Borderlands and AA

[ezeht]

Ya wish I love my siren- The soldier is my fav then siren then hunter- I will not play as a brick. I play my siren more stand off- she can die easy and being she has no bird or turret etc. She is still lots of fun tho. I turned off or re done my skills to get rid of Phoenix- when crouched you can not see through the flames sucks- but it is good to have and set bots on fire. In the way when in crouch bites..

She is so cute and kick ass..

 

[ezeht]

Sorry mickey- You are welcome if you care to give it a try..

 

[sygnus21]

Here's mine with MLAA enabled at 4xEQ (Cat Drivers 11.4)









The edges have more of a funky fuzz around them with MLAA enabled.

A little info on MLAA here and here.

 

[ezeht]

I have posted these vids before. You folks are welcome to any gear I have. As for mode stuff the mod rose sheild and stock mg does not matter what your lev is you can use them with a new player if you want to.. Another thing my bud and i will do when just trying to lev up a player just for storage is 1 will drop all his gear near a machine so the other can pick it all up and sell it and get his cash over 99999 then he does not have to worry about trying to pick up everything for cash- he can just pick up what he wants to use.

And trying to lev up a new player using mod stuff is cool they do not have to lay back while others more high lev kill everything- He can play up front with them and not have to worry about dying ever 2 seconds and need to be helped.. If trying to play no mods is one thing- but can burden others if more high lev..

Check out these vids- you folks can have any thing you want..>

YouTube - Borderlands me siren gear 5-7-11.avi

YouTube - borderlands me hunters gear 3-21-11.avi

* me siren has the most new stuff and from her craw- I have not checked back to back with my hunter tho- one or the other has some better stuff and most of my guns with ammo gen are just for that- I do not normally use them other to regen ammo- so I do not care if they are not real powerful.. My hunter has the best craw tho- better than all other folks I play with too..

Maybe you guys have tested lots of stuff and have your likes or not.. I have found when farming craw it is best to use class skill mods what ever they are called that help out the team- extra team health or shield regen what ever versus just for your character like give your self better sniper or what ever. I am saying playing alone or with others. My craws drop better stuff more often if using class mods that are team oriented..

 

[ezeht]

Good info to know if you do not already.

How to drop dupe gear and out..

Host can not do it- You need a guest friend etc and can not have others running around and near save points or will mess it up..

Give all gear to be duped to your guest bud and then save run near the save point or wait until the game saves- you will see the icon when the game saves- then move away from the save point- have your guest drop all the gear to be duped then your friend has to press and hold-->

Ctrl Alt F4

He will exit the game- the host can pick up all the gear while the guest is dropping it and then the host can go and save again [after the guest is gone- not before] he will have all his gear etc. When the guest restarts his game or enters the game or comes back to your game he will have all the gear he just dropped because he did not save after dropping it- Bamb! Drop duping and sharing your gear or good stuff you both might find in the game or farming craw what ever.. All your guests can do this 1 at a time. Just all need to know what is going on and so they stay away from the save points..

I farm glitch my armory alone or with my best bud. After we look at everything and maybe pick up what we want. We go to a corner or something and un equip our shields and toss a nade in the corner near our self one at a time- guest first and kill our selves. You re spawn just out side of the armory and do not lock your self out..

Bl during normal play can bug or glitch or crash sometimes- it is a good thing to back up your save game folder every few days- then it will not hurt ya so much. I some times back up mine after every day I play it and or find good stuff. And even if I sell everything or give it away or rotate out stuff what ever- I can always re load an older save and have all my older gear If I care to.

Have fun..

 

[mickey megabyte]

ezeht, i don't understand a lot of what you mean

i've only really played it single player as roland the 'assault' guy - i'm a shooter at heart

i don't know what you mean by 'craw' or 'mod stuff'.

are craw those leathery bird things? and by farming them, do you mean spam-shooting them to pick up loot?

i've only tried playing with others two or three times, and i was unlucky enough to end up playing with some 12 year old duckhead who had his microphone on without realising it......and totally ignored me. so i gave up pretty fast...

and when you say that we are welcome to whatever gear you have, what you got??

all that stuff about farming, duping, glitching etc seems a bit gamey for my personal taste - i would rather earn stuff for myself the 'proper' way.

anyway, this time around i'm playing as lilith for a change - i did consider mordecai, as i remember using a lot of sniping (using a fave yellow rifle) for most of the game as roland.

i've never tried any dlc yet either - which single one do you all recommend? and should i play it at any particular level, or jump right in?

