Solved 4 TERIBYTE USB DRIVE NTFS shows up as 3.69T

DonM123

New member
Member
VIP
Local time
10:23 AM
Messages
140
FOR WINDOWS 7 64 - 32 bit Operating Systems

I thought NTFS could only see 2 terabytes but it does see 3.69 T on my usb external ? WHAT ?

IS THIS STATEMENT TRUE FOR WINDOWS 7 32 64 :
Is UEFI required for a GPT disk?
No. GPT disks are self-identifying. All the information needed to interpret the partitioning scheme of a GPT disk is completely contained in structures in specified locations on the physical media.

Will I need a UEFI computer Bios to format a GPT DISK or some special utilities ?

I have yet to see any documentation that tells me whether or not a 4 T internal hard drive can be installed in a windows 7 64 /32 bit OS it appears if I use GPT I can use any size a disk I want. ?

When I use NTFS can I split the drive up in 2 partitions ?
Thank you !


New Technology FILE SYSTEM
Globally Unique Partition table
Unified Extensible firmware interface
Master Boot Record
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

win7proi716GTX 980 TI
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Gigibyte Custom build
OS
win7pro
CPU
i7
Memory
16
Graphics Card(s)
GTX 980 TI
Hard Drives
ssd 4t 750gig
Antivirus
norton pain
the only size restrictions I'm aware of is 2 to the power of 64 clusters, which is about 2TB for 512bytes cluster, which are used by MBR partitions. However GPT partitions can have larger size clusters and for 4kB cluster limit would be 16TB and 64kB cluster limit is 256TB. Those limits are for Win 7 and up and for example Win xp had other size restrictions on top. I've been using 3TB drive for backup for many years and it works fine.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

win7hp64
OS
win7hp64
UEFI is needed with GPT disks only if installing an OS on them. I have 25 4TB disks all formatted GPT and all are working fine for data disks. All were formatted on machines using MBR drives for the OS and programs. Most likely, your 4TB external drive was formatted GPT.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bitIntel i7-3930KKingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modul...MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2...
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
Browser
IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
I thought NTFS could only see 2 terabytes

NTFS is a filesystem. MBR and GPT are partitioning styles.

MBR partitioned disks can only address up to 2tib.

If you have a larger disk, use GPT.
 

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    7 X64i5 84002x8gb 3200mhz
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7 X64
    CPU
    i5 8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Hard Drives
    various
    PSU
    pure power 11 400w cm
    Case
    Coolermaster
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • At a glance

    7x64g54008gb ddr4 2400
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7x64
    CPU
    g5400
    Motherboard
    ga b365m ds3h
    Memory
    8gb ddr4 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450w
OK so yes NTFS is a file system FAT is a file system FAT32 is a file system

I am safe believing I can buy a 6 T hd for my win 7 as long as partitioin the drive with a GTP
I am a bit confused because when I format A disk I have a Choice between ntsf and fat

At this point the only way I know of to format a disk GTP is to use acronis disk director 11 If I try to install windows on the drive and I dont have UEFI instead of A bios then it will split the 4T drive up because it has the missing info to run as a UEIF BUT if I has(have) a computer that does have UEFI interface then the windows setup disk is willing to format the drive GTP
But if I set the drive up to be a data drive a computer would format the drive GTP and in that case I could format it without the modern UEFI RIGHT ?

Can diskmgmt.msc be used to to partition the Disk as GTP ?
Or would I use DISKPART ?

I undestand UEFI is not needed to read a GTP but if an os is on the GTP it needs UEFI BUT the question I still have is CAN I format GTP with BIOS.

Thank you for this help

I setup many ssd disks but they are all small. A 4T ssd disk came along and it opened up a big can of worms for me and made me realize I am missing some knowledge. Thank you for your help in putting things right.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

win7proi716GTX 980 TI
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Gigibyte Custom build
OS
win7pro
CPU
i7
Memory
16
Graphics Card(s)
GTX 980 TI
Hard Drives
ssd 4t 750gig
Antivirus
norton pain
Initialize the disk to a partition style.

Format a volume to a filesystem.

If it has already been initialized to a partitioning style, then it can be changed with 3rd party software - e.g. Aomei partition Assistant, Partition Guru, etc. some of them can do it without damaging any existing data on the diak.

Windows disk management/diskpart command line can only change the partition style destructively.

You can use MBR and/or GPT disks with BIOS firmware.

But, if you want to boot windows from a GPT disk - you need to use EFI firmware.

Disks are divided into partitions. Some people don't realize they have partitions - because they have only one. A disk has to be initialized to a partitioning system. Then partitions can be created and formatted to a filesystem. You can have partitions with different filesystems on the same disk.

The MBR partitioning style only allows for 4 partitions. Though one can be an "extended partition " with several volumes inside. The MBR partition style is only suitable for disk up to 2TB.

GPT allows far more partitions, and is theoretically usable for disks up to 2^64 logical blocks in length. However, Windows file systems currently are limited to 256 terabytes each.


BIOS and EFI (or uefi) are firmware

MBR and GPT are partitioning styles

NTFS and FAT32 are filesystems.

If you are using a GPT partitioned disk for booting Windows, the usual setup is a small EFI System partition formatted as FAT32. Other partitions on the disk are usually formatted NTFS.
 
Last edited:

My Computers My Computers

  • At a glance

    7 X64i5 84002x8gb 3200mhz
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7 X64
    CPU
    i5 8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Hard Drives
    various
    PSU
    pure power 11 400w cm
    Case
    Coolermaster
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • At a glance

    7x64g54008gb ddr4 2400
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7x64
    CPU
    g5400
    Motherboard
    ga b365m ds3h
    Memory
    8gb ddr4 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450w
Thank you for these Clarifications. !
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

win7proi716GTX 980 TI
Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Gigibyte Custom build
OS
win7pro
CPU
i7
Memory
16
Graphics Card(s)
GTX 980 TI
Hard Drives
ssd 4t 750gig
Antivirus
norton pain
A 4 TB drive would read 3.73 TiB in Windows.
 

My Computer My Computer

At a glance

Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit8 GB
Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell M6500 Precision Work Station
OS
Windows 7 Pro SP1 64 bit
Memory
8 GB
Screen Resolution
1920x
Internet Speed
30 Mbps
Antivirus
Norton Security
Browser
IE 11
Back
Top