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[gohan2091]

hey gohan the solution i found to resolve the problem was to make the connection using a hdmi cable instead of a dvi (with a adapter on the graphic card dvi-hdmi)... it solved for me : D
My graphic card is a sapphire 4890...
now i can normally set 60hz : D
See if it solves to you too ^^

That's a little extreme? I'd have to buy an HDMI cable and adapter, that isn't going to be free. I wish I could use PowerStrip to force 60Hz but it resets to 59Hz when I reboot...

 

[Evildemon]

hey gohan the solution i found to resolve the problem was to make the connection using a hdmi cable instead of a dvi (with a adapter on the graphic card dvi-hdmi)... it solved for me : D
My graphic card is a sapphire 4890...
now i can normally set 60hz : D
See if it solves to you too ^^

That's a little extreme? I'd have to buy an HDMI cable and adapter, that isn't going to be free. I wish I could use PowerStrip to force 60Hz but it resets to 59Hz when I reboot...

well i had one cable here so i tried and it worked... see if you have a friend that has one that could lend you to try to see if it solves...
Well i didnt bought one but if i knew it would solve my problem i would absolutely buy one... fortunantly i had some here...

 

[gohan2091]

hey gohan the solution i found to resolve the problem was to make the connection using a hdmi cable instead of a dvi (with a adapter on the graphic card dvi-hdmi)... it solved for me : D
My graphic card is a sapphire 4890...
now i can normally set 60hz : D
See if it solves to you too ^^

That's a little extreme? I'd have to buy an HDMI cable and adapter, that isn't going to be free. I wish I could use PowerStrip to force 60Hz but it resets to 59Hz when I reboot...

well i had one cable here so i tried and it worked... see if you have a friend that has one that could lend you to try to see if it solves...
Well i didnt bought one but if i knew it would solve my problem i would absolutely buy one... fortunantly i had some here...

I actually have an HDMI cable sitting here, but I've no adapter to connect it to my graphics card. To be honest, I'd rather keep forcing 60Hz in PowerStrip everytime I boot than spend money on an adapter.

 

[Evildemon]

what ? your graphic card must have brought the adpater... its part of 4890 bundle... see in your graphic card box...

 

[gohan2091]

what ? your graphic card must have brought the adpater... its part of 4890 bundle... see in your graphic card box...

Just checked my box, ah so it has, I didn't know. Unfortunely my HMDI cable is only 1 metre long and will not reach the back of my tower. Argh

 

[Evildemon]

what ? your graphic card must have brought the adpater... its part of 4890 bundle... see in your graphic card box...

Just checked my box, ah so it has, I didn't know. Unfortunely my HMDI cable is only 1 metre long and will not reach the back of my tower. Argh

well move your tower a little just to see if it works... and see if you have any other hdmi cable bigger than that one being used that you can trade ...
Its up to you now to imagine solutions
I hope you can fix it : )

 

[gohan2091]

what ? your graphic card must have brought the adpater... its part of 4890 bundle... see in your graphic card box...

Just checked my box, ah so it has, I didn't know. Unfortunely my HMDI cable is only 1 metre long and will not reach the back of my tower. Argh

well move your tower a little just to see if it works... and see if you have any other hdmi cable bigger than that one being used that you can trade ...
Its up to you now to imagine solutions
I hope you can fix it : )

I'm not going through all that hassle for 1 game (PES2010). My Tower is right next to my monitor but because my desk is high, slightly further back and my tower is on the floor, it will not reach. I only have one HDMI cable which is too short.

Thanks for the suggestion but even if it does work, what will that achieve? I am not prepared to pay for a new HDMI cable just for 1 game.

 

[VectorRoll]

Just a reminder for those of you that might have missed it. There was a work around for this issue posted earlier in the thread. Post #224 by jimmy1988.

HI ALL,

THIS IS A SOLUTION FOR NVIDIA CARDS, AND IT WORKS GREAT.

After frustrating countless hours, I found a fix that works like a charmmmm.

