Modern Warfare 2 and Windows 7

[Nobax]

IW News: http://www.infinityward.com/news.php?id=3

 

[skunksmash]

just finished installing this game...

had some problems with Steam(ing POS) though , i just wouldn't update for hours, finally in the last few minutes the app has come online..


so, HAPPY DAYS.........first impressions.

EXCELLENT!!


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[hanksta2]

It's not that I'm trying to defend IW...I could care less about another corporation raking in billions of dollars. All I'm simply doing is reporting what I'm finding.

And what I find is mostly good. I'm having fun playing the game--although it's not the greatest FPS multiplayer of all time (I prefer BF2, the original TFC, or old school DoD).

BTW, what is "Serious FPS competitive experience"? I've been playing FPS multiplayers since Goldeneye...not sure if that counts. I missed the boat on the Doom DM from 1993...didn't have internet at my house back then...

 

[archie123]

What is with people defending IW and this game?

I think it's crap. Not because there is nothing good about it because it does have some good things about it. But it is not a good game because the P2P system is trash and opens the doors to every cheat ever known to the FPS world all at once.

The game only feels smooth because everyone else is lagging as bad as you are and they throttle the game to meet the speed of the slowest players. Basically what you have is a solid 100ms ping game that gives the illusion of a 30ms ping game. If you adjust your config to display more bars on the bing graph and then adjust how many ms the bars represent to 20 the graph will scale from 0-200ms each bar representing 20ms so you can get an accurate ping reading using the bars. What you will see is going to make you sick really. One game the host was using a program to throttle his upload to 10kb/s so that everyone had severe lag while he himself had none. You would get shot before you could see him and the game still felt like it was running fine and dandy with no lag yeah right no lag lol. This game is nothing but lag.

IW did a great job by removing the numerical ping display in favor of a VERY inaccurate bar graph that was intentionally set to show you a pretty picture of what is not actually happening. They did a lot to make you think your not lagging when in fact this is the laggiest FPS game on the market.

Enough about lag though. The downsides to this game far outweigh any positives and that is the problem. That is what makes this a bad game.

I don't expect anyone without serious competitive experience in PC FPS games to understand why this game is a complete disaster but it is that much I can assure you of. I would not recommend you buy this for the PC.

Now if you want to talk about the 360 version then sure it is a great game probably one of the best this year. But the game was designed to run on the 360 and ported to all the other platforms I expect it to run the way it was intended on a 360 and if you wanted to buy the game for 360 I would say go for it. The match making and ping match what you would expect on a 360 where as they do not on the PC version.

nobody is defending IW we just like the game thats it , you dont , thats fine too

ive played COD 1 cod 2 medal of honour 1 and 2 and counter strike source in ladders and leagues and ive played counter strike semi professionally , is that serious enough for you??

it doesnt matter if your ping is 20 or 200 if everyone has the same ping there is no lag the game feels smooth because it is . IW Net does a good job of packet handling ive had NO experiance of lag or feeling im at a disadvantage. I have 10 years experiance of online gaming i have a small idea what im talking about

yes its not perfect yes its open to abuse but the chances of coming across somebody throttling their upload (which after looking at the game files im not sure how he did much less beleive its true) are 1000's to one

yes dedicated servers would be better but after all the backlash the game got before its release it seems it was all misinformed and as for the thousands who said they would never buy it....well 90% of them bought it anyway and 80% of them are enjoying it

the game is well worth the cash....my opinion

 

[archie123]

just finished installing this game...

had some problems with Steam(ing POS) though , i just wouldn't update for hours, finally in the last few minutes the app has come online..


so, HAPPY DAYS.........first impressions.

EXCELLENT!!


​

some problems!! i had one major issue , i had a hard copy of the game but after trying to install it steam instead decided to download it lol i was pulling me hair out for a good half hour trying to sort that one out

glad you like it

 

[Cr00zng]

IW News:http://www.infinityward.com/news.php?id=3

Quote from the link:

Cheat / Hack Free Games: The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don’t have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server admin of the server to constantly be monitoring, banning, and policing it. Modern Warfare 2 on PC allows us to control the quality of the game much more than ever before as well as utilizing the VAC (Valve-Anti-Cheat) system to keep games clean of hackers and cheaters.

