XFX 5770 or BFG GTX 260?

[Fumz]

there are less issues with ati cards when your using a amd processor

I understood what you said, just not why you said it?

To suggest that ati cards "work better", or as you put it, "have fewer issues" with amd cpu's is a myth; one we can't even call an urban legend because it hasn't been around long enough... in short, it's nonsense.

Cpu's don't "talk" directly to graphics cards; they communicate through the northbridge. If there are certain chipsets that have problems with ATI cards, we're all ears?

yes its a chipset thing, when ya put a ati card in a intel chipset you sometimes get issues, like wise when you put a ati card in a nvidia chipset, or a nvidia card in a ati one, so if your going with a amd based mobo your best off to get a ati card

... :huh:

I have to ask... just how exactly did you arrive at this conclusion?

 

[Seven Eleven]

... :huh:

I have to ask... just how exactly did you arrive at this conclusion?

i guess he thinks that because AMD now owns ATI

:roflmao:

 

[Shook]

hi again, the only thing's im using from my standerd acer i have now is the hardrive,cd drive and ram. everything else is going to be replaced.
amd phenom 965 3.4ghz
500w psu (might get 600w if its safer)
gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 motherboard
coolmaster case.

i keep chnaging my mind between them, they both have there adv and dis adv. the gtx 260 is better but the price here in the UK its £165 witch is alot. So if im going to get that i want it to be worth the money.
Whats the WEI rating to give me a rough idea how high it is?

here is the card btw

BFG GTX260 OC MAXCORE 55nm 896MB (D) Dual DVI PhysX and Cuda ready PCI-E Graphics Card - Ebuyer

Same exact card I have. I think the WEI rating was around 7.9 or so with that card, but I'm not quite sure, I'll run it tonight, back to work for me

 

[ThePizzaMan]

I understood what you said, just not why you said it?

To suggest that ati cards "work better", or as you put it, "have fewer issues" with amd cpu's is a myth; one we can't even call an urban legend because it hasn't been around long enough... in short, it's nonsense.

Cpu's don't "talk" directly to graphics cards; they communicate through the northbridge. If there are certain chipsets that have problems with ATI cards, we're all ears?

yes its a chipset thing, when ya put a ati card in a intel chipset you sometimes get issues, like wise when you put a ati card in a nvidia chipset, or a nvidia card in a ati one, so if your going with a amd based mobo your best off to get a ati card

... :huh:

I have to ask... just how exactly did you arrive at this conclusion?

just from reading about the people who use them the one's i've seen using amd chipsets have had less problems that i've seen

 

[F1FAN]

hi again, the only thing's im using from my standerd acer i have now is the hardrive,cd drive and ram. everything else is going to be replaced.
amd phenom 965 3.4ghz
500w psu (might get 600w if its safer)
gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 motherboard
coolmaster case.

i keep chnaging my mind between them, they both have there adv and dis adv. the gtx 260 is better but the price here in the UK its £165 witch is alot. So if im going to get that i want it to be worth the money.
Whats the WEI rating to give me a rough idea how high it is?

here is the card btw

BFG GTX260 OC MAXCORE 55nm 896MB (D) Dual DVI PhysX and Cuda ready PCI-E Graphics Card - Ebuyer

Same exact card I have. I think the WEI rating was around 7.9 or so with that card, but I'm not quite sure, I'll run it tonight, back to work for me

ok thanks for that, i saw your post about your problems with your card, were they resolved?

 

[jr26]

yes its a chipset thing, when ya put a ati card in a intel chipset you sometimes get issues, like wise when you put a ati card in a nvidia chipset, or a nvidia card in a ati one, so if your going with a amd based mobo your best off to get a ati card

... :huh:

I have to ask... just how exactly did you arrive at this conclusion?

just from reading about the people who use them the one's i've seen using amd chipsets have had less problems that i've seen

I think it might be more of a coincidence thing. I run an nvidia card with an ATI chipset/AMD Cpu and haven't had any issues.

 

[Fumz]

yes its a chipset thing, when ya put a ati card in a intel chipset you sometimes get issues, like wise when you put a ati card in a nvidia chipset, or a nvidia card in a ati one, so if your going with a amd based mobo your best off to get a ati card

... :huh:

I have to ask... just how exactly did you arrive at this conclusion?

just from reading about the people who use them the one's i've seen using amd chipsets have had less problems that i've seen

So, to sum things up, this is all just speculation.

 

[Everlong]

Difficult choice. The GTX probably outclass easily the 5770, however it is directx 10 only... I would wait a couple months if I was you.

Nothing uses DX11 anyways, so it's a moot point at this time.

~Lordbob

And only a handful of games used DX10, and about 2 games used DX10.1, so it's all just about future proofing really.

 

[Zen00]

DX11 is making great strides, by the end of the year at least 20+ games will be using it, major games such as AvsP. In 2011 many more games will move onto it. Mostly because of the generation gap, like with XP to 7.

