Any Vapers?

[Night Hawk]

A lot depends on the tank as well as the ejuice in it. Some will find 6-7w adequate if they are running an older DCT or BCC type tank while the latest sub ohm models easily range about 20-40w. With certain menthols or mints that may get dropped to 15w while some berry caramel blends or other desert flavors can be put up around 40-50w in the same tank.

As for 18650s and charging while left in the mod some mods make it a major project to get the battery out while others like the latest DovPo 50w Mini mod have a magnetic battery compartment cover for ease of removal. The DovPo E-LVT use a form of allen head type driver. For usb charging the 5v port on a Sharp alarm clock I may have posted a link for earlier suffices well while I wouldn't make a habit of charging any 18350s, 18500s, 18650s, or even 26650s off a typical pc usb port in contrast. I popped one side(two ports) of a 4 port hub when going to charge a cell phone once too many times from the hub.

The main problem there is simply too high a current a battery will try and pull. Many of the updated mods that allow this have protection circuits, reverse polartiy, and lately temp sensors in some that will cut the charging off High Drain batteries are what are used in the few of that type here. For the Vamo fire, BEC Pro, pair of Vamo V5, V6 the 18650s along with the 18350s used in a pair of e-pipes are simply charged in a Nitecore Digicharger D4 while none of the batteries get hot when charged in the mods themselves. Mech mods on the other hand will lack the protections and many skip getting a safety fuse.

Now for the 4200mah I have run into recently as well as the 5000mah 18650s the 5000s are made by UltraFire and not the better rated brand. I ran into a 4 pack on Amazon where the seller carried them unbranded sold as generic but still the exact as those with the brand name stamped on the side. 18650s, 18xxx, 26xxx type batteries are mainly flashlight batteries to begin with used by security guards, rescue personal, etc. since the batteries are recharged constantly. With mods especially mechs the batteries with the higher amps are generally 1200-2200mah to start with. The Panasonic HDs are about 10A at best while the 5000s are likely allowing for 7 or 8A at best. Not for mechs or high wattage devices!

Now besides the Vamo V2 being the first VV/VW type device it was over a year after starting to vape still lighting up during the first 6 months until I started getting into the better tanks as well as the VW batteries and mods. The Innokin iTaste VV v3.0 for example falls into the catagory Wishmaster was pointing to as far as 6-11w being the range for the 700mah battery, The Innokin MVP2.0 seeing a 2200mah sealed battery in the box style mod saw the same range while the 18650 VTR I mentioned was to see 3-15w like the Vamo and later Smoktech's SMOK Groove II cheapie mod with a 3800mah sealed battery.

As for the contrast of regulated versus mechs those who rebuild RBAs, RDAs, etc. will usually prefer the mechs and the higher amp batteries and simply use the resistance factor to control the output. For the novice or not so elaborate who doesn't want the duss as I am not looking for cloud performance here only a reasonable increase in vapor and flavor production the regulated mods being seen now have been making some serious headway compared to what had been seen mid 2013 thru the summer of 2014.

The iSticks saw the 20w version receive complaints about easy to strip threads and a fire button that rattles or got stuck. The 30w and better 50w models have stainless steel threading and the 50w offers the temp sensor. iSmoka listened to the feedback and then made the necessary improvements. Tanks have still been seeing some duds like the Eleaf Melo sub ohm with an aluminum body and garbage AFC while Aspire, Kanger, Horizon come in as the leading three with their sub ohm. Others may simply be rebranded clones.

 

[xips]

@Wishmaster, the Kbox is an econo box with power presets which work fine with 1.2 ohm coils. I've found the .5 ohm coil needs more resolution than the presets offer. It will soon become my dependable backup to stave off the: my vape gear is down and cigs are only 2 minutes away.

I like what I've seen of Sigelei, the internals look solid. One thing I don't understand is the higher power mods. I'm brainstorming here, but is that much power needed to get the job done? It seems to me that anything over 50w is excessive. I'm new at vaping and still learning but caveat emptor, PT Barnum lives.

@NIght Hawk, speaking of clones, are there any dependable clones? Clone is not a disparaging description while I would consider a counterfeit as an undesirable product. Are there any worthwhile clones?

 

[Night Hawk]

I wouldn't knock higher wattages too quickly. With the tank and atomizer or coil in use things can be rather different then first assumed. If you have an older BCC tank like a Viva Nova or a SMOK Tumbler with a typical 2, 2.4ohm coil you may run that at 10w and no higher since the coil gets too hot.

