Defrag question.

Billy

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I just downloaded Auslogics Disk Defrag last night, acording to it I have 21% fragmented when windows says 0% is this normal?

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My Computer

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Home Premium x64
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Intel e7400 2.8GHz Dual Core, OC @ 3.36GHz
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Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L/S3L
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4GB DDR2 1066
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Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
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Realtek Surround Onboard.
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ASUS VW224, 22 Inch and Samsung SyncMaster 713v
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Main Screen @1680x1050, Secondary @ 1280x1024
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Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
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Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU 500W
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Rosewill R5601-BK Screw-less
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Two 120mm fans and Stock CPU fans
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Old Dell Keyboard my neighbor gave me.
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Logitech MX518
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I would guess it is normal.

Windows defrag only considers fragments below a certain size (64k??) and the other program may consider all fragments. Windows engineers apparently believe that larger fragments are insignificant and can be ignored.
 

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PC/Desktop
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Ignatz Special; 4 speed manual gearbox; factory air conditioning; one of one
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Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
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Intel Skylake i5-6600K, not overclocked
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AsRock Z170M Extreme 4, micro ATX
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8 GB HyperX DDR4-2666 (2 x 4 GB)
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none; graphics are integrated on CPU
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onboard: Realtek ALC1150; external: USB Behringer UF0-202
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Dell S2340M 23 inch IPS
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1600 x 900
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System: Crucial MX100 series SSD, 128 GB;
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Rosewill SilentNight 500 watt fanless, semi-modular
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Antec Solo II
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Noctua NH-U12S; Noctua F12 intake, Noctua S12A exhaust
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Microsoft 200 6JH-00001 USB
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Dell or Microsoft optical wired; USB
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Pale Moon
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All fans PWM; speeds at idle: CPU circa 500 rpm; intake circa 600 rpm; exhaust circa 600 rpm; CPU temps 27 idle and 47 C load in a warm room (27 C/81 F) when running Intel Extreme Tuning Utility stress test.
Ah. That makes sense. Thanks.
 

My Computer

OS
Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel e7400 2.8GHz Dual Core, OC @ 3.36GHz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L/S3L
Memory
4GB DDR2 1066
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
Sound Card
Realtek Surround Onboard.
Monitor(s) Displays
ASUS VW224, 22 Inch and Samsung SyncMaster 713v
Screen Resolution
Main Screen @1680x1050, Secondary @ 1280x1024
Hard Drives
Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
PSU
Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU 500W
Case
Rosewill R5601-BK Screw-less
Cooling
Two 120mm fans and Stock CPU fans
Keyboard
Old Dell Keyboard my neighbor gave me.
Mouse
Logitech MX518
Internet Speed
6Kbps
Other Info
Logitech X-540 70 watts 5.1 Speakers
According to the OS, a defrag is only requried when it shows that 10% of the HD needs defrag. The 10% is based on the windows analysis. I do not do a defrag that much. It is really only requeird when there are many installs and uninstalls but I do check. The system will not make a manual defrag unless you have met the 10% requirement.
 

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell XPS 420
OS
Windows 10, Home Clean Install
CPU
Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech
Motherboard
Dell
Memory
6 gb
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650
Sound Card
Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
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Dell SP2009W 20"
Hard Drives
640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive
Cooling
Fan
Keyboard
Dell USB Keyboard
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Dell Premium Optical USB
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DSL 2.85
Well I just a system image but didn't want to image some of my games and music / videos so I moved them off the drive then back. Thought a defrag was warranted.
 

My Computer

OS
Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel e7400 2.8GHz Dual Core, OC @ 3.36GHz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L/S3L
Memory
4GB DDR2 1066
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
Sound Card
Realtek Surround Onboard.
Monitor(s) Displays
ASUS VW224, 22 Inch and Samsung SyncMaster 713v
Screen Resolution
Main Screen @1680x1050, Secondary @ 1280x1024
Hard Drives
Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
PSU
Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU 500W
Case
Rosewill R5601-BK Screw-less
Cooling
Two 120mm fans and Stock CPU fans
Keyboard
Old Dell Keyboard my neighbor gave me.
Mouse
Logitech MX518
Internet Speed
6Kbps
Other Info
Logitech X-540 70 watts 5.1 Speakers
Well I just a system image but didn't want to image some of my games and music / videos so I moved them off the drive then back. Thought a defrag was warranted.

