MSE definition times different to my pc

[xxxdannyxxx]

Hi guys
I have configured my MSE to check for updates every 6 hours but have noticed the definition times are different to my pc and seem to follow no patern.For example my last update was at 11.48 this morning but mse reports definition 1.85.1695.0 was created at 02.46.My pc clock is correct.Anyone any ideas.
Thanx

 

[severedsolo]

Hi xxxdannyxxx, the answer here is very simple:

The Time and Date stamp on the updates is the time that the definitions were created. NOT the time that you installed them. There is nothing wrong with your setup there, it is simply telling you that MS created the definitions at 2.46AM (your time) These are the latest definitions available, and so thats what you got at 11.48.

Does that make sense?

 

[xxxdannyxxx]

Thanks severedsolo
Yer that makes sense now.I was getting 3 or 4 updates a day but none of them seemed to match but didnt read the CREATED bit.lol
Alls well then thankyou

 

[Greg S]

Hi xxxdannyxxx, the answer here is very simple:

The Time and Date stamp on the updates is the time that the definitions were created. NOT the time that you installed them. There is nothing wrong with your setup there, it is simply telling you that MS created the definitions at 2.46AM (your time) These are the latest definitions available, and so thats what you got at 11.48.

Does that make sense?

I noticed this when I was trying to run MSE. The updates were to the minute x number of hours off, 6 or 8 can't remember now, meaning there was a time zone difference not a created on as opposed to when you installed it as you say. I never read any info as to why there was a difference in so many hours. Wait a minute, re-reading your post a couple of times, I see that we may be saying the same thing. Are we,lol?

 

[hackerman1]

hi !

no Greg S, you should read severedsolo´s post again.

forget about the timezones, MSE definitions are normally released 2-3 times daily, it´s the CREATION-time you see.

 

[Corrine]

If you're interested, you can subscribe to the MMPC Definition Change Log: https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Definitions/WhatsNew.aspx

 

[Greg S]

hi !

no Greg S, you should read severedsolo´s post again.

forget about the timezones, MSE definitions are normally released 2-3 times daily, it´s the CREATION-time you see.

Thanks hack,
So they are sitting on the updates for a few hours or more before releasing them for installation?

 

[hackerman1]

hi !

don´t know what you mean Greg ?

severedsolo has already explained it very well.

of course there can be a time-difference between the CREATION-time and the DOWNLOAD-time into your computer.
unless you have used fx. my tip about taskscheduler or you download manually,
if the definitions are fx. downloaded before a scan, it´s NOT the same minute Microsoft release them.

take a look, start MSE and click on Update: "Definitions Created on:....."

 

[Greg S]

hi !

don´t know what you mean Greg ?

severedsolo has already explained it very well.

of course there can be a time-difference between the CREATION-time and the DOWNLOAD-time into your computer.

unless you have used fx. my tip about taskscheduler or you download manually,
the definitions are downloaded before a scan, and NOT the minute Microsoft release them.

take a look, start MSE and click on Update: "Definitions Created on:....."

What I'm saying is, they are creating the defs, holding them for said hours, then releasing them for installation which must be the difference of the several hours between the two. I was always under the impression the defs were created and ready for installation within minutes of creation which must not be the case because one wouldn't have the hours difference between the two. This is where I got the Time Zone thingy from. My udpates were always exactly x number of hours between the two. No big deal, just curious

 

[Corrine]

From https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Shared/Help.aspx#definition_date

What does definition available date/time mean?
The definition available date/time is the date and time that the definition is available to download. Your Microsoft product may display the created date/time, which is the date and time that the definition was created. There is often a time lag between the created date/time and the available date/time.

Note also that the date/time are displayed as UTC: https://www.microsoft.com/security/...rsion=1.85.1721.0&Release=Released&Package=AM

Edited to add:

Hi, Greg S

It isn't a matter of "holding" the definitions for a number of hours, but rather the time difference between when the final set of definitions were approved and uploaded to the download servers. I have no idea what the final process is for obtaining approval to release or how many people are involved in creating the definitions, at what stage testing or translations are completed. However, any of those aspects could account for a time delay between completion and availability.

 

[Greg S]

From https://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Shared/Help.aspx#definition_date

What does definition available date/time mean?
The definition available date/time is the date and time that the definition is available to download. Your Microsoft product may display the created date/time, which is the date and time that the definition was created. There is often a time lag between the created date/time and the available date/time.

Note also that the date/time are displayed as UTC: https://www.microsoft.com/security/...rsion=1.85.1721.0&Release=Released&Package=AM

I would say this pretty well sums it up,lol.
Thanks for the info

 

[Corrine]

You're welcome. Also see the additional information I edited to add.

 

[hackerman1]

hi !

"Definition available date (?)
Jul 08, 2010 09:35 PM UTC "

yes, i noticed they use the term UTC.
but, too bad they don´t use it correctly.
that date & time is NOT in UTC !

UTC defines the day having 24 hours, there is NO AM/PM in UTC !

according to ISO 8601 it should be: "2010-07-08 21.35Z"
(year-month-day hour-minute)

"ISO 8601 Data elements and interchange formats — Information interchange — Representation of dates and times is an international standard covering the exchange of date and time-related data. The purpose of this standard is to provide an unambiguous and well-defined method of representing dates and times, so as to avoid misinterpretation of numeric representations of dates and times, particularly when data is transferred between countries with different conventions for writing numeric dates and times."

"The first edition of the ISO 8601 standard was published in 1988"

it´t "time" for Microsoft and others to wake up....

Coordinated Universal Time - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ISO 8601 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Corrine]

The date & time the definitions are created/released isn't ISO certified. So, I would guess that its probably UTC time on the The World Clock – Time Zones . At least that is the method used when there are online MVP sessions.

 

[hackerman1]

hi !

The date & time the definitions are created/released isn't ISO certified. So, I would guess that its probably UTC time on the The World Clock – Time Zones . At least that is the method used when there are online MVP sessions.

i don´t know what you mean by "ISO certified ?

as i posted above: UTC defines the day having 24 hours, there is NO AM/PM in UTC !
and, you can NOT write the date "backwards" in UTC.
in other words: if you use the term UTC, you must write date & time according to ISO 8601.

 

[Corrine]

Not that it really matters as far as the definitions, but I'm certain the UTC designation is as a time zone since most people know how many hours they are plus or minus UTC, which, from the Wiki article you referenced, replaced GMT:

Time zones around the world can be expressed as positive or negative offsets from UTC; UTC replaced GMT as the basis for the main reference time scale

This eliminates the confusion that could result if the time were identified as PST/PDT.

 

[kledi]

I encrypt The file in NTFS file system .
Then ReInstall windows XP
and lost befor profile user .
Now I dont Decrypt That file (Access
denide)
please Replay This Problem .
Tank You

 

[severedsolo]

Kledi please make your own thread, It sounds like you have an entirely different issue. Not sure where it should go.... try General Discussion