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[DWFII]

I think perhaps you set up a password to log back in which will cause nothing but problems in this respect.

I'm not sure what you're saying here...should I set up a password or not? And what about the username?

BTW!! FLASH!! I have the network up and I can see and upload files from the XP machine to the Win 7 machine. But I still cannot access files from the 7 box...it still wants a username and password to get into XP machine.

PS...my time and date are identical on the two systems...at least to within a minute or two. How precise does it have to be?

 

[chev65]

It's not the system date it's the BIOS date that needs to match the system time and date. You can only access that from the bios. Other than that I have covered every possible way to turn off the password prompts, including a few new ones that I never heard of before.

I already fixed your original problem which was that you attempted to create a Homegroup on a network that had different Op systems on it. That was the cause of your problems to begin with. At this point you are just trying to fix the original problem.

 

[acurasd]

Well, I know you dnt want passwords but if we go this way, then its just going to go round and round in circles.


I really sugguest that you add a password. I will tell you how to save all your passwords and have your computer automatically boot without enterin the password everytime. I assure you. If you follow my steps. Your computer will work with sharing.

 

[DWFII]

Well, I know you dnt want passwords but if we go this way, then its just going to go round and round in circles.


I really sugguest that you add a password. I will tell you how to save all your passwords and have your computer automatically boot without enterin the password everytime. I assure you. If you follow my steps. Your computer will work with sharing.

I am willing and I thank you for your willingness to make it clear. Just, please, understand--I am old and slow...

Please post the instructions, making sure that every step is clear and thorough and that the instructions are easy enough for a ten year old to understand. (sometimes people get in a hurry and leave out words or steps and then I get confused and back off. I don't want to find myself in the middle of a complex operation and scratching my head.)

And maybe I am obsessing...but I still don't know what to do about the username.

 

[acurasd]

For the XP Computer:

1) Restart the Computer
2) Hit F8 just before the Windows XP screen appears
3) Menu will appear, select "SAFE MODE"
4) Go into safe mode and "Administrator" will show up
5) Log into "Administrator"
6) Hit ALT, CTRL, DEL
7) Select Change Password
8) Don't put anything in the Old password; change new and save
9) Reboot

For the Windows 7:

1) Click on Start
2) type in "cmd" in the search
3) when "cmd" appears; right click and "run as administrator"
4) when the command prompt loads
5) type: net user administrator /active:yes hit enter
6) will say sucessful
7) log off your account your on...
8) when welcome screen comes on, you will see the administrator account
9) log into the administrator account
10) ALT, CTRL, DEL change password , leave old blank
11) change new to the same as the XP so its all the same
12) hit save... then log off...
13) Log back into your other user account...
14) go back into the "cmd" and "run as administrator"
15) type: net user administrator /active:no hit enter
16) this will make the administrator disapear from the welcome screen

Hope this helps.

if yo cannot locate the cmd.exe

it is locate in this folder:

c:\windows\system32\cmd.exe

 

[chev65]

What people end up doing is to use the same user name and password on all machines to avoid that password prompt. At least that way you still have a password to gain entry even if they are all the same.

Although the Password protected sharing option in Advanced Sharing settings toggled either on or off should take care of that for you, it doesn't seem consistant for some reason. If that is the only problem here there are many ways to accomplish the task.

I don't use user passwords so I havn't had to mess with any of that.

Heck man I already told him to do that ten posts ago. There is a perfectly good GUI for this, i'm not sure why you would need to use the cmd prompt but the GUI is pretty easy if you ask me.

Windows 7 User accounts and passwords can be worked with and modified using the GUI.
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/2974-user-accounts.html

Windows XP



Change password

1. Open Control Panel.
2. Double-click the Users Accounts icon.
3. Select the account you wish to change.
4. Select the option "Change my name" to change your username or "Create a password" or "Change my password" to change your password.

Note: Windows XP Home users can only change the Administrator password through Safe Mode.



Change username

1. Open Control Panel.
2. Double-click the Users Accounts icon.
3. Select the account you wish to change.
4. Click "Change My Name"
5. Enter the new name you wish to use and click the Change Name button.

These directions look a lot easier to me than messing with the cmd prompt.

 

[DWFII]

Thanks to both of you...

Chev,

Are the instructions you've given for Win XP? I am assuming they are but I want to be sure. I like not having to go into Safe Mode...I was dreading that simply because it messes up my desktop so badly.

And yes, I thank you kindly for your insights about HomeGroups--that seemed to help a lot.

Both,

Please tell me why I need to change the username and password on the Windows 7 machine? Is there no instance or circumstance where two people who are unrelated and have their own login and their own security demands might want to network their systems? Surely they would not opt to make both their usernames and passwords the same?

