A little help needed going back to XP

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I know this isn't an XP forum but I've always found the help level here to be very good - so here goes....

My employer just bought me a new PC for use in doing home-based support for our products. I need the PC to be able to boot into 3 x OS's:- Windows 7, Vista and XP. Vista and Win7 aren't a problem but when I tried to install XP, my (relatively old) copy failed when installing the PCI driver. I suspect that because my XP installation disk is quite old, it probably only supports standard PCI and not the PCIe bus that's found in my new PC.

Does anyone know if a newer copy of XP would support PCIe ?
 

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Does it have to be an actual install?
Could you use a virtual machine instead?
 

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Possibly but I'd prefer to partition my drive and install normally if possible. I've just been reading about PCIe and it turns out that my version (2.0) wasn't introduced until 2007. My copy of XP is definitely older than that, so I'm pretty sure that's the problem.
 

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Are you using XP w/SP3? If not find a XP w/SP3 installer for your exact version - remember it is OEM- or retail-specific unlike Vista/7.

The problem is almost also frequently the SATA controller being too new for XP without SP3:
SATA Drivers - Load in Windows XP Setup on Dual Boot
SATA Drivers - Slipstream into Windows XP CD

Once XP is installed on its partition, mark Win7 Active and boot DVD Repair console or Repair CD to run Startup Repair - Run 3 Separate Times to start Win7, then install EasyBCD 2.02 to add XP to the Multi-boot menu.

If you can use a separate HD, then unplug the other HD during XP install. After install plug back in the Vista/Win7 HD, set preferred HD first to boot in BIOS, boot other OS HD using one-time BIOS boot menu key. This saves a lot of trouble removing one later.
 
XP SP2 does support PCIe. My old computer had a PCIe slot, and I was using it long before I installed SP3.

Edit: It also had SATA ports on the mobo back when it was running SP1. I didn't use them, though. I also have no idea how they compared to "state of the art" SATA ports in today's computers.
 

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Are you using XP w/SP3? If not find a XP w/SP3 installer for your exact version - remember it is OEM- or retail-specific.

Thanks for the tip. I already looked on ebay for XP but they do all seem to be OEM versions now. Has Microsoft stopped selling XP now?

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure what an OEM disk is. Is it a fully installable copy or is it essentially just the recovery disk from some (now defunct) PC? The only experience I've got with OEM disks is from about 8 years ago when I once bought a Toshiba laptop with XP pre-installed. It came with a Toshiba branded DVD for re-installing the OS. However, on the one occasion when I needed to use the DVD, it looked more like it was transferring a disk image rather than a proper re-installation. Obviously, something like that wouldn't be much use to me... :cry:
 

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Thanks for the tip. I already looked on ebay for XP but they do all seem to be OEM versions now. Has Microsoft stopped selling XP now?

To be honest, I'm not 100% sure what an OEM disk is. Is it a fully installable copy or is it essentially just the recovery disk from some (now defunct) PC?
My understanding of an "OEM installation disc" for a copy of Windows is a fully usable true from-scratch installation DVD, but one for whose license product key is only good for ONE machine. It cannot be used for a second machine.

So if you do use it, you can only use it to reinstall Windows on the same physical machine (or one without very much significant hardware upgrade from its original structure). You absolutely could NOT use it to install Windows on a second physical machine. Activation of Windows from that second machine would fail, as the license key is already used by the first machine.

In contrast, "retail" license keys can be used on one machine at a time, but since you are the "owner" you can de-activate it (with Microsoft) from the first machine and then use that same key again to install Windows on a second machine. Activation on the second machine using that same "retail" key would work fine.

So these "OEM" copies of Windows installation disc are fine for you to use and install on exactly one machine, if they are still sealed and never-used. They just can't be used for a second machine once you use them on your first machine.
 

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There is only one difference between OEM and Retail version of Microsoft operating systems: The Retail version comes with technical support from MS (I forget how long - something like 30 days?), while the OEM version comes without any MS support. If you read the license on the package, the purchaser of the OEM version promises to provide all customer support.

The limitation on number of machines is the same, regardless of the version: Only one machine at a time. You CAN delete the OS from one machine and install it on your replacement machine as many times as you wish.

And yes, MS stopped selling the Retail version of XP about two and a half years ago.
 

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You can also try XP Mode if your Windows 7 is Ultimate or Enterprize.
 

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Professional also has XP mode - that's why I paid extra for it. Unfortunately, I have YET to have it actually accomplish anything. If I'd known how inept XP mode was, I wouldn't have bought Pro.
 

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The limitation on number of machines is the same, regardless of the version: Only one machine at a time. You CAN delete the OS from one machine and install it on your replacement machine as many times as you wish.
I'm not convinced this is correct.

Investigating the meaning of OEM licenses from MS reveals the following:

(1) These are called OEM Licenses and of course they come with more restrictions since they are the cheapest. An OEM license only allows you to use the software on the specific computer it came with. In other words, when that computer is old and slow and it is time to throw it away, that license must legally be thrown away as well.