With an RDA or one of the newer tanks like an Aspire Nautilus or Atlantis sub ohm that newer 20-50w is no longer an unusable commodity but something in use every day. The Atlantis at 20-30w feels like a Tumbler at 7-10w but benefits from the increased vapor and more robust flavor. You don't get a hot vapor at 40w with an Atlantis with a number of flavors you would see at 11w using a Tumbler on a 3-15w Vamo. Speaking of newer tanks and going even higher then 50w here's the info on the latest now seen for sub ohm tanks. Starre Sub-Ohm Tank by Freemax

Starre Tank Features:

• Dual Vertical Coils (DVC) – first in the world
• Working wattage: 20W-100W
• Working voltage: 3-6V
• Sub-ohm resistance: 0.25ohm/0.5ohm
• Capacity: 5ml
• SUS304 Grade Stainless Steel
• Glass tube
• Medical grade cotton
• USA-made coil wire
• Size: 74.8mm(L)*22.00mm(D)

20w all the way upto 100w which is now more commonly seen for all the new mods coming out. The non geek RDA, RBA building champ for cloud vaping skill not required. The average vaper can now turn things up a bit to get that little bit more out of each puff. You no longer need to take a 10min. draw to get a good vape going since the not so much cloud chaser but improvements in vapor production are now being realized.


As for clones not everything labeled clone is made by some lesser quality company but more often something familiar being sold under a different brand name or simply found with a generic wrap like being shipped in a plain unbranded box for a lower price as I have seen with eGo VV/VW batteries. One good example was a Canadian vendor who was carrying the eGo-V V3 Mega 1300mah VV/VW batteries for $24 under GreenVaper while most US were carrying the same under SLB for $35-$40. In a plain unbrand box one US vendor carried them for $30.


At Fasttech a rather notable vendor out of Hong Kong the Eleaf 20w mod was also being carried as the Smart 20 mainly to be sold in a different market such as certain regions that wouldn't any seemingly sold in US brands to be imported? They are the same exact original iStick but with a brand name change.



With other devices tanks, hardwares however you may not run into that and end up with something that stinks! One Big Dripper clone for the Big Dripper RDA tank I ran into on Amazon wasn't even worth the time to look at it! When the coils two preformed were fastened inplace NADA! Nothing happened! It wouldn't even fire later when the two preformed coils were replaced with ones I made up. So the best advice is to look real close at what is labeled clone and cross check things before getting burned. The most commonly cloned items will generally be eGo type batteries which are only made by a coupld of Chinese manufacturers to begin with but sold in all markets and with fancy designs. Those will still be eGo battteries. For better name tanks and devices "Genuine" preferred is the usual recommend.

 

[Wishmaster]

@xips

I guess it depends on what you expect from your gear.
For me personally, yes it WAY over excessive. And its bulky, making it second choice when going out.

But that doesn't mean I dislike or wouldn't recommend them. Solid devices and worth having.


I find Ive been using 2 different builds the most. .6-.9 Ohm build with 26G and a 1.3 Ohm build using 28G.

On the Sub Ohm, I tend to run around 20-25W or so.
On the 1.3ish around 15W (Sometimes 12)

So, yea, 100 is useless for me BUT ... The dual 18650s really last awhile the way I use it. I just charged it up this morning. After just short of 2 days running, it was down to 16% charge.


I could have got by with a 30 - 70W mod Im sure, like the iPV 2 Mini. But I wanted the dual batteries.
That and the fact this thing will fire pretty much anything Im in the mood to build, and whatever wattage, was what sold me.

Its a solid little device and i love it but it is a bit bulky.


if you are interested in one, especially if itll be your only device, watch some videos but more importantly go to a local vape shop and physically hold one. You may find it perfect or too bulky.

When Im out and about, I take my Provari v2 and kayfun setup. At home, I use the Segelei and SubTank. The Segelei doesnt fit in pockets that easily like the Provari does..
Another thing, if interested in them, make sure you get the 'PLUS" version. The Plus has the spring loaded 510. The regular version doesnt and was problematic with the 510 connections at times.


On the Provari/Kayfun lately Ive been running 1.4Ohm (28g) @12 watts. (The ballpark for this setups sweet spot IMHO)

I have the v2.5 Provari which is voltage only. But they recently came out with the P3 which does volt and watt. Its a bit pricey though.

