Hi people, I have a doubt

[RolandJS]

SomeoneWonders -- You personally are not stupid nor do you belong in the stupid category. You are behaving rightly **. To me, what others are calling stupid is the belief that privacy is maintained by VPN usage. My guess is that almost all VPN providers collect user and usage data. Many of those "almost all" in-house use the collected data and/or sell the collected data to interested third parties of their choosing. **You are using such as a defense, I want to learn more from you and others using VPNs, because I have never used tunneling/VPN. Tell me more about the defense.

 

[SomeoneWonders]

SomeoneWonders -- You personally are not stupid nor do you belong in the stupid category. You are behaving rightly **. To me, what others are calling stupid is the belief that privacy is maintained by VPN usage. My guess is that almost all VPN providers collect user and usage data. Many of those "almost all" in-house use the collected data and/or sell the collected data to interested third parties of their choosing. **You are using such as a defense, I want to learn more from you and others using VPNs, because I have never used tunneling/VPN. Tell me more about the defense.

There is not much to say about the defense. I know hackers can still attack me and/or know my location even if I use VPN. However, as the majority of internet users are non-savvy people, I consider that using a VPN is a defense. In any case, using VPN is better than nothing. Or would it be better to go around buck naked? I am sure you understand my point. I don't like people knowing my location, not even people that are supposedly harmless, because you never know. I can only advise people to use VPN.

 

[file3456]

Thanks for all your information. I heard a lot about FTP before, but never tried it.



This link doesn't open (it shows: "Error 1005 Ray ID: 62d33461fc4853f8 Access denied"), so I can't read anything.

CloudFlare blocked you for a certain reason. Could be a number of different reasons. The biggest would be a VPN.

 

[file3456]

We block loads of VPNs at this site due to them coming from low rent data centers that are the source of all sorts of attacks on us and I think F22 does the same.

I'm actually surprised you can view this site as you are coming in on a LeaseWeb IP and most of their data centers are on my shit list.

Do you block the ASNs? If so, you might be missing one.

 

[file3456]

LeaseWeb owns the datacenter that your VPN endpoint is currently come out of.

I appreciate not all VPN users are bad, IMO most of them are stupid as they are contracting out their privacy to some random company on the internet because they read on a website it makes their browsing safer, and they went along with that without a shred of evidence to prove their data isn't being harvested and sold which was the reason they wanted it in the first place.

Depends on what company you use. A lot of them are shit like shit web hosters and CDNs that don't care about spam emanating from their end points and what have you.

 

[z3r010]

Do you block the ASNs? If so, you might be missing one.

I mainly just block troublesome ones for registration and set a cloudflare JS challenge for viewing the site, we check every registration for coming from a datacenter and the troublesome ones go on to the list along with any datacenters that flag for large hack attempts in the Clouldflare logs.

 

[file3456]

There is not much to say about the defense. I know hackers can still attack me and/or know my location even if I use VPN. However, as the majority of internet users are non-savvy people, I consider that using a VPN is a defense. In any case, using VPN is better than nothing. Or would it be better to go around buck naked? I am sure you understand my point. I don't like people knowing my location, not even people that are supposedly harmless, because you never know. I can only advise people to use VPN.

I have also written here about how to chose a good VPN. LOL It would be in your best interest to read EVERYTHING I have written there. The links alone would teach you a few things.

A VPN is NOT some cure all. It largely depends on what you want to do with it. And it depends what company you are using. There are many other metrics involved where a VPN does absolutely nothing. Such as WebRTC leaks, canvas data, WebGL, the fonts you have installed, screen resolution, HTML5 local storage and the list goes on. All encompass metadata. You have to know about the technology and be very proactive to know how to help defeat it or at least mix in with the "noise."