(2) Q. What computer component ties the OEM license to the computer?

A. Short answer – the first motherboard the OS was installed on. In the case of your purchase of an OEM license with a new computer, this license is tied to the motherboard of that system. In the case of a purchase of OEM software from a retail seller, this would be the first motherboard you install the software on, *not* the “hardware” that was bundled with your OEM purchase.

Q. Can a PC with OEM Windows XP have its motherboard upgraded and keep the same license? What if it was replaced because it was defective?

A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.

Q. Can my customers transfer or sell their OEM software licenses?

A. After an OEM software license has been installed on a PC, the license may not be installed on or transferred to another PC. However, the entire PC may be transferred to another end user along with the software license rights. When transferring the PC to the new end user the software media, manuals (if applicable) and certificate of authenticity label must be included. It is also advisable to include the original purchase invoice or receipt. The original end user cannot keep any copies of the software.

The end user license agreement (EULA) is granted to the end user by the System Builder and relates to the license on the PC with which it was originally distributed. Because the System Builder is required to support the license on that original PC, a System Builder can not support a license that has been moved from a PC they manufactured to one that they did not. This is one of the key reasons why an OEM System Builder license can’t be transferred.

Q. My customer bought a new PC and wants to move their OEM software from the old PC to the new one. Can't they do whatever they want with the software?

A. The software is licensed with the computer system on which it was originally installed and is tied to that original machine. OEM licenses are single-use licenses that cannot be installed on more than one computer system even if the original machine is no longer in use. The end user license agreement (EULA) accepted by the customer before they use the software, states that the license may not be shared, transferred to or used concurrently on different computers. The System Builder is required to provide end-user support for the Windows license. A System Builder can not support a license that has been moved from a PC they manufactured to one that they did not — this is a fundamental reason why OEM System Builder licenses can't be transferred."

(3) PRODUCT SUPPORT. Support for the SOFTWARE is not provided by MS, Microsoft Corporation, or their affiliates or subsidiaries. For SOFTWARE support, please refer to Manufacturer's support number provided in the documentation for the HARDWARE. Should you have any questions concerning this EULA, or if you desire to contact Manufacturer for any other reason, please refer to the address provided in the documentation for the HARDWARE.

Basically OEM copies receive no support directly from Microsoft. Rather you must refer to your place of purchase for support *if* they provide such support. Please note that support *generally* comes from smaller OEMS who provide the software bundled with a computer.

(4) "1-2 CPU" labeling.

Some copies of Windows XP have labeling such as "1-2 CPU", this labeling has caused some confusion and misconceptions about what "1-2 CPU" stands for. I direct you to the following excerpt directly copied from the EULA.TXT on any *generic* Windows XP machine:

"Installation and use. You may install, use, access, display and run one copy of the SOFTWARE on the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not be used by more than two (2) processors at any one time on the COMPUTER, unless a higher number is indicated on the COA.

The above statement is clear in that the labeling of "1-2 CPU" means the number of processors on a *single* computer and not that you can install the same copy on two different computers.


I think it's clear... use once and discard.
 

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I'll concede this is what the license says (it's been a while since I read it - the only thing that stood out in my mind was the lack of MS support)

However, I've never had any problem re-using OEM disks on my replacement machines.
 

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I believe the OP says he owns a copy of XP. Is this a retail copy or did it come preinstalled on a computer you bought? If it is retail it can be moved to the new machine as you wish, but I would try to find a SP3 installer to make installation to modern hardware easier.

I shouldn't have mentioned an installer being OEM-specific because if it is OEM XP then it can't move to new hardware anyway. You want a retail XP w/SP3 installer.

If it is retail google "XP [version name] retail SP3" to find an install ISO to download and burn to CD. Make sure you read the listings and comments closely to ascertain that no activation crack or anything else has been added.
 
Yes, I do own a previous XP license which is a full retail copy but it won't install on this new machine (because the install disk is too old). I just bought a (supposedly unused) OEM disk and that does install - but I soon hit the SATA problem that gregrocker mentioned. Luckily I found a setting in the BIOS which allows the SATA hardware to run in "IDE Compatability" mode. With that mode selected, I can install XP. BUT....

With IDE Compatability mode selected, I can't boot Windows 7. This means that to switch between the two OS's I keep needing to go into the BIOS and swap that setting, which is a bit inconvenient.

I have a Win7 installation disk (from another computer) which contains the drivers for IDE Compatability mode. Is there a way to install them on this new PC? e.g. swapping to compatability mode, then asking the other PC's install disk to repair this PC's installation?
 

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Thanks. I looked at that article but it relies upon the SATA AHCI Storage Controller hardware being visible in Device Manager (i.e. so you can install drivers for it). Unfortunately, I need to select the IDE Compatibility mode before I can boot XP. But with Compatibility mode enabled, that device doesn't get listed - so I can't see how I can install the drivers.

I think I'll somehow have to install the Compatibility mode drivers for Win7.
 

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