What is more, if I can see and access the Windows 7 computer, and it is not asking me for a log in to do that, why do I need to act as if it was? The windows 7 computer seems to be telling me that the XP computer needs a username and password. Not vice versa. And I am prepared to do that but I am of the old school that says if it's not broke don't mess with it.

I appreciate your relentless patience. I truly do.

 

[chev65]

Yes I think that setting up Homegroups on the Win 7 machine was the first problem which is now fixed.

The first link in blue is for Windows 7. The second procedure that is typed out is for XP.

I agree DW, that you should not have to do all that just to share without using passwords. I never needed to use any passwords at all in order to gain access from my XP to Win 7 machine so something isn't right here.

About all I can think of is that your time and date in bios may not be set correctly on the XP machine. You need to access bios for that. Usually hitting the delate key on boot up will get you there but your machine may use a different key to access bios. A previous forum member was just having the same problem as you with the passwords and setting the time an date fixed it for him.

Once in bios you need to check the time and date then reset them to the correct time. I would check this on the Win7 machine also then make sure that your system time and date are also correct. They don't need to be exact but if they are way off problems will occur like what you are seeing. Also there would be problems with Windows Update if the time and date aren't set correctly both in bios and your machine.

 

[DWFII]

Yes I think that setting up Homegroups on the Win 7 machine was the first problem which is now fixed.

The first link in blue is for Windows 7. The second procedure that is typed out is for XP.

I agree DW, that you should not have to do all that just to share without using passwords. I never needed to use any passwords at all in order to gain access from my XP to Win 7 machine so something isn't right here.

About all I can think of is that your time and date in bios may not be set correctly on the XP machine. You need to access bios for that. Usually hitting the delate key on boot up will get you there but your machine may use a different key to access bios. A previous forum member was just having the same problem as you with the passwords and setting the time an date fixed it for him.

Once in bios you need to check the time and date then reset them to the correct time. I would check this on the Win7 machine also then make sure that your system time and date are also correct. They don't need to be exact but if they are way off problems will occur like what you are seeing. Also there would be problems with Windows Update if the time and date aren't set correctly both in bios and your machine.

OK, I got that. I did that. I will have to wait for tomorrow morning to see if it worked. But while I was in there I wondered if one could simply create a new account/user just for networking...say something like a "guest" account...and give it similar permissions as a regular user?

You might get the impression that I don't want to mess with the bios if I don't have to. I have done a lot of that...years ago...partitioning HD's, editing the registry, writing macros, writing my own webpages with text editors, adding memory, swapping out PSU's, setting up scsi chains, etc.--almost everything a real computer wiz would do. But I'm tired of messing around like that...I've gotten to the point where I just want to use the computer and not fiddle with it.

If I have to go into the bios, I will, but I'd rather be making boots.

 

[DWFII]

Well, I did create a password for the XP computer...now I have to type it in everytime I boot the machine up (*#&*!). And while I can see and access the files on my Win 7 computer from the XP computer, now I'm not even getting a log in request on the Win 7 system...and it doesn't even list the XP computer as being part o the network.

Is there any hope? Or should I just chalk it up to another example of Microsoft's half-a**ed posturing?

 

[acurasd]

Alright... since you dont want to type up a password everytime you log into windows... this is what you do....


Windows 7/Vista:
Make Windows 7 or Vista Log On Automatically - the How-To Geek


Windows XP:
Configure Windows XP to Automatically Login

 

[SouthSeaPirate]

Now my XP machine wont get the 7 share.
Left HG, edited GP, turned off FW, have the correct settings on 7, created passwords... still nothing.... what a POS!

This OS is so great, but did they not test it to see if it had share issues?! Welcome back XP!!!!!!!!

 

[aem]

Hi DWFII, i'm just skimming thru the pages but not sure what the status is with the issue. Can you summary what you need?

 

[DWFII]

Hi DWFII, i'm just skimming thru the pages but not sure what the status is with the issue. Can you summary what you need?

Well, thank you for your time..

So far I have created a password for the XP machine (and I still have it set up so that I have to log into the XP machine whenever I start it)

I have the XP machine seeing the Win 7 machine but although I was able to upload files to the Win 7 machine a day or two ago, I cannot to so today--I get a "network path was not found" message. And when I run the network connection wizard it comes up with the radio button next to "do not share files and printers" checked....even though I ran it yesterday and turned it on.

I have the 7 machine seeing the XP machine but when I try to access files on the XP machine I am asked for a username and password. When I start my XP machine I am asked for a password and my username is already entered DW). That account is also an administrative account (maybe that's the problem...I need to create a separate account without administrative control??...Naw, that's too obvious, someone would have suggested that before)

Anyway that's where it stands at this moment. Dead in the water...

 

[chev65]

Honestly I spent hours trying to help you and had one simple request which you pretty much flately refused to help me with.

