, x8, x8. x8, x8, x8) providing plenty of room for future expansion, such as add on cards for more USB ports, Thunderbolt (if that ever gets off the ground and the prices gets out of the clouds), more SATA ports (if I wind up using SATA Express ports for front panel USB 3.1 Gen 2), whatever new technology that comes down the pike, etc.

The more I read Lady Fitzgerald's posts the more sense she makes over time. Has anyone looked at the new Broadwell E releases and seen the preposterous prices Intel is charging for a less than a 20% increase in over all performance???

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I finally was able to recently glom on to two ASUS X99-E WS/USB 3.1 MOBOs (one will be a spare) but decided to get a Haswell-e CPU i7-5930) instead of Broadwell-e because, besides Broadwell-e not having any improvement over Haswell-e for me, I'm afraid MS may pull the same stunt they did with Skylake when they told people, including many who had already bought it, that they would be forced to upgrade to Win 10 before their current OS reached EOL or the support they had been promised would be reduced.

Frankly, I don't trust MS any further than I could throw Sadist Nutella (Satya Nadella).

 

[SCANNERMAN777]

Congratulations! The prices on those MOBOS are slowly dropping and I DO mean slowly. It's hard enough to find them in stock as it is. I'm humored that you went with the 5930 because that's what I was seriously looking at last night. You're definitely singing my song when it comes to Microsoft. I'm not impressed with the recent stunts Intel is pulling off either. The outrageous prices on the new Broadwell E chips are more than double the forecasted numbers before Broadwell E was officially released on the retail market and it would seem that my concerns about the whole Broadwell E thing were indeed valid. I'm so disgusted with this Intel/Microsoft Windows 10 ploy I've half a mind to go Linux/AMD. Intel needs to get their head out of Clouds and realize that North America is practically heading for a 3rd. World Economy status. I highly doubt that they will see the sort of volume in sales that will justify the prices they are asking for their Broadwell E chips. But I'm tired of waiting for ZEN and like you, I want those 12 SATA ports. This might be my last personal Microsoft/Intel build.

 

[townsbg]

To be fair we really can't assume that M$ and Intel have any kind of arrangement but it is certainly suspicious. I still doubt that Intel will block the use of any OS but Windows 10 but that doesn't mean that they will have drivers for 7. If that's the case users can still install 7 and get most of the functionality.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

To be fair we really can't assume that M$ and Intel have any kind of arrangement but it is certainly suspicious. I still doubt that Intel will block the use of any OS but Windows 10 but that doesn't mean that they will have drivers for 7. If that's the case users can still install 7 and get most of the functionality.

This article says MS and Intel indeed do have a relationship. Since this article was written, MS delayed implementing the reduced support by a year due to enterprises raising a ruction over MS' and Intel's (may they roast) dastardly action.

 

[SCANNERMAN777]

They have enough of a relationship going that I've been wondering if they aren't planning on a merger. Even when I tried to reactivate Intel's Matrix Storage on a re-installation of Vista for RAID 1 on my daughter's PC Intel advised me that the o/s didn't support the program. Funny... The o/s supported it for well-over two years beforehand without issue. Go figure. One hand washes the other.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

They have enough of a relationship going that I've been wondering if they aren't planning on a merger. Even when I tried to reactivate Intel's Matrix Storage on a re-installation of Vista for RAID 1 on my daughter's PC Intel advised me that the o/s didn't support the program. Funny... The o/s supported it for well-over two years beforehand without issue. Go figure. One hand washes the other.

I'm not so sure that one hand doesn't know what the other is...ah...doing. :sarc:

 

[SCANNERMAN777]

One would think one would be so accommodating. Evidently both are happy to accommodate one another's greed but methinks they are both about to discover the extent to which they would overclock the monetary system. I have to hand it to M$ though, they evidently had the foresight to hoodwink millions into thinking that what they already paid for is "free" while at the same time convincing them to hand over ownership of their PCs to Microsoft in exchange for this "free" usage. Probably one of the best played scams in the history of Win-doze.

 

[ThrashZone]

x99 and 5930k is a good combo
I was going to get another one except my little Acer is doing so well I figured I'd ride it till it drops
This is it's 7th year in operation has 7 and 10 on it
Although I do not use 10 at all.