- Go to Nvidia Control Panel
- Go to Add resolution
- Create Custom Resolution
- Click on Timing
- Click on Manual
- Set refresh rate to 60.001 Hz
- Press Apply, and Have funnnn

If you have not tried it, it may be worth a shot. It is not guaranteed to work for everyone but it has for many. I tried it myself and it worke for me, even though right now I currently just leave mine at 59hz as it does not bother me too much anymore.

I am still running the build 7100. I was under the impression this issue would have been fixed for the current retail version. It would be nice to hear if the people with the retail version are not experiencing it.

 

[M17x]

I have a simple question...why does this giving folks such consternation? Both my laptop and desktop are running at 59 Mhz instead of 60 and I don't even detect any problem whatsoever. So why are people so wrapped up in this 59 thing?

 

[gohan2091]

I have a simple question...why does this giving folks such consternation? Both my laptop and desktop are running at 59 Mhz instead of 60 and I don't even detect any problem whatsoever. So why are people so wrapped up in this 59 thing?

Some games you get tearing if you run at 59Hz because v-sync will not be enabled at 59Hz. An example of this is Pro Evolution Soccer 2010. At 59Hz, the v-sync option is disabled but at 60Hz it's enabled.

 

[MyWin7]

I would just ignore what W7 monitor settings tells - my Ati CCC says monitor is @60Hz and the monitor itself reports VR @60Hz (OSD)

so W7 just tell lies

 

[gohan2091]

I would just ignore what W7 monitor settings tells - my Ati CCC says monitor is @60Hz and the monitor itself reports VR @60Hz (OSD)

so W7 just tell lies

When 7 tells me it is 60Hz (when I force it at 60Hz with PowerStrip) the v-sync box is available in Pro Evolution Soccer 2010. When 7 reports the refresh rate as 59Hz, the v-sync box is disabled in Pro Evolution Soccer 2010 and I get screen tearing in game.

 

[MyWin7]

yes, I do not dispute that there are valid problems due to this W7 mistake - I hope for a fix from MS without HDMI cable

 

[omnimodis78]

Well, time for an update, and it's an interesting one... I actually contacted Microsoft customer support (via chat) regarding this issue. Interestingly I was the one who pointed out to the agent the Microsoft KB which "addresses" this issue, at which point his tune changed from one of support to that of "so what's the problem?" - though that said, he was professional. So, basically we tried everything and at the end - well, let me paste his feedback to me which he sent me by email after we stopped the chat:

It was my pleasure to work with you on your Windows service request 112079xxxx. Unfortunately, we were unable to resolve your issue. However, I hope that you were happy with the service provided to you.

Action: You upgraded to Windows 7.
Result: You were unable to change the refresh rate of your monitor.
Cause: The default refresh rate for certain monitors are fixed at a certain frequency.
Resolution: The refresh rate in Windows 7 is determined by the OS and it by default selects the setting that it considers appropriate for a particular monitor.

So there you have it - at this point Microsoft is calling this a "feature" though how exactly is tearing and out of sync settings translates to a beneficial feature sort of escapes me. I get the issue - but it's BS that microsoft would piss on me and tell me it's raining... in other words, for them to tell me that due to this new feature, my Samsung T240 is causing tearing. If you have the time, try to go through the customer support so that they can understand that more people are having this issue than they would like to perhaps admit. Sorry for the long post!

 

[alfa]

32" 1080 monitor work in Linux Fedora but not windows7

if windows states 59 hz its 59 hz trust me.
and even if select 60 hz it go's back 59hz.
there games that pickup 60 hz fine but this brings the issue lot stuff messing up like media player crashing or taking real long to load a game cous its trying to force it by any means posible.

anyway i'm gessing there still no real fix ?

Of course there's a fix. And it's very real. Unfortunately I cannot spoon feed it to each comer as it involves research, development and testing for each and every display. First, dig around in the linux xfree86 forums for a modeline that works for your monitor that has a refresh rate greater than 60. I've seen quite a few 62 and 70 modelines that work. Then translate that modeline into Pheonix EDID Designer and finally create an INF with moninfo. Properly executed and using proper cabling (no adapters, no breaking pins off), it works every time.

