Solved what happened to Blackviper.com ?

[Vineet Garg]

hi to All,
sir(s),
what has happened to the great services tweaking adviser site :
Black Viper's Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations | Black Viper | www.blackviper.com
i tried different DNS servers both @ router and my pc , tried other ISPs but all in vain ! every time the result is quite same from last two weeks

"Show saved copy" is not very fruitful. is there any way to inform him or could anybody take this intiative ? (my pc is working good but i intend to help myself and others on the topic !)

Thanks and Regards,
Vineet Garg.

[ EDIT : the site is functional again and now, the only source/destination to access the content!]

 

[Barman58]

It appears to be down, possibly due to the site being maintained or maybe the site is closed due to the changes to operating systems since XP which meant that tweaks to system services were actually likely to degrade performance so were not needed on Vista, Windows 7, and were definitely superfluous on Windows 8 & 10.

It has gone down before so may come back up or not if the site is not making money enough to pay for the server time

 

[Vineet Garg]

The site was quite good for windows 7 !

hi Barman,
thanks for the quick reply, BUT...

"maybe the site is closed due to the changes to operating systems since XP which meant that tweaks to system services were actually likely to degrade performance so were not needed on Vista, Windows 7, and were definitely superfluous on Windows 8 & 10."

1. The site presents service configurations for each of the OSs in seperate sections as they differ. Even the services in same names differ in functions from one to the other. For eg. the 'RPC Locator' which was a help to 'RPC' in previous OSs is merely of compatability assistance in windows 7! and there are new exclusions /inclusions as well.
2. i don't know much about XP, Vista, 8 & 10 but it (site) seems quite useful in Windows 7. why should i have services/ features enabled which i am not using or plan to ? besides, there are many old laptops which want to run win 7, even older than me !
3. and even if it is of no use, it is good enough to go through, at least for the novice users like me , so many information at one spot !

Thanks and Regards,
Vineet Garg.

 

[Barman58]

All independent tests that have been performed since XP, which did benefit from service tweaks, have concluded that the tweaks performed on the NT series 6 Operating systems, (Vista to 10), are either neutral or negative, so are best left as they come from Microsoft.

Microsoft actually purchased some data from Black Viper to aid with the development of Project Longhorn, (that eventually morphed into Vista ), so a lot of the good tweaks that were effective in XP were already in Vista.

Even though a user may decide they will never need a service some software developer may design a piece of software, and assuming that the service will be running the developer will "Borrow" the functionality provided by the service for an unrelated task/

The general consensus amongst IT professionals is it's best to let the OS handle the services it needs. If you feel you must remove a service, set it to manual start from automatic and never to disabled to cover for the unexpected.

It the same with a lot of users complain about the amount of memory that W& etc use compared with XP, this is by design and rather than wasting memory it is actually using memory that would otherwise be wasted.

The ideal is to use as much memory as possible without ever actually running out, which is the way that modern systems are designed

 

[Vineet Garg]

Great Stuff Sir !

Hi Barman sir,
Thanks for the quick and prompt reply, its really great stuff , but i would be back with some of my queries/problems on the same topic and look for your kind help !

Thanks & Regards.

 

[Callender]

I first noticed that is was down last week. Assuming that you want to know default service settings extract the attached file and drag it into a new tab in your browser.

View attachment Black Viper’s Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations.zip​

 

[LMiller7]

In the past I have disabled some services that I thought were not needed, but were. I have no desire to down that road again, considering that the gains are so marginal. The problem is that there is no public documentation anywhere that fully describes what each service does. Black Viper has no access to such documentation and must rely on published information, which is not complete. Some services are known to do more than documented. A particular issue with Windows 10 is that this may change with any update. You can't expect Microsoft to advise of changes in undocumented behavior.

 

[Vineet Garg]

OK, service tweaking is not right but for fun ?

hi to all,
Sir(s),
Thanks for quick responses BUT...
1) @ Callender , Thanks sir, but i am interested in deep information segment ! i.e. descriptions of each service by BlackViper [EDIT : surprisingly, when you go in deeply, it recommends to change settings other way! for eg: WLAN AutoConfig, Windows Driver foundation,etc. so its very important to go in speciifc descriptions for each service ]

2) @ LMiller7 & Barman58 , Thanks for prompt responses. it's great stuff and my mind has started to drift away from the services' tweaking idea but i can't tell !

Thanks & Regards.

 

[Callender]

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1) @ Callender , Thanks sir, but i am interested in deep information segment ! i.e. descriptions of each service by BlackViper

See here: Black Viper’s Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations – Black Viper | www.blackviper.com

 

[Layback Bear]

Just my thought and opinion.