About the VPN thing. I don't block VPNs per say. It's the hoster's. Your VPN has an IP address from a hoster that I block and as a consequence you're caught up in the mix. Chances are every single location you have there in your VPN is blocked. And when I say location I mean its own IP address tied to that location. I also block Tor on two levels. Hosters and CDNs are also blocked on two levels and a whole crap ton of other things I'll let the "hacker" figure out. If you were a contributing member to my own corner of the Internet I could open up one of your VPN IPs, but it'll have to pass a JS or captcha check every time you clear cookies. I just won't blanket white list the IP for possible future shenanigans from others. It's doubtful that one lone IP would be the source of anything, but I run a pretty tight ship with my website and computers and continue to add more security as a learn more but at the same time not create an inconvenience. Though, the VPN thing is a hard one. It's my hope that someone wanting to see something bad enough would just figure out to disconnect from the VPN to get passed the block. I think I can create a custom block page you see to indicate not to use the VPN with the website, but that's a higher paid for tier which I can't afford and certainly don't have the traffic to merit it. If you somehow found yourself blocked on the second level you'd have a better block page to go on.

I think you have to join cyberpcforum.com free before you can see it.

No, there's no subforum or otherwise that's viewable to members only except the Private subforum meant for Admin/Mod messages, and those messages are only viewable by you and any Admin or Mod. Currently I'm the only Admin and Mod. LOL!

 

[file3456]

I mainly just block troublesome ones for registration and set a cloudflare JS challenge for viewing the site, we check every registration for coming from a datacenter and the troublesome ones go on to the list along with any datacenters that flag for large hack attempts in the Clouldflare logs.

Very good. I take a more broad approach. I even query the AbuseIPDB API and if that IP is on the list and meets my confidence score it's 403ed. The Stop Forum Spam API is also queried. But that's just for logins and registrations as per SFS' terms.

 

[SomeoneWonders]

F22 Simpilot,

Unfortunately, even though I could learn a lot by reading the links you have indicated to me, as a matter of principle I am not willing to turn off my VPN to access it. I just don't have the habit of turning off my VPN and I always stick to this rule. However, if you are savyy to the point of knowing what my truly location is, I authorize you to publish it in here (not the IP address, but just the city and country), and in this case I will turn off my VPN to access those links. This, of course, is also a good way of testing the reliability of my VPN.

 

[SomeoneWonders]

A VPN is NOT some cure all. It largely depends on what you want to do with it. And it depends what company you are using. There are many other metrics involved where a VPN does absolutely nothing. Such as WebRTC leaks, canvas data, WebGL, the fonts you have installed, screen resolution, HTML5 local storage and the list goes on. All encompass metadata. You have to know about the technology and be very proactive to know how to help defeat it or at least mix in with the "noise."

I heard a lot before about the metadata that can turn you in. I just don't know everything in detail. Anyway, I think that my VPN has no WebRTC leaks, at least is what they claim.

 

[z3r010]

You think!!!



You are going to all the trouble of a VPN and you haven't even tested it does what you think you need protecting against

 

[SomeoneWonders]

You think!!!



You are going to all the trouble of a VPN and you haven't even tested it does what you think you need protecting against

Actually, you are inverting the situation! I trust the efficiency of my VPN, unless it is proved I am wrong. I am not going to assume the VPN doesn't work properly, if there is no reason that lets me suppose otherwise. If someone gives me reason to suppose otherwise, then I have no problem admitting I was wrong.

P.S. - For basic things such as not showing my truly location on chats, my VPN works properly.

 

[RolandJS]

"...I am not going to assume the VPN doesn't work properly, if there is no reason that lets me suppose otherwise. .." Sometimes, it is a very good idea to borrow from former President Ronald Reagan -- Trust but Verify. I wanted to verify a few AV AM AS programs after subscription-signing for a 1-3 years, and found one lacking -- when the subscription runs out, no renewal. Obviously, not everything works very well for everyone, one has to test, to verify, gently drop what is not working well, and keep what is working well. Again, Trust but Verify.