Oh, and the VESA standard for 60Hz is 59.94 -- Google it. That's the root of the problem. In order to handle HD correctly and fix media center issues, 7 calculates refresh rates by the book. Since it's NOT 60 and only integers are supported, it really is 59.

I have a core2duo running windows 7 ultimate. I have an ATI fireGL 3200 vid card on a new LG LF20 32 inch native 1080i LCD monitor. Tthe vid card is connected to the LG Monitor via the DVi port using a VGA cable to the PC. I have an adaptor to connect the Vid Card's DVi port to the VGA cable but the VGA vable is connected directly tot eh LG monitor.

When i run it on win7 on 1920x1080 the display is crisp and gorgeous. The only problem is the desktop does not fit on the monitor ie The desktop is way bigger than what can be displayed and as a result i cannot view the right 1/3rd portion of the desktop, i cant see the clock and right gadget bar etc. If is switched to a lower resolution the desktop fits the screen but the text is bad and the picture is hazy. I've tried configuring the resolutions from 59 to 60hz and adjusting clear font to no avail. I even thought it was a cable problem. It was always a choice between a high resoluiton but incoomplete screen or a lower resolution, complete desktop but fuzy display.

Then i tried Fedora 12 ( i was experimenting on it) . Without doing anything the screen and monitor ran native on 1920x1080 at 60hz. The display tab correctly identified the screen as a Goldstar Company LTD 32" monitor. The screen displayed was crisp, clear and better than any i've seen so far. Best of all the desktop fits in the screen to a T!

So now its surely not a hardware or cable problem. It is a software problem. I just dont know if its a videocard software problem or a monitor software problem as Windows seven identifies my monitor as an LG TV ( in the adjust resolution page) and yet in the device manager page my monitor is identified only as a generic PNP monitor. IfEven if i force the monitor to be identified as a 1920x1080 flat panel the same problem occurs.

I hope windows finds a solution or LG comes up with an inf file to see if this will sort things out

 

[MyWin7]

...
So there you have it - at this point Microsoft is calling this a "feature" though how exactly is tearing and out of sync settings translates to a beneficial feature sort of escapes me....

you, ahem, him means 59HZ is a feature?

sounds to me the idiot you talked to did not even understand the problem!
Microsoft providing Bangalore quality support? - interesting!

 

[gohan2091]

Someone needs to show Microsoft this thread. This is a software problem... nothing has changed on my PC other than I upgraded from Vista to 7. Vista never had this problem but 7 has so it's a 7 problem!

 

[chrysalis]

anyone contacting microsoft I would get straight to the point.

The point been as a result of the new way refresh rate works in the OS that vsync is now broken in games, and this causes tearing.

 

[omnimodis78]

anyone contacting microsoft I would get straight to the point.

The point been as a result of the new way refresh rate works in the OS that vsync is now broken in games, and this causes tearing.

I did mention this to him - in fact, trust me, I made it as plain as possible so that it wouldn't be misunderstood. The agent did understand my problem and he basically said what he had to say (as per their knowledge database) - they aren't there to be creative, they are simply there to give us the generic and dry responses they are told to push on us. During the chat he said that Windows7 has updated many "features" including how it interprets info coming in from the monitor, and if it determines that the monitor can't run full 60Hz it goes down to 59Hz, which we all know is BS because if I use the 60.001 fix, it works well - so apparently my monitor isn't the issue. I asked him to escalate this issue so it can be reviewed by software engineers, and also I requested that the KB regarding this issue be re-written for accuracy. He stated that as per procedure he will push the issue up to his seniors. I would be happy if only microsoft would admit that there's an issue and that eventually they will fix it rather than trying to lie to me, a paying customer, that this is a feature...

 

[Zahl]

I recently switched from nvidia to ati and I no longer get the 59Hz issue. All my displays and game options default to 60Hz just like in vista. Pretty weird...