Then they just released a 2105 Clossic Provari that has wattage and voltage settings as well. A bit cheaper, but still pricey compared to others with similar features.
Still, Im a Provari fan. because what they lack in features, they make up for in build quality. These things are built like a truck and will last.
2015 Classic ProVari: Variable Voltage/Wattage Ecig

major downside, they wont fire much below .9 OHm. So serious sub ohm ing is not its things. But for lower resistance builds, 1.2-1.5 PERFECT.

 

[Night Hawk]

A friend had mentioned I could still run the SMY God Mod 180w triple 18650 powered box mod down at 7w-15w if I wanted when I was first looking at the single 18650 battery deals. With the collection here I have Several Vamo type APVs set up as well as simply carrying the 50w iStick when out on the go. Originally priced for over $100 saw that one marked down to $75 at the time and presently seen for $85-.

The 4400mah battery time with the iStick 50W eliminates any need for recharge concerns plus having a second to run as a spare when charging the other. That one will fire as low as 0.2ohm as well as providing the stainless spring loaded 510 connector. I run that about 2-3days before the battery level will finally start to drop compared to trying to run with just one 18650 powered device. At home however I will have multiple devices running a few at the pc desk as well as on the tv stand while still carrying one of the iSticks in a pocket.

For the longest time with any mech or regulated mod like one of the older Vamo models V2-V4 you only saw 3-15w as the maximum range while the mechs are calculated according to ohms and the amps a battery or two would provide. The regular tanks would tend to fail with anything over 10-12w until the better stuff now seen first start arriving a year ago. Sigelei and a few others were the first to top the 25w arena before the onslaught of 100w, 150w, 260w mods become who could be first. Lately however the trend has improved with the wider selection of 20-50w, 65w, 70w devices.

Finally the tanks are starting to play catch up to the wattages being seen. The ejuice you put into a tank will play a large role as well. I've some running in the Nautilus tanks over 20w with 1.6, 1.8ohm coils in those. The key however is finding that infinite "sweet spot" regardless of what gear you are using for each flavor/brand.

 

[Elljay]

 

[Dude]

:roflmao: Nice cloud!

 

[Night Hawk]

Gee that must be a mushroom flavor!

 

[Elljay]

 

[Night Hawk]

The vendor I order from doesn't require any steep time. The flavors are ready to vape out of the bottle. They will start to darken up after a good period of time however.

 

[Elljay]

The vendor I order from doesn't require any steep time. The flavors are ready to vape out of the bottle. They will start to darken up after a good period of time however.

Yes, mine too.

 

[Elljay]

More Clouds...

 

[Night Hawk]

I think you may find that many are not cloud chasers while most will get more from their vaping when the vapor as well as flavor gets a boost. I just heard from someone wanting advice on what to get for a new tank still running 510 cartomizers on an old mech mod and tired of dry wicking issues. Apparently that was one person who never got as far as anything BDC or BCC.

As far as the wait for steeping with most vendors who I have either tried flavors from or included samples with hardware orders the usual is not having to wait long if any wait is needed. A few vendors sell ejuice that is already quite dark in color right out of the bottle. Most however seem to be quite light in color when first seen depending on which flavors they happen to be. Root beer, Cola, coffee, and other drink flavors will tend to be darker.

 

[Elljay]

I think you may find that many are not cloud chasers while most will get more from their vaping when the vapor as well as flavor gets a boost. I just heard from someone wanting advice on what to get for a new tank still running 510 cartomizers on an old mech mod and tired of dry wicking issues. Apparently that was one person who never got as far as anything BDC or BCC.

As far as the wait for steeping with most vendors who I have either tried flavors from or included samples with hardware orders the usual is not having to wait long if any wait is needed. A few vendors sell ejuice that is already quite dark in color right out of the bottle. Most however seem to be quite light in color when first seen depending on which flavors they happen to be. Root beer, Cola, coffee, and other drink flavors will tend to be darker.

I am definitely not a cloud chaser. My niece let me try her Mod... I gag. Lol.
Just thought these images were humorous.
I think it looks ridiculous. The other day, I was at Timmy's having a Java on the patio and this couple came along. They both had Mods and that's exactly what they were doing. They let out huge bellows of vapor. Not a care in the world. The clouds enveloped the people at the next table. These people didn't say a word. I would have been choked and said something. It was really disrespectful.:shock:

 

[Night Hawk]

The unfortunate side of all that is some simply wanting to be showmen with a form of bragging rights?! When compared to someone else simply looking to get more of their vaping experience like I know others besides myself here have been trying to you end up with two types of vapers.