Based on early indication of the online game experience and hacks floating around for MW2, one could say that IWNET does not measure up to this claim.

The other aspect of the IWNET is UPnP requirement for the broadband, or any other NAT router. The MW2 multi-player application talks to your broadband router and if UPnP enabled, the application dynamically maps port forwarding between the computer and the Internet. This allows the computer becoming the host for the game instead of just being a client. While I am pretty sure that the MW2 application behaves well and signals to the router that the dynamic port forwarding is no longer necessary and can be removed, other applications may not behave as well.

From the security perspective UPnP can be viewed as a risk and there has been some exploits that take advantage of UPnP. That might be the reason why this is a feature that comes disabled on most, if not all broadband routers by default.

While it is certainly true UPnP can be a secure protocol, as long as you know and control the applications on your computer, for most people it's probably not the case. Way to go IW making the gaming community less secure with the UPnP requirement...

 

[hanksta2]

You can't ever be completely cheat free, unfortunately.

 

[DarkXeno]

You can't ever be completely cheat free, unfortunately.

Ah yes that's very true its a dream to be "cheater free".

 

[archie123]

IW News:http://www.infinityward.com/news.php?id=3

Quote from the link:

Cheat / Hack Free Games: The biggest benefit of using IWnet by far is the fact that you don’t have to worry about joining a server full of aim-bots, wallhacks, or cheaters. Or relying on the server admin of the server to constantly be monitoring, banning, and policing it. Modern Warfare 2 on PC allows us to control the quality of the game much more than ever before as well as utilizing the VAC (Valve-Anti-Cheat) system to keep games clean of hackers and cheaters.

Based on early indication of the online game experience and hacks floating around for MW2, one could say that IWNET does not measure up to this claim.

The other aspect of the IWNET is UPnP requirement for the broadband, or any other NAT router. The MW2 multi-player application talks to your broadband router and if UPnP enabled, the application dynamically maps port forwarding between the computer and the Internet. This allows the computer becoming the host for the game instead of just being a client. While I am pretty sure that the MW2 application behaves well and signals to the router that the dynamic port forwarding is no longer necessary and can be removed, other applications may not behave as well.

From the security perspective UPnP can be viewed as a risk and there has been some exploits that take advantage of UPnP. That might be the reason why this is a feature that comes disabled on most, if not all broadband routers by default.

While it is certainly true UPnP can be a secure protocol, as long as you know and control the applications on your computer, for most people it's probably not the case. Way to go IW making the gaming community less secure with the UPnP requirement...

I read a very long time ago that upnp was a bad thing . i downloaded and ran an app called universal plug and pray from the shields up website https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

still to this day i have upnp disabled according to that app yet i can still run cod mw2 so i am a little confused , i did however open my NAT it was previously set to strict and gave me issues getting into games , again im told this is a security issue but at the end of the day if i get stung its my own fault , the chances of it happening though are pretty slim imo

 

[KingMarduk]

I've got COD4 MW running on Windows 7 no problems, it actually runs alot better on Windows 7 and looks alot better than it did on Vista, so you shouldnt have any problems running MW2 on Windows 7.

 

[DarkXeno]

I read a very long time ago that upnp was a bad thing . i downloaded and ran an app called universal plug and pray from the shields up website https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

still to this day i have upnp disabled according to that app yet i can still run cod mw2 so i am a little confused , i did however open my NAT it was previously set to strict and gave me issues getting into games , again im told this is a security issue but at the end of the day if i get stung its my own fault , the chances of it happening though are pretty slim imo

See the problem with this is GRC wrote the article and program back when UPNP was first created. I do believe things have been changed around on how it works now. Im going to have to look into it tho.

 

[Cr00zng]

Unfortunately, there isn't much changed with the UPnP since the GRC article. While it is most certainly beneficial for end users with limited network knowledge having the devices/applications auto configure themselves, its security risk is just as real as it has been. The risk can be offset with utilizing layered security; however, for most end users that can be beyond their capabilities.