 

[SomeoneWonders]

"...I am not going to assume the VPN doesn't work properly, if there is no reason that lets me suppose otherwise. .." Sometimes, it is a very good idea to borrow from former President Ronald Reagan -- Trust but Verify. I wanted to verify a few AV AM AS programs after subscription-signing for a 1-3 years, and found one lacking -- when the subscription runs out, no renewal. Obviously, not everything works very well for everyone, one has to test, to verify, gently drop what is not working well, and keep what is working well. Again, Trust but Verify.

But I agree on that view. That's why I defied F22 Simpilot to tell me where I am. Maybe he has not the capability of finding out where people are, but... who knows. He seems savvy. What I don't agree with is the admin telling me I am going all the trouble for a thing I didn't test. He speaks as if I was obligated to click on a link without VPN (which I don't want to do), or as if I was supposed to distrust a VPN that never caused me trouble.

 

[file3456]

@F22 Simpilot,
However, if you are savyy to the point of knowing what my truly location is...

This is NOT what I said at all. You completely misunderstood what I said. Please quote what ever it is I said that you took out of context so that I can clarify.

I heard a lot before about the metadata that can turn you in. I just don't know everything in detail. Anyway, I think that my VPN has no WebRTC leaks, at least is what they claim.

WebRTC leaks are from the browser, not a VPN software...

 

[SomeoneWonders]

This is NOT what I said at all. You completely misunderstood what I said. Please quote what ever it is I said that you took out of context so that I can clarify.

I know that's not what you said. That's why I said:

Maybe he has not the capability of finding out where people are, but... who knows. He seems savvy.

It should also not be interpreted as if I said you claimed you were savvy, attention! But if you keep sending me links for me to click on them, I just wanted you to be aware of the fact that I am not going to click in anything with my VPN turned off, unless you know my location already. I do NOT disclose my location to anyone on free will, and I am not obligated to do so, that should be understood by everyone already. So please, and this is for all of you, don't talk to me as if privacy doesn't matter. Maybe for all of you it doesn't, but for me it does.

WebRTC leaks are from the browser, not a VPN software...

I believe you. This was probably my mistake. I got confused with something I read. Maybe they claimed something different. Thanks for telling me.

 

[file3456]

I don't care about your ultra secure location...

 

[file3456]

Actually, you can have my location. Just fly from RLG with a heading of about 053. Now intercept the DVV 315 radial and when you do that look for an orange glow of a surface to air missile. Then you'll know your near me. LOL

 

[Barman58]

:focus:


Getting back on -topic,

IMHO The original screenshot shows not users but Devices, the home routers that most users are provided with by their ISP use a small range of standard Network segments [SubNets] such as 192.168.0.0-255 or 192.168.1.0-255 which are part of the standard Private segments [these are blocked on the wider internet so only identify local devices.

What happens in a local area is several users [at household / small Medium businesses all end up using the same default segment. this results in all the devices on all of the identical network segment addresses showing on all the routers within communication range of each other.

The simple way to prevent this, [assuming the ISP allows the user access to the Router settings or you use your own], is to change the third segment to a less popular number than the 0 or 1 used by ISPs.

Eg. change the Segment address to 192.168.50.0-255 should remove the phantom devices.

Although the various devices will be visible on both networks that have the same segment addresses the passwords for access should prevent unwanted access to the devices on other networks.

There will be usually be more phantoms visible in a high density area such as a City or close to a small business that in a rural or small town area

 

[SomeoneWonders]

I don't care about your ultra secure location...

I think you care about my ultra secure location. If you didn't care, you would send me a screenshoot of the information that you wanted me to read in your link.

In other words, if I didn't click on your link the first time you sent me one, why would I click it when you sent a second link to me the second time?

It is exactly the fact that you insist that makes me even more suspicious. Instead, had you bothered to send me a screenshoot since you know I don't turn off my VPN under any circumstances, then maybe I would tell you where I am without fearing anything.

It may sound foolish, but I guarantee that if you had my experience of life, you would think just like me.