New ~$1,500 gaming/everyday build: Intel Skylake forcing me go to AMD?

[looked]

Good morning to everyone,
I know this question has been asked millions of times but I think that my requirements are a bit different.

I was looking to build a Skylake system the usual parts everyone knows, then I found that I'll have compatibility problems if trying to install Windows 7, and I don't want to install Windows 8 nor 10.

So I thought why not Haswell? Well I love it BUT there is no availability in my area (Victoria- Australia) and I prefer not to buy from Amazon and similar sites because delivery fees will kill my savings.

Then I thought why not AMD?
So what do you guys think?
Can you set a system from PcPartPicker? System Build - PCPartPicker Australia

As you'll see many Haswell compatible parts don't have the price which means no availability.
I usually do gaming also many more things like internet, play streaming, some casual ripping/copying and video editing.

So I need the box without the PSU since I already have a Corsair HX 650W PSU, I think it's enough
For the case I like the CoolerMaster CM690 because it's affordable, it has plenty space inside and BIG fans already included.

Thanks in advance for help!

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Well the only thing missing is a usb3 driver
If you use a dvd with win-7 it should install fine skylake that is
Otherwise asus like other manufactures are making utilities to create the media to install 7 with
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https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1015837/

 

[AddRAM]

There`s no problem installing Windows 7 on a Skylake rig, look at my specs.

You have to choose what motherboard and cpu you want and we`ll go from there. We have no idea how much you want to spend on those 2 items.

I suggest an Asus Z170 board and a i7 6700K or i5 6600K and a non K version would be even cheaper.

and for a video card you`ll want at least a 1060, but a 1070 would be that much better.

and I recommend Corsair or GSkill memory, 8 GB`s is OK, 16 GB`s would be best.


Research, Research, Research

 

[Layback Bear]

Intel and Asus still have the X99 motherboard and cpu combination available.

Jack

 

[Mellon Head]

AMD will save you money, but I don't think that you will get the performance out of it that you will with an Intel rig. I am a long time AMD user, and if you look at my specs, I have a pretty good system (I think).

Problem is, my i7 4790 at work runs circles around it. Hard to justify a new AMD build for myself with that in mind. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Layback Bear]

Just my opinion.

You pay less for AMD and you get less.

If AMD worked better than Intel I would be using AMD.

Jack

 

[essenbe]

What he said.
Plus, look at some of the Z170 boards from Asus. (For Example:
Asus Z170-A)

If you can't install Windows 7 on a Skylake rig, why do they provide Windows 7 drivers? Of course you can install Windows 7.

 

[looked]

Hi,
Well the only thing missing is a usb3 driver
If you use a dvd with win-7 it should install fine skylake that is
Otherwise asus like other manufactures are making utilities to create the media to install 7 with
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Thanks for the trick, I'll keep this for emergency in case the DVD won't suffice.

You have to choose what motherboard and cpu you want and we`ll go from there. We have no idea how much you want to spend on those 2 items.

My budget is around $1,500 but I can stretch a bit if necessary.

I suggest an Asus Z170 board and a i7 6700K or i5 6600K and a non K version would be even cheaper.

I read that motherboards with the Z170 chip have technical problems, but these are news about 2015, maybe Asus and other manufacturers fixed it?

for a video card you`ll want at least a 1060, but a 1070 would be that much better.
and I recommend Corsair or GSkill memory, 8 GB`s is OK, 16 GB`s would be best.

Can you choose from PcPartPicker web site?
I think that the 6600K is good enough even if it costs around $30 more than the non K version.

Intel and Asus still have the X99 motherboard and cpu combination available.
Jack

I didn't see any on the Australian web shops.

AMD will save you money, but I don't think that you will get the performance out of it that you will with an Intel rig. I am a long time AMD user, and if you look at my specs, I have a pretty good system (I think).

Problem is, my i7 4790 at work runs circles around it. Hard to justify a new AMD build for myself with that in mind. Your mileage may vary.

I've read too many reviews and found most of the time people just sympathize with Intel without being able to explain a reason, as well as I've seen too many computer generated comparison tests overall showing better 10-15% performance for Intel without taking in consideration the huge price difference.
And I've watched many gaming screenshots from both Intel and AMD and frankly speaking I can't see any difference.
What I know for sure is that years ago Microsoft was "pushing" its marketing to the edge by saying that Windows is a multitasking OS so I thought the multicore AMD would win hands down, BUT now there is another trend by Intel (and fans following....) that Intel offers the most of its power on one core SO programs would benefit thus AMD is a loser!!
By the way, lets see the parts for an Intel build then I decide.