As long as the end users knows the application that utilizes dynamic port forwarding, or PAT, the UPnP can be useful and secure at the same time. If there's any malicious software, Trojan, worm, viruses, etc, that opens a hole in the router/firewall using UPnP, the end user has more serious issues than enabling UPnP on the router/firewall.

The IWNET will not show all the available game when the UPnP is disabled on the router/firewall and in addition, it prevents the computer in question to become the host for the online game as well. This is not perfect and IWNET can select the computer to be the host; on which case the game will never start and seems to be hung. Keep in mind that even with UPnP disabled, or strict mode, some inbound connection is still possible to the computer that can "fool" the IWNET servers. This is not something that other players will like but on the flip side, they'd never know what happen and blame the IWNET servers.

 

[The Apathetic]

I just finished MW2 yesterday on win7 x64, had absolutely no problems running the game, man the game was really short just like MW1.. Hopefully MW3 would be much longer than this -.-

 

[ZeesuS]

sounds like one of the games that ill download and try on single player and then make my decision do I buy it..

 

[hanksta2]

If was going to bitch about a game and a company, it would be Valve's "Left 4 Dead 2". They basically sold us L4D a year ago, told us they'd be adding new maps, characters, weapons, and monsters for free, and then repackaged said freebies and sold them to us AGAIN at full price a year later and called it a sequel.

 

[DarkXeno]

If was going to bitch about a game and a company, it would be Valve's "Left 4 Dead 2". They basically sold us L4D a year ago, told us they'd be adding new maps, characters, weapons, and monsters for free, and then repackaged said freebies and sold them to us AGAIN at full price a year later and called it a sequel.

Oh just wait, the rants will start soon on that one. The reason everyone is so bent on MW2 is due to the C.O.D. fan base that extends so far back and the online "clan" bases you have with it. L4D has only been out a year, if it had been out for years and had the same base at COD the uproar would be louder.
To me L4D was a test to see if people would buy/play also seemed way too rushed out the door leave tons of stuff not added. So when people bought and played and wanted more they took the stuff left over not used added some other things and pushed that out the door. I wouldnt be shocked to see L4D3 next year. I just had a thought that L4D will become like Pokemon every year another game, doing the same thing. Ok I did my rant...

 

[lnxtinman]

L4D2 is much better then the first........

 

[Static]

I agreed with you Hanksta, until I played and bought L4D2.

Left 4 Dead 1 was sort of its a pioneer. There hadn't been anything like it. So it makes sense that they didn't spend the extra cash in the beginning to prepare for upgrades to servers and other hardware IF the game took off.

That's why they couldn't implement like 90% of the new L4D2 features in L4D1.

Left 4 Dead 2 is an amazing game. It has everything we asked for from L4D1. Pretty much EVERY complaint the L4D community had, was addressed and fixed or at least balanced for their 2nd game.

Yes it sucks it wasn't capable to implement it into L4D1, and it sucks we had to wait. But my god, it is a beautiful game. Graphically, Gameplay wise, Balance, Competitively. It exceeds everything we imagined. And it excels because the company listened to its customers, and improved hugely from 1.

MW2 didn't listen to its customers. It tried to get new ones and make their game more Wii like so that "Anyone of any skill level" can play. They went for advertising and a wider customer base, instead of focusing on making the game better as to attract more customers on its own.

Instead of listening to the community and adding features from MW1 and making sure that they were always progressing, they decided to go a whole new direction completely ignoring all of our input.


Valve and L4D listened and tried to make their game better according to our wishes. They couldn't because of shoddy hardware and because they didn't anticipate the popularity of the game.

Infinity Ward and MW2 CHOSE to change things and ignore customer suggestions. They wanted to try a new angle. They hoped they were making progress. And I think it is still going to bite them in the butt.

 

[ZeesuS]

Static +1 Rep..

You seem to have read something about it..

 

[cloud8521]

acctually, i believe they did listen quite a bit. but dont you find it funny that the manual says there is a console? and that you can take screen shots? not to mention that they took so long to announce IW.net. i think it was tacked on last minute and they had no choice because of the higher ups from Activision, just what i am thinking