 

[ezeht]

No mickey its all cool

Crawmerax the invincible Craw for short. is in the dlc general knoxx he drops tons of gear when you kill him..>

http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Crawmerax_the_Invincible

Farming is a normal term we gamers use. Farming is like you play an area or the whole game for the stash boxes what ever and restart the game and do it again or over and over again. Like say new haven boxes it is what 6 boxes there- you can farm them restart you game and do it over and over that is called farming.

Duping and or glitching- well duping can be considered as gamey maybe- but not really- all you are doing is sharing your gear with others. Gliching is using built into the game glitches not necessarily meant to be glitched or found. But you can farm your armory using this 1 glitch and not lock your self out like you would if you complete all the armory missions- once you have completed them all you are locked out and can not go in any more.. Mod gear is what it is some one made it and is more powerful than normal stuff- but is in the open and not lied about and you are not cheated like in all other mp games where folks seem like good players etc when they are using hacks and cheating ya the whole time..

To use mods or to dupe or glitch is on you- its not forced on ya- its just some try and ruin your day or game because they are against some things etc.. Borderlands is meant for every 1 to find his own stuff but is times or when all playing a new player from start of the game and getting back pack slots only 1 player can get the slot sucks- Or 1 player finds a sweet gun or shield and the others do not- duping all can have that same gear-

 

[ezeht]

Craw and his minions are always 2 to 4 levs above you and can take forever to beat him. I use my mod gear on him to farm him as fast as possible up to 7x or any more the game might crash and then restart the game and drive back and do it over and over again. I am trying to get better stuff not make it a job- Tho I have beat him with out mod stuff but again takes for ever and you die a lot.

4 levs above you is near impossible to beat and he has his minions running around after ya too- it can be frustrating..

 

[ezeht]

If you do not have the dlc's you can not join my game- but I can join yours-

 

[ezeht]

Borderlands is not like other games where all folks have same exact gear like in say cod. In borderlands it has millions of guns etc. but 99% are all junk just to sell. Some or most folks have no probs with duping and sharing gear or even mod gear.

We play mod or not or duel with mods or not or test our mods against each others unless we all have the same mods etc. Or can use a mod shield and just melee everything and not use a gun if trying to build up your melee skills what ever. You do not have to use any of it or dupe and share your gear or want others gear- but if cool about it and not have fits or itch about it you are welcome etc.

As said I have good gear I can play mod gear or not- all my not mod gear came from my craws- only my mod stuff was give to me - My normal gear or a lot of it has been duped and give to others tho- or my 1 bud any way- or most of it other than new stuff my siren has got lately from her craw.. Normally I get my bud and we drop dupe and move gear between our extra characters. My other craws suck for the most part but my siren craw gets better or if I farm him a lot..

 

[mickey megabyte]

thanks for explaining things to this 43 year old country boy, ezeht

as you say, nothing is forced on you - everyone can play the game as they wish.

 

[ezeht]

Some folks start multi characters just for storage- but to get all the storage slots you have to play the game and lev them up etc. 1 character might hold all the shot guns etc or another all sniper rifles etc. You still need a friend and drop dupe to move stuff to your other characters- so.

Well I am a 48 year old retard so do not feel bad- ha ha..

 

[ezeht]

You have some folks I call purists- they have their own sites or some or in other threads out side of gear box and they hate mod gear etc- they plan out and talk about and tell each other how to go to folks games and ask to see or hold their gear and then run off and sell it so it is gone- or they think so any way- they are butt holes and or fan boys and hang out at gear box like they are the only folks on earth or play the game and try and get patches what ever to suit them or thier likes what ever- I hate them.

I have a kick um for the hell of it list with all gear box forum screen names if they join my game using gear box screen name and I catch it I kick um unless I like them and know they are cool- I wish I had a perm ban button..

Some folks join your game just to mess it up they keep trying to spawn ya to what ever maps over and over and if you kick them they come back and keep on and on- a perm ban button will solve it and if it can ban his ip or what ever it is where even if change screen names they can not come back would be best..

Some folks are just pure ass wipes man- what can I say..

 

[mickey megabyte]

being single or playing singly means you only have to deal with one particular 'ass-wipe' at a time.

 

[ezeht]

Craw does not just drop tons of gear it is all high lev gear and more chance to get special gear like pearlescents etc and higher shields- and many guns etc that cost 99999 etc. the more players the more he drops like 20 or 30 or more boxes 50 boxes worth all at 1 time..That is why folks farm him and over and over or all day long etc..

