Solved Backup Program with Bare-Metal Install and Incremental Features

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I am looking for a Win 7 backup and restore program that can do the ff.

1. Do an image backup which can be used for a recovery (in case the system won't load or some program won't run) or a bare-metal install (if the HD has to be replaced or reformatted);

2. Do a scheduled incremental file backup based on what was added or changed since the image backup or the previous incremental backup; in addition to the bare-metal install from the image backup, all incremental file backups can be restored, bringing the system back to the state from the last incremental backup;

3. If the backup disk is filled to a certain percentage (say, 80 pct), then the image backup is deleted and a new one is made. If the new image backup is successful, then all incremental backups are deleted. New incremental backups will be based on the new image backup.

4. One also has the option to schedule both the image backup (e.g., every month, every six months, every year, etc.) and the incremental backups (e.g., daily, weekly, etc.).

A free program that can use a network drive as a backup is preferable.
 

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MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
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Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5B-VM SE (LGA775)
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Corsair PC2-6400 (400 MHz) 4.00 GB DDR2
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GeForce 9600 GT 1024 MB
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SB Audigy
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LG W2252
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1680x1050 @ 60Hz
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977GB Seagate ST31000528AS ATA Device (SATA)
488GB Seagate ST3500630AS ATA Device (SATA)
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Corsair HX750W
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Antec 900
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Thermaltake fans
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Microsoft Sidewinder X6
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Microsoft Sidewinder Mouse
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D-Link DIR-655 router
WD My Book 1.0 TB
Buffalo NAS LS-CHL v2 2 TB
Windows 7 Backup and Restore.

We have tutorials on its use.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop
OS
MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
CPU
AMD A10-4600M
Motherboard
AMD Pumori (Socket FT1)
Memory
6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)
Graphics Card(s)
AMD Radeon HD 7660G
Sound Card
High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz)
Screen Resolution
1600x900@60Hz
Hard Drives
SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device
Keyboard
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse
HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410
Internet Speed
What the local pub, local coffee shop offers.
Other Info
Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device


Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed.
Windows Backup does not have network capabilities on Home Premium.
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 1425
Memory
8 GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Intel(R) HD Graphics
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Builtin
Screen Resolution
1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
Hard Drives
250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
2TB WD MyBook Live NAS.
Mouse
Logitech Anywhere MX
Internet Speed
152 Mbs download 10 Mbs upload
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Norton 360
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Chrome
Also, for the incremental backups, Win 7 backup filled up the storage for the backups, and I had to delete some sets manually to free up space.

I'm looking for something like a set-and-forget program, i.e., that will delete the scheduled full backup and incremental sets automatically after a certain period or after the backup storage has been filled to a certain extent. I'll settle for something that can't back up to network drives or that's not free.
 

My Computer

OS
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5B-VM SE (LGA775)
Memory
Corsair PC2-6400 (400 MHz) 4.00 GB DDR2
Graphics Card(s)
GeForce 9600 GT 1024 MB
Sound Card
SB Audigy
Monitor(s) Displays
LG W2252
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 @ 60Hz
Hard Drives
977GB Seagate ST31000528AS ATA Device (SATA)
488GB Seagate ST3500630AS ATA Device (SATA)
PSU
Corsair HX750W
Case
Antec 900
Cooling
Thermaltake fans
Keyboard
Microsoft Sidewinder X6
Mouse
Microsoft Sidewinder Mouse
Internet Speed
2 Mbps
Other Info
D-Link DIR-655 router
WD My Book 1.0 TB
Buffalo NAS LS-CHL v2 2 TB
If you wan't a full imaging and F&F backup system that is not free and can backup to the network with scheduling and space management try Macrium Reflect Standard edition.
 

My Computer

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Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 1425
Memory
8 GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Intel(R) HD Graphics
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Builtin
Screen Resolution
1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
Hard Drives
250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
2TB WD MyBook Live NAS.
Mouse
Logitech Anywhere MX
Internet Speed
152 Mbs download 10 Mbs upload
Antivirus
Norton 360
Browser
Chrome
Good advice from Kado again here.
I'm a bit wary of incremental backups.

Edit: I actually meant incremental (image) backups. Not file/folder backups!
 
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PC/Desktop
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Own build
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Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
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Intel i7 2600k
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ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe
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G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB
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Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+)
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Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350
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1920x1080
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Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB, Samsung SSD 840 120GB, Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS x2
PSU
Seasonic M12II 520W
Case
Lian Li Lancool PC-K60
Cooling
Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+
Keyboard
Logitech MK520 (wireless)
Mouse
Logitech MK520
Internet Speed
6-7 Mbps
Antivirus
Norton Security Premium, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC)
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FireFox
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Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1
Thanks! How about free or available programs? I read elsewhere that one is using Win 7 Backup (or Macrium Free) for the image backup and Synctoy for incrementals, but I'm not sure how the auto disk management works for the latter. Maybe Cobian can be used as an alternative.

Also, what do you think of the free version of Genie Timeline? It uses block level backups.
 