One clear example of showmen would be looking at the vaping contests some places hold where people compete to make the largest of the bunch. For those who simply want to impress everybody by blowing clouds around it can resemble how it was for cigar smokers annoying the average cig smoker in contrast. The analogy being rude and inconsiderate.

Here I can increase the vapor levels without appearing to be a volcano blowing it's top. I could easily start running with 100% VG and hand picked flavors to see much better results at making gushers but prefer the increase in seeing the flavors brought to life more robustly with the improvements in hardwares like running with better tanks. The experience of having gone from CE2 top coiled long wicked 1.6ml as well as blank refillable cig alike cartridges that saw a bit too much dry wicking at times as well as the poor vapor production to the latest BDC, BCC, BVC, sub ohm tanks on better made VV/VW batteries and mods has been a tremendous leap over the last 2 1/2yrs. time.

 

[Elljay]

The unfortunate side of all that is some simply wanting to be showmen with a form of bragging rights?! When compared to someone else simply looking to get more of their vaping experience like I know others besides myself here have been trying to you end up with two types of vapers.

One clear example of showmen would be looking at the vaping contests some places hold where people compete to make the largest of the bunch. For those who simply want to impress everybody by blowing clouds around it can resemble how it was for cigar smokers annoying the average cig smoker in contrast. The analogy being rude and inconsiderate.

Here I can increase the vapor levels without appearing to be a volcano blowing it's top. I could easily start running with 100% VG and hand picked flavors to see much better results at making gushers but prefer the increase in seeing the flavors brought to life more robustly with the improvements in hardwares like running with better tanks. The experience of having gone from CE2 top coiled long wicked 1.6ml as well as blank refillable cig alike cartridges that saw a bit too much dry wicking at times as well as the poor vapor production to the latest BDC, BCC, BVC, sub ohm tanks on better made VV/VW batteries and mods has been a tremendous leap over the last 2 1/2yrs. time.

Lol. Ah yes, this is a good comparison.
I lack in experience as far as time and equipment goes. Though I do research. I am still stuck on the for-mentioned. How ever, they have helped me to finally quit smoking.
I still have a hard time finding juices I like. Then I wonder, maybe it's not the juice but the equipment I'm using. Maybe it's time to step up my game. I'm just not sure what to invest in. I don't want something that makes me choke. I felt self conscious being a smoker because it became such a taboo. So I want something that is less conspicuous...and I definitely don't want to make bellows of vape.

 

[Elljay]

 

[Night Hawk]

The unfortunate side of all that is some simply wanting to be showmen with a form of bragging rights?! When compared to someone else simply looking to get more of their vaping experience like I know others besides myself here have been trying to you end up with two types of vapers.

One clear example of showmen would be looking at the vaping contests some places hold where people compete to make the largest of the bunch. For those who simply want to impress everybody by blowing clouds around it can resemble how it was for cigar smokers annoying the average cig smoker in contrast. The analogy being rude and inconsiderate.

Here I can increase the vapor levels without appearing to be a volcano blowing it's top. I could easily start running with 100% VG and hand picked flavors to see much better results at making gushers but prefer the increase in seeing the flavors brought to life more robustly with the improvements in hardwares like running with better tanks. The experience of having gone from CE2 top coiled long wicked 1.6ml as well as blank refillable cig alike cartridges that saw a bit too much dry wicking at times as well as the poor vapor production to the latest BDC, BCC, BVC, sub ohm tanks on better made VV/VW batteries and mods has been a tremendous leap over the last 2 1/2yrs. time.

Lol. Ah yes, this is a good comparison.
I lack in experience as far as time and equipment goes. Though I do research. I am still stuck on the for-mentioned. How ever, they have helped me to finally quit smoking.
I still have a hard time finding juices I like. Then I wonder, maybe it's not the juice but the equipment I'm using. Maybe it's time to step up my game. I'm just not sure what to invest in. I don't want something that makes me choke. I felt self conscious being a smoker because it became such a taboo. So I want something that is less conspicuous...and I definitely don't want to make bellows of vape.