 

[Fumz]

dirt 2, grid 2 and bad company 2 use dx11.

They look great, but in all honesty, who has the time to notice when you're in the thick of it?

 

[ThePizzaMan]

... :huh:

I have to ask... just how exactly did you arrive at this conclusion?

just from reading about the people who use them the one's i've seen using amd chipsets have had less problems that i've seen

So, to sum things up, this is all just speculation.

didn't say it happened all the time just your chances for issues are better if you mix them

 

[Everlong]

just from reading about the people who use them the one's i've seen using amd chipsets have had less problems that i've seen

So, to sum things up, this is all just speculation.

didn't say it happened all the time just your chances for issues are better if you mix them

There's nothing that proves that.

I've yet to see anything like that.

 

[rvbfan]

Don't seem to be having those issues
View attachment 62566.
And this is my second time.
First time was an AMD2600+
Nvidia A7N8X Deluxe
ATI 7200AIW, later an X800XL
Creative Sound Blaster Live.
Sucker for punishment I guess.
Oooh forgot about the TI4200
and the 9600XT.

 

[Shook]

ok thanks for that, i saw your post about your problems with your card, were they resolved?

Well it looks like all my problems are stemming from bad RAM.

At least I hope so, since the RAM and CPU are the only things I havn't replaced. I can tell you that BFG has a great RMA program, and you can trade your card up within 100 days of the purchase.

 

[Steven72555]

From my own personal experience, the 5770 drivers are not compatible with Seven.

~Lordbob

I have a 5850 that is working great with W7.

 

[zezasu]

From my own personal experience, the 5770 drivers are not compatible with Seven.

~Lordbob

I have a 5850 that is working great with W7.

Not that it is a huge deal since about the bolded items but it might confuse someone. I had a 5770 and it worked perfectly actually though.

 

[Fumz]

just from reading about the people who use them the one's i've seen using amd chipsets have had less problems that i've seen

So, to sum things up, this is all just speculation.

didn't say it happened all the time just your chances for issues are better if you mix them

You keep repeating this absurd claim despite the fact that, admittedly, it's not based on fact or reality. There's isn't a single shred of evidence to suggest that ATI cards work better with certain chipsets, and nvidia cards work better with others... so the obvious question is, "why?"

 

[thefabe]

I'm just going to chime in on the post further back about issues with the GTX 260's. I purchased a Evga GTX 260 Superclocked form Newegg. But only after I read on a review page that XFX was having a lot of problems with the GTX 260's and had gone into Newegg and removed all the GTX 260 cards and replaced them with as they stated Quality Tested cards. So it seemed like to me that at some point in the beginning release of the 260's their was a batch of poor quality chips released to manufacturers. My Evga GTX 260 Superclocked card has preformed flawlessly. I'm currently playing GTAIV on all of the highest settings without any lagging or other problems.The cards temp under extreme load for a couple of hours only reaching 52c. So it's IMO a great card. Granted not future proof but still well worth what I paid for it. Fabe

 

[Seven Eleven]

DX11 is making great strides, by the end of the year at least 20+ games will be using it, major games such as AvsP. In 2011 many more games will move onto it. Mostly because of the generation gap, like with XP to 7.

exactly. that's why i'm looking to get dx11 card. i change cards maybe once in a few years. so i'm better of with something more future proof.

Don't seem to be having those issues
View attachment 62566.
And this is my second time.
First time was an AMD2600+
Nvidia A7N8X Deluxe
ATI 7200AIW, later an X800XL
Creative Sound Blaster Live.
Sucker for punishment I guess.
Oooh forgot about the TI4200
and the 9600XT.

my old rig was:
AMD Athlon 64 on nForce 3 chipset and it was running FX 5200, 6200 and 7600 GS cards. no problems whatsoever.

 

[Fumz]

Don't sacrifice performance just to get any DX11 card under the assumption that it will run next years DX11 games well... I stress well because the 5770 doesn't perform as good as a 260 on current DX11 games.

It was said that the difference was "only a few fps". Well, if ~10 is a few then ok, but we all know a 10 fps differential can make or break an experience.

For example, on the high end the difference between a 5770 and a 260 in Bad Company 2 is 34.5 to 40.7. However, more important to gaming is the card's minimum fps. In BC, the 5770 dips down to 24 fps whereas the 260 stays above 30; 32 to be precise. 24 is going to hurt in a firefight, and you're going to end up having to turn down setting.

Contemporary Graphics Cards Performance in Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (page 6) - X-bit labs

Keep in mind that BC is cpu hungry and this test was done with an Intel Core i7-975 Extreme Edition, so if you're running anything less, your results aren't going to be as good; mileage may vary. I have no clue if this is a new trend we're looking at (cpu intensive games) or if BC is just a poorly optimized anomaly, but, it is something to consider.

If you're going to get a DX11 card, and expect it to last, then you're going to have to bite the bullet and go big. Of course, with Fermi coming out in a couple days it would be wise to wait and see what the 4xx's look like.