You said this>Quote: You might get the impression that I don't want to mess with the bios if I don't have to. I have done a lot of that...years ago...partitioning HD's, editing the registry, writing macros, writing my own webpages with text editors, adding memory, swapping out PSU's, setting up scsi chains, etc.--almost everything a real computer wiz would do. But I'm tired of messing around like that...I've gotten to the point where I just want to use the computer and not fiddle with it.

to my request which was to simply check the time and date in the bios on your XP machine, was that asking too much? I don't think so but you apparently were unwilling to help me help you.

First off my request isn't "messing around" at all, this bios time/date problem has been around for many years, in fact nothing will work correctly unless you make certain that the time/date in bios matches that of your system's own time/date.

The reason I asked you to do this is because not even two days ago another forum member posted his fix for the endless password request problem and the fix was to set the time and date in his bios which was inadvertantly changed when he cleared the cmos and pulled the battery. He said that setting the time/date in bios on his XP machine instantly fixed the problem for him.

If you want your problem fixed I suggest that you follow the tried, tested and proven advice already given.

 

[DWFII]

Honestly I spent hours trying to help you and had one simple request which you pretty much flately refused to help me with.

You said this>Quote: You might get the impression that I don't want to mess with the bios if I don't have to. I have done a lot of that...years ago...partitioning HD's, editing the registry, writing macros, writing my own webpages with text editors, adding memory, swapping out PSU's, setting up scsi chains, etc.--almost everything a real computer wiz would do. But I'm tired of messing around like that...I've gotten to the point where I just want to use the computer and not fiddle with it.

to my request which was to simply check the time and date in the bios on your XP machine, was that asking too much? I don't think so but you apparently were unwilling to help me help you.

First off my request isn't "messing around" at all, this bios time/date problem has been around for many years, in fact nothing will work correctly unless you make certain that the time/date in bios matches that of your system's own time/date.

The reason I asked you to do this is because not even two days ago another forum member posted his fix for the endless password request problem and the fix was to set the time and date in his bios which was inadvertantly changed when he cleared the cmos and pulled the battery. He said that setting the time/date in bios on his XP machine instantly fixed the problem for him.

If you want your problem fixed I suggest that you follow the tried, tested and proven advice already given.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I had no intention of insulting you. You left the best part of my response out...which was: [quote[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica]][/FONT] If I have to go into the bios, I will,[/quote].

I'd like to resolve this problem but I don't want to rush like a bull into a china shop without knowing I've tried the easy bits first. And I'd like to know why I am doing something besides "it worked for the other guy." Doesn't that make sense?

And while I'm at it I'd like to know why the h*ll Microsoft made this so hard and arcane that you have to go into the bios to remedy a problem that shouldn't be happening to begin with.

 

[chev65]

Well at this point, you need to check the time/date in bios, I explained the reasons why pretty well. It's not a huge request and it should only take a minute to make sure.

I'd like to see your problem fixed as well but you need to work with me a bit on this.
We are way past the easy bits here.

The complaints aren't helping with your problem at all. If your time and date wasn't set correctly then how is that Msoft's fault? Nothing ever works right when the time/date aren't set correctly, especially windows updates. It's been like that long as I can remember.

I never had a single problem sharing with my XP machine, no password prompts no nothing so there is no doubt an underlying problem here.

TechNet seems to think there isn't a problem.
http://social.technet.microsoft.com...g/thread/16e3c166-0dda-4015-a8a0-8aaf8697c60a

 

[surfasb]

Have you tried typing in the XP username and a blank password into the network password request dialog? It is also possible that the network share has no expressed permissions for the user group, which is important. Vista/Win 7 program processes are given user permission unless explicitly elevated.

 

[DWFII]

Well at this point, you need to check the time/date in bios, I explained the reasons why pretty well. It's not a huge request and it should only take a minute to make sure.

I'd like to see your problem fixed as well but you need to work with me a bit on this.
We are way past the easy bits here.

The complaints aren't helping with your problem at all. If your time and date wasn't set correctly then how is that Msoft's fault? Nothing ever works right when the time/date aren't set correctly, especially windows updates. It's been like that long as I can remember.

I never had a single problem sharing with my XP machine, no password prompts no nothing so there is no doubt an underlying problem here.

Well...I don't know whether to laugh or to cry. I just went into the bios and the time and date are correct!! Now what?! You seemed so sure...I had to check. But that's not the problem.

If it were all that easy to set up a network between Windows 7 and XP...this forum wouldn't exist. Is it Microsofts" fault? Dern right! What do we pay these boffins for? It's not just me or my system. You know that...if you think about it.

And now that you've step in the squishy stuff , I expect you to exercise real relentless patience until I/we get this problem solved.

 

[acurasd]

Oh....
I once saw this same episode on Jerry Springer just the other week..

Sabes que.... There were midgets and everything