You made a wise choice and I am glad that you made the defrag. I was just trying to share some information about defrag and future use. You were very astute, to make the defrag. Happy Holiday to you and your loved ones.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell XPS 420
OS
Windows 10, Home Clean Install
CPU
Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech
Motherboard
Dell
Memory
6 gb
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650
Sound Card
Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell SP2009W 20"
Hard Drives
640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive
Cooling
Fan
Keyboard
Dell USB Keyboard
Mouse
Dell Premium Optical USB
Internet Speed
DSL 2.85
I would guess it is normal.

Windows defrag only considers fragments below a certain size (64k??) and the other program may consider all fragments. Windows engineers apparently believe that larger fragments are insignificant and can be ignored.

a few large fragments are insignificant and won't affect the speed of your system at all. It's only when files get scattered across the HDD that fragmentation becomes an issue. Anything over about 20% fragmentation is where you start to see a noticeable drop in performance. With less than that, defragmentation is unnecessary & might even slow your computer down by rearranging files in a way that makes everything load slower. On the other hand, if you need to image your drive, compacting everything as tight as possible, a good way to do that is with gparted live on a usb stick
 
I would guess it is normal.

Windows defrag only considers fragments below a certain size (64k??) and the other program may consider all fragments. Windows engineers apparently believe that larger fragments are insignificant and can be ignored.

a few large fragments are insignificant and won't affect the speed of your system at all. It's only when files get scattered across the HDD that fragmentation becomes an issue. Anything over about 20% fragmentation is where you start to see a noticeable drop in performance. With less than that, defragmentation is unnecessary & might even slow your computer down by rearranging files in a way that makes everything load slower. On the other hand, if you need to image your drive, compacting everything as tight as possible, a good way to do that is with gparted live on a usb stick

Yeah they're mostly video files that are fragmented from what I can tell. I ran the defrag a few more times, fragmentation is less than 5% now. Thanks for all the information everyone.
 

My Computer

OS
Home Premium x64
CPU
Intel e7400 2.8GHz Dual Core, OC @ 3.36GHz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3L/S3L
Memory
4GB DDR2 1066
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce 9800 GT
Sound Card
Realtek Surround Onboard.
Monitor(s) Displays
ASUS VW224, 22 Inch and Samsung SyncMaster 713v
Screen Resolution
Main Screen @1680x1050, Secondary @ 1280x1024
Hard Drives
Western Digital WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s
PSU
Thermaltake Purepower W0100RU 500W
Case
Rosewill R5601-BK Screw-less
Cooling
Two 120mm fans and Stock CPU fans
Keyboard
Old Dell Keyboard my neighbor gave me.
Mouse
Logitech MX518
Internet Speed
6Kbps
Other Info
Logitech X-540 70 watts 5.1 Speakers
Glad that we could start you off to a Happy New Year. All the best to you and your loved ones.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell XPS 420
OS
Windows 10, Home Clean Install
CPU
Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech
Motherboard
Dell
Memory
6 gb
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650
Sound Card
Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell SP2009W 20"
Hard Drives
640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive
Cooling
Fan
Keyboard
Dell USB Keyboard
Mouse
Dell Premium Optical USB
Internet Speed
DSL 2.85
I think that somehow fragmentation of the HDD in 7 is higher than in previous versions of windows. By the way, I recomend defragmenting the system partition whenever when it gets above 5% fragmentation - I did that and my laptot runs noticeably faster! :)
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Asus K70IC
OS
Windows 7 Premium 64b
CPU
Intel T6600
Memory
4GB
Graphics Card(s)
NV Geforce GT 220M
Screen Resolution
1600*900
Hard Drives
500GB
I think that somehow fragmentation of the HDD in 7 is higher than in previous versions of windows. By the way, I recomend defragmenting the system partition whenever when it gets above 5% fragmentation - I did that and my laptot runs noticeably faster! :)

The larger the HD the higher the required percenage.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Dell XPS 420
OS
Windows 10, Home Clean Install
CPU
Intel Core2 processsor Q8200(2.33Ghz 1333FSB) Quad Core Tech
Motherboard
Dell
Memory
6 gb
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon 256MB HD3650
Sound Card
Intergrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell SP2009W 20"
Hard Drives
640 GB Serial ATA Hard drive
Cooling
Fan
Keyboard
Dell USB Keyboard
Mouse
Dell Premium Optical USB
Internet Speed
DSL 2.85
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