Years ago I tinkered with Black Viper Services recommendation.
All tinkering proved useless or damaging.

Microsoft know what services do what and when. As far as I know Microsoft has not released what services link to what and in what fashion. I doubt that anybody besides Microsoft really knows.

If one tinkers with services this tutorial by Brink will guide you back to default setting for services in Windows 7.

Services - Restore Default Services in Windows 7

Jack

 

[Barman58]

Jack - Just FYI

If you open services, click on a service, and right click and select properties there is a dependencies Tab - this shows the services that need to be running for the service selected to work correctly, and also those that require the selected service to be running in order to run. This can be useful if you have a particular service that will not start - checking if all the services required to be running are running can be a good way to troubleshoot.

Of course as you say the actual reason for why these interlinks are required is only available to a select few inside Microsoft

 

[Vineet Garg]

Actually, this answers the thread (@ Callender) !

Hi to All,
Sir(s),
now i am mature enough to understand that its of no use tweaking with services, but while preparing for that i have come across many basic facts and principles !
1. @ callender : great work sir it actually answers the thread ! i could not have thought about this type of a solution , thanks again,
Black Viper’s Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations – Black Viper | www.blackviper.com

2. @ Layback Bear : thanks sir, great stuff , great help !
Services - Restore Default Services in Windows 7

[EDIT:1. i had to go for two changes ie (a) FDR PUB> start from manual to auto, as said by Brink and BV; (b). Windows Defender service from disabled to auto,delayed.2. BITS should start as Auto Delayed as said by Brink & my pc , but black viper says it to be Manual, at least not for my runinig pc ! it probably take cares for things running automatically in the background, security apps, windows updates,etc. 3. Security Center service is told to be logged on local service on windows 7 by Brink & my pc but, BV says it to be local system !4. facing problems finally i went for uninstalling Windows Defender in win 7 How To Disable, Uninstall or Remove Windows Defender • Raymond.CC ]

3. @ Barman58 : Thanks sir, good stuff again, right in the root, but what it says "Jack - Just FYI " ?

Thanks & Regards,
Vineet Garg.

 

[Barman58]

FYI = For your Information - Jack is @Layback Bear - just ancillary info for answers to his post and general info to help anyone looking for links between services

 

[umopapisdn]

All independent tests that have been performed since XP, which did benefit from service tweaks, have concluded that the tweaks performed on the NT series 6 Operating systems, (Vista to 10), are either neutral or negative, so are best left as they come from Microsoft.

Unfortunately, my own independent testing has proven over and over (since windows became an operating system) that I can reduce DPC latency and thereby improve the quality of professional audio post production (in-the-box) by using these tweaks that are deemed neutral/negative. This is not the vast majority of the market share for Microsoft and as a specialized purpose, the only really good source of information for "tweaking" the Windows operating system closer to RTOS for processing an audio data stream was found at BlackViper's website. If the site is gone, it will be missed by music producers... globally! A huge benefit under the hood goes unnoticed by those not relying on it for their purpose. Microsoft know what processes need to run, and when, but they don't seem to consider what processes need to stop during music production.

Thanks to BlackViper for all the music you helped bring into the world by freely sharing your wealth of information for all these years. Your site will be missed by specialized PC builders like me.

 

[Barman58]

I totally agree that for specialist purposes it may be required to fine tune the system load used by services, (my history includes a lot of work using windows to control Industrial processes- Including critical processes Enviromental management, Nuclear monitoring, Etc).

Windows XP did need a lot of tweaking on the services side, which for general use is no longer needed on modern operating systems - If anyone wishes to try to gain advantage by tweaking services then that is their perogitive - and I wish them good luck

I just try to warn users to not expect the kind of improvements seen under XP when the whole services ecosystem was in it's infancy

 

[Callender]

FYI - site is back up.

Black Viper’s Windows 7 Service Configurations – Black Viper | www.blackviper.com

 

[SoulWriter]

BV is just a know it all

 

[Malneb]

BV is just a know it all

Lol?

 

[flavallee]

This is posted on the BlackViper site:

As of August 2023, I no longer publicly host any and all of my Windows Services Configurations, as some were wildly out of date and others were simply no longer valid.
Many hours are still required for me to maintain the quantity of pages and keep the content available, however I no longer have the desire or time to do so.
All Windows information and guides are removed to return the domain back to what I originally intended in 1999.

 

[townsbg]

I found on another thread the way back link: Black Viper’s Windows 7 Service Pack 1 Service Configurations – Black Viper | www.blackviper.com