 

[looked]

What he said.
Plus, look at some of the Z170 boards from Asus. (For Example:
Asus Z170-A)

On the PcPartPicker Australia web site it's mentioned but there is no price while by looking at the online store there are too many variants E, M-E, S, P, K, MPlus, AR and sorry if I missed some!
Asus Z170 state:vic - Shopping and Price Comparison Australia - Buy Cheap

If you can't install Windows 7 on a Skylake rig, why do they provide Windows 7 drivers? Of course you can install Windows 7.

It's possible and in fact now they provide the tools for installing it.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
More than half computers are still using win-7 so most manufactures did make these utilities plus other geeks made ways to create the media themselves too manually
Create a Windows 7 USB flash installation with new drives for new MB's
Updating win-7 is another story
Clean install refer to post #2 here
windows update

 

[Layback Bear]

looked

Please don't misunderstand me.

If you want AMD, then by all means get a AMD.
My choice to use Intel is exactly that; my choice.
You will have to make your choice.

If you want AMD we have several AMD users on this forum that could help with that choosing which AMD products might be best for your needs.

Some of my choices for hardware are based on my experience with certain brands and other members recommendation based on their experience.

I just ordered all the hardware for a new build. It took about two weeks of research, help from members here and lots of online reviews to finally make my choices.
It takes me longer to finalize a list that it does to build the system.

The big things to me is reputation, quality, and value of what I buy.
Those things vary from person to person.

Good luck with your choices and take your time choosing.

Jack

P/S:
I must believe that their must be other places you can get computer hardware other than PcPartPicker. That is where research is needed.

 

[AddRAM]

John should be able to help you.

http://www.sevenforums.com/member.php?u=119834

 

[looked]

looked

Please don't misunderstand me.

If you want AMD, then by all means get a AMD.
My choice to use Intel is exactly that; my choice.
You will have to make your choice.

It has to be a choice made of technical and practical relevance contrary to what I've seen in most of the forums, people party for one brand just because they need to show they are part of the best group op people, that is why I need to research because I have no chance to use and compare both Intel and AMD, well..... I still have a system with the myth Athlon A and ABIT, but that is another story.

So right now I need a system that will last and I'll be happy with it.

I must believe that their must be other places you can get computer hardware other than PcPartPicker. That is where research is needed.

Yes I visit that web site because I need to research but I'm not limited to that, and I know what are the major shops that I already have dealt with.
The problem is that I was looking at the Haswell but the only motherboards I can find are mini ATX and I really dislike them.
Another reliable shop lists what I might want but almost of the stuff is listed as pre-order.
If you know many computer shops here are managed by Asian people so I guess they wait the end of the Chinese New Year before ordering new stuff, maybe I just have to wait.
But if it has to be Skylake, no problem.

 

[Layback Bear]

I and as far as I know, nobody on this forum cares what brand you choose.
All we do is give suggestion and are reason for such suggestions.
This forum doesn't have sections for Intel and AMD. What ever you choose is find with everybody here as far as I know.

I have used AMD and Intel. I chose to stay with Intel.
Once again choose what ever you want. We will still be here to give help if you request it.
What ever brand you choose.

Jack

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
For the most part the original question has been answered
he questioned installing win-7 on skylake and to that the answer is yes 7 can be installed on skylake

 

[looked]

Hi,
For the most part the original question has been answered
he questioned installing win-7 on skylake and to that the answer is yes 7 can be installed on skylake

Well, yes and not, I still need to choose the parts for a ~$1,500 box

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Well that is the fun part
If you can try to get an asus I doubt it really matter which one but feel free to post which ever you're most interested in with price in mind of course but all or at least most z170's are fairly cheap but store/ site stock looks like it going to rule the shopping day

 

[AddRAM]

Maybe we could each post a pic of our motherboards and what cpu we have and what we paid for it for you to look at and compare, sound ok

I have an Asus Sabertooth Z170 Mark 1 and my cpu is an Intel i7 6700K

The Motherboard was $269, the cpu was $264, it was $264 because Microcenter always puts new cpu`s on sale for awhile

And here are the links to each of those products.

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Intel Core i7-6700K 8M Skylake Quad-Core 4.0 GHz LGA 1151 91W BX80662I76700K Processor-Newegg.com

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Win 7 & 8.1 will work on Skylake rigs but you will have to upgrade to Win 10 in 2018 (I think it's in October) or you will no longer get any MS updates. Originally , MS and Intel announced the deadline was going to be in 2017 (after many people already had Skylake systems, one reason I'm building an X99 rig with a Haswell chip instead of waiting for Skylake-e and I'm going to be through with MS after 01/2020) but enough of a stink was raised over it that MS moved the deadline back a year.

 

[ThrashZone]

MS will support skylake till the end of life of win-7
Besides all this so called support is making chipset drivers available through the update system and who in the heck uses MS chipset drivers