My Computer

OS
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5B-VM SE (LGA775)
Memory
Corsair PC2-6400 (400 MHz) 4.00 GB DDR2
Graphics Card(s)
GeForce 9600 GT 1024 MB
Sound Card
SB Audigy
Monitor(s) Displays
LG W2252
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 @ 60Hz
Hard Drives
977GB Seagate ST31000528AS ATA Device (SATA)
488GB Seagate ST3500630AS ATA Device (SATA)
PSU
Corsair HX750W
Case
Antec 900
Cooling
Thermaltake fans
Keyboard
Microsoft Sidewinder X6
Mouse
Microsoft Sidewinder Mouse
Internet Speed
2 Mbps
Other Info
D-Link DIR-655 router
WD My Book 1.0 TB
Buffalo NAS LS-CHL v2 2 TB

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Toshiba Satellite S875D-S7239 laptop
OS
MS Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 64-bit
CPU
AMD A10-4600M
Motherboard
AMD Pumori (Socket FT1)
Memory
6.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-12-28)
Graphics Card(s)
AMD Radeon HD 7660G
Sound Card
High Definition Audio Device
Monitor(s) Displays
Generic PnP Monitor (1600x900@60Hz)
Screen Resolution
1600x900@60Hz
Hard Drives
SSD 119GB Corsair CSSD-V128GB2 ATA Device
Keyboard
Standard PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse
HP Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse Model FHA-3410
Internet Speed
What the local pub, local coffee shop offers.
Other Info
Optical Drive:MATSHITA BD-CMB UJ160B ATA Device


Also have an Asus ha1002xp netbook with Win 7 Ultimate installed.
Good advice from Kado again here.
I'm a bit wary of incremental backups.

As am I. I prefer differential as the are fewer points of failure. Most free data backup programs such as SyncToy or FreeFileSync (which I prefer) don't have space management facilities so you probably need a paid program.
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 1425
Memory
8 GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Intel(R) HD Graphics
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Builtin
Screen Resolution
1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
Hard Drives
250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
2TB WD MyBook Live NAS.
Mouse
Logitech Anywhere MX
Internet Speed
152 Mbs download 10 Mbs upload
Antivirus
Norton 360
Browser
Chrome
I found a comment about tweaks of the registry for Win 7 backup, but I do not know if it will partially manage disk space automatically. Please take a look at it here (it's the fourth comment after the web log entry):

Managing backup disk space - The Storage Team at Microsoft - File Cabinet Blog - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

I set Win 7 backup to back up as recommended and scheduled daily. The first backup is full with a system image created, and then the rest are incremental. I wait until the backup disk is full and the count the number of days until that happened. Say, the backup disk becomes almost full in 30 days.

From there, I enable AutomaticFullBackup Enabled to 1 and set TimePeriodInDays to 30 (for 30 days). Does this mean that every 30 days Win 7 backup will erase the previous full backup and incremental backups and start afresh with a full backup?

Finally, I don't understand what OlderFilesSizePercentage does.
 

My Computer

OS
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5B-VM SE (LGA775)
Memory
Corsair PC2-6400 (400 MHz) 4.00 GB DDR2
Graphics Card(s)
GeForce 9600 GT 1024 MB
Sound Card
SB Audigy
Monitor(s) Displays
LG W2252
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 @ 60Hz
Hard Drives
977GB Seagate ST31000528AS ATA Device (SATA)
488GB Seagate ST3500630AS ATA Device (SATA)
PSU
Corsair HX750W
Case
Antec 900
Cooling
Thermaltake fans
Keyboard
Microsoft Sidewinder X6
Mouse
Microsoft Sidewinder Mouse
Internet Speed
2 Mbps
Other Info
D-Link DIR-655 router
WD My Book 1.0 TB
Buffalo NAS LS-CHL v2 2 TB
It looks like those registry tweaks are for the way Windows controls the way in creates data (file and folder) backup sets. A backup set contains one full and 0 or more incremental backups. There doesn't seem to be a tweak there to control the total space used or the total number of backup sets held.
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 1425
Memory
8 GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Intel(R) HD Graphics
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Builtin
Screen Resolution
1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
Hard Drives
250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
2TB WD MyBook Live NAS.
Mouse
Logitech Anywhere MX
Internet Speed
152 Mbs download 10 Mbs upload
Antivirus
Norton 360
Browser
Chrome
You're right!

What do you think of this free option?

Win 7 Backup (system image only) or Macrium Free Reflect (for network drives), scheduled monthly

Genie9 Timeline (free version), scheduled daily (with auto-purge feature)
 

My Computer

OS
MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1
CPU
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz
Motherboard
ASUSTeK Computer INC. P5B-VM SE (LGA775)
Memory
Corsair PC2-6400 (400 MHz) 4.00 GB DDR2
Graphics Card(s)
GeForce 9600 GT 1024 MB
Sound Card
SB Audigy
Monitor(s) Displays
LG W2252
Screen Resolution
1680x1050 @ 60Hz
Hard Drives
977GB Seagate ST31000528AS ATA Device (SATA)
488GB Seagate ST3500630AS ATA Device (SATA)
PSU
Corsair HX750W
Case
Antec 900
Cooling
Thermaltake fans
Keyboard
Microsoft Sidewinder X6
Mouse
Microsoft Sidewinder Mouse
Internet Speed
2 Mbps
Other Info
D-Link DIR-655 router
WD My Book 1.0 TB
Buffalo NAS LS-CHL v2 2 TB
Sounds good to me.
 

My Computer

Computer type
Laptop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Hewlett-Packard/G62-107SA Notebook
OS
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit Service Pack 1
CPU
Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 1425
Memory
8 GB DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Intel(R) HD Graphics
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Builtin
Screen Resolution
1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
Hard Drives
250 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
2TB Seagate GoFlex USB 2 Drive
1TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive
1.5TB Iomega Prestige USB 2 Drive (Samsung)
2TB WD MyBook Live NAS.
Mouse
Logitech Anywhere MX
Internet Speed
152 Mbs download 10 Mbs upload
Antivirus
Norton 360
Browser
Chrome
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