At first I didn't actually know what to think since while having waited for some time to find out more about "smokeless" or electronic cigarettes to use at times and places when you couldn't light up as well as the substitution of smokeless for smoke there wasn't much information even heard. You didn't even find a single report in any media just a few years ago until the "Fear Monger" scare tactic fabrications came about when the Big $$$$ interests realized vaping would kill off the Big Ts(tobacco companies) and the Big Pharma was not going to have a market for nic patches, gums, chemical loaded nicotine inhalers(some 40 chemicals to an the PG/VG, flavoring(s), nicotine seen with ecigs).

The FDA at first was pressured to investigate by the Obama admin which ended up setting off in their own direction treating ecigs as unregulated medical devices wanting a total ban until overruled by a federal judge! The shipments coming into shopping malls, tobacco and specialy shops back in 2008-09 being detained had to be then let through. And of course those all had "made in China" on them as the industry has since grown phenomenally there.

In contrast to the very few mech mods and cig look alikes seen then the early bird APV(Advanced Personal Vaporizers) like the Smoktech Vamo V2 were just out back in late 2012 as well as 650mah eGo batteries with 2250mah being the long life for 18650s. Once I started sampling for a then new to come ejuice vendor the sadly lacking CE2 clearomizers, DCT tanks(510 threaded cartomizer inserts) suffered greatly when trying to evaluate each new flavor most by the same while still off on those from a few other sources tried. 2013 was a long year to get to the 1300mah eGo VV/VW batteries and SMOK Tumbler tanks that definitely were the rule not only for me but for those who had recommended them running them at 6-10w on the old 3-15w, and Innokin 6-11w batteries and mods.

2014 went by much better while still needing that extra edge now being seen with the sub ohm tanks that are geared for higher watts without turning into the hot vape many still fear as seen with the too high on volts for CE2-CE4 outdated long wicked compared to the BCC, BDC, and especially updated clearomizers seeing BVC or Bottom Vertical Coil and even word on BDVC or Bottom Dual Vertical Coil in the 1.6ml eGo type clearomizers. Those still sadly lack however since while the dry wicking is gone the low output seen on eGo type batteries and still able to crank volts, watts leaves those limited.

Now besides RDAs and mech mods one other new tank lately supports 20w-100w on the newer, latest VW mods seen out. There's a lot to take in however to find the winning combo that will suit your personal needs the best however! Once you get as far as seeing great vapor and flavors made far more robust in the process the cig alikes and small eGo type batteries will tend to sit on the shelves. Yet I still keep a few Tumblers in use while having two mod stands with VW type batteries along with a few mods running typically for a few fast grab menthol flavors or those were menthol was requested. That can work at times like a drink on the ice during the warmer weather.

 

[vapordan11]

So a few weeks after I purchased the IPV4, I just found out they are coming out with a Sigelei 75W www.vaporizerchief.com/sigelei-75w-box-mod/ version with temperature control. It looks like temp control mods are the way of the future. How do you guys think this will stack up against the IPV4?

 

[Night Hawk]

Sigelei has a good name and there is always some other new mod to be coming out. I found that out when Innokin announced the 30w MVP 3.0 just after I had ordered the 20w. When the 30w and 50w iSticks with temp control were announced I waited and skipped over the 30w for a pair of the 50Ws which have worked out very well.

The temp sensor keeps the internal components from being overheated as the tank attached heats up when turning the watts up. That's an updated layer of protection now being seen with a number of better made regulated not mechanical mods. I was looking at the IPV4s here but passed due to the initial high pricing being seen on those as well as a list of other similar mods. I ended up with a 150w Luyoun wooden box mod for less as well as picking out a few other 50w models for about the same as the 50w iStick is going for which works with the Atlantis sub ohm tanks nicely! iPV4 100W Box Mod seen now for only $75.99

SMY is another one with some great looking compacts in the ball park as well. Speaking of high prices if you are considering the Authentic Sigelei 75W Box Mod W/ Temperature Control you can find that for a bit less as well by simply shopping around. I paid about $45 + S&H with 510/eGo adapter and charging cord while other places wanted $60 for same as a kit by doing a little pricing homework.

Once you try going over 50w the tank or RDA will play a role however. I'm trying to relocate one new sub ohm tank in the works that will handle 20w-100w just seen lately. That particular tank would simply be for use with the 150w mod since the Nautilus and Atlantis tanks have been otherwise doing the job very well on the other APVs and box mods alike. The temp sensoe feature is certainly something to consider for any new mod at this time.