Pearlescent - Borderlands Wiki - Walkthroughs, Weapons, Classes, Character builds, Enemies, DLC and more!

 

[ezeht]

Any way you ask what do I have. I posted 2 videos in the other posts of my gear. I said I will share it all if you want any of it.. You may not. You can check out the videos and look at my gear maybe some or all of it is better than yours you can see what you might find laters- no one gun is one gun and the game and never drop it again. Much of the stuff the game auto dupes it its self so duping is not like killing god or any thing.. I have found same guns or other stuff many times. Some boxes together can have same exact stuff in each box- again that is duplicates dupes.

So duping with friends should not be a big deal- just you and yor friends have same gear faster or more so than 1 friend has worst luck etc.. Mod stuff is another story- but some folks come to your game ask if you want mod stuff and just drop it and go and have never talked to ya or played with you other than that- again mod stuff is in the open in the game- I am ok with it..

Just playing the last 2 days with my new hunter I have had the same exact pistols or shotguns dropped by bots or skags or waste piles what ever in boxes 12x each. It kind of pisses me off a lil because I can not upgrade what I have - all I can do is sell it- and I have found same exact gear playing in other folks games too- so duping should not make folks have fits or any thing.. if so its kind of silly really..

Ha ha they have whole threads at gear box for trading and said no dupes or mods- they are idiots because the game dupes stuff all the time- no one gun is one gun and only 1 person will ever have it. Them people claim to be so dang smart and will rip me over my grammar or spelling yet they post stupid crap like that and act like ass wipes or think his 1 gun is the only one in the game- they are idiots.. If they care to cry about mod stuff well I can understand that- but they can play together with folks with no mods or said they have none any way- Who else is more easy cheated then folks said to have none and you think you can trust them- its comical..

Oh man Id have a good time with a fool at gear box in a trading thread and he has a gun and I have one just like it. Well he never duped it I never duped mine or played with him or we gave it to each other how can he explain it- he can not. What call me a cheater and look stupid- what I broke into his house and copied his save games or something- what? I do not know how to mod or use willow tree- I am afraid of it and might ruin my game- its silly. If I did know how to use the mod tools id give my self 100 slots or something to carry more stuff- so.

 

[Wishmaster]

Sygnus brought up a very valid question earlier in the the thread:

@ Wishmaster, so is this the placebo effect or do you actually notice AA working in the game?

And though things do seem to look better with it on, at least to me, it also had me wondering ..
How much is it actually helping and how much is just percieved to be working.

As we've all noticed, there is a certain level of alaising still present no matter what.

Anyway, I tried to stand in the exact same spot, so as posistioning wouldnt be much of a factor, and took a couple screenshots.

Heres what I came up with:

No AA At all.


x4AA with Multisampling:


x2AA with x2SuperSample:


It seems to me it does indeed help, although not as well as it should. Notice the powerlines and Flag pole?

But for me, it also seems that much over x4 Multi and the results are not that apparent.
Ive settled with x4 Mulit.

 

[mickey megabyte]

it certainly is subtle, so i've blown things up 300% to make it a bit clearer:

no aa



4x adaptive multi-sample aa - as far as i know, adaptive aa is meant to help with objects with holes in them, such as the railings.



as you can see, there is a difference on the power lines, and the verticals too. ideally i should have taken the shot with 16x aa, but i'm too lazy to do it now.

note that the original screenshots were taken from exactly the same place, with exactly the same view without touching either the movement keys nor the mouse - it's only that the crops weren't cropped exactly at the same place - i was a bit slack in photoshop there so it's not as if a slight change of view changed the edges at all.

i don't think you're ever going to completely eliminate aliasing in borderlands unless they rewrite the code and remake all the objects.

that's never going to happen, so until then we're going to have to do the best we can.

i'm not convinced now that the config tool helps the aa (check my signature quote) - but it does add extra little options such as vysnc, disabling intro movies etc - i found that pre-config tool i was getting bad tearing, even with vsync forced on, but now it's gone.

all the config tool does is to change entries in the ini files, and just saves a bit of manual work.

 

[ezeht]

Looks to me changes you guys are making is better. Maybe its just the photo or lighting what ever but looks best changes can be seen in mickeys photos.

Hope you guys can get happy with it soon so you can go into full playing mode and have some fun- not that you are not already.

Me just woke up think I will be playing something soon- not sure maybe borderlands maybe stalker- might even go justcause2.

If you guys wanted to hook up id surely go borderlands tho

 

[ezeht]

The skags are happy not to be dead. Mercs rebel in are absence.. Tannis has no one to talk too..