How to do a routine backup onto a Flash Drive

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One backup I normally do on a 16GB flash drive now fails every time and it indicates that there is not enough space to do it. Microsoft indicate that as long as the flash drive is more than 1GB, it should work!
I have formatted the Flash drive. The procedure I use is - Control Panel - Backup & Restore - highlight the Flash drive - Allow windows to choose - "Backup Now". About an hour later it tells me it has failed!
I suspect that it is trying to "create a system image" backup - which I have not asked for (I do that when using by external hard drive backup)
Please advise me
 

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What are you trying to back up?

Windows itself?

Your entire C partition?

Pictures of your cat?
 

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Good Afternoon ignat...
My original post sort of answers your rather cheeky question - I let windows choose - so whatever it chooses that is what I am trying to backup. Obviously I am not expecting to backup a system image but since the only apparent options I am given is "System Image" or "Backup Now"; I choose the latter - which many times in the past has worked ok.
 

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I still remember, Windows Backup&Restore doesn't support backup to external hd, so does flash drive.
So you can with the help of third-party professional backup software which supports backup to external hd. My tool is aomei backupper and it support doing a routine backup onto a Flash Drive. please visit their website.
 

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If you let Windows choose, you really don't know what you are backing up. I really don't understand the purpose of that action.

As suggested, I would make a full image. Then at least you have a reliable backup file when disaster strikes - and it will strike. For that, however, a small stick like this may not suffice.
 

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Good Morning "papuman",
Thank you for trying to help with the information you provided. However, although your statement about Windows not allowing external backups to HDD was true with "XP"; there is normally no problem on "7", "8" & "8.1".
Good Morning "whs",
Thank you for your comments.
I agree that using "Let Windows choose" results in you not knowing what is being backed up. However there is a purpose in allowing that to happen, otherwise the clever people at Microsoft would not have programmed the option in.
One good reason is that many users of a computer are not knowledgeable enough (me included) to decide exactly which files and folders to backup.
My query concerned a backup on a Flash Drive but I cover all bases when I do a round of backups. First - create a restore point (on internal HDD). Then (normally) a backup onto a 16GB Flash Drive. Then a backup onto DVDs (used to take 2, now takes 7). Finally I create a system image on an external HDD drive (about 150GB)
 

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A DVD holds over 4.5 GB.
If your backup now takes 7 DVDs it is way more than 16 GB of data.

I don't use Windows Backup, but maybe someone knows if you can mount one of these backup files to see what is in it.
Maybe there is some temp data that you could delete, or other data that takes a lot of space that you really don't need backed up.
 

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Good morning David (very early up for you?)
Thanks for your comments. Yes - about 30GB. However; I have done windows backups onto my flash drive several times in the past; so, as you say, it seems data has massively increased of late or one of the microsoft updates has changed the backup system so that it now backs up more items than it used to
 

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Yea, it's early :sleepy:

Can you run a backup (not image) and save the backup file to your external HD?
If so, and it creates a VHD backup file it looks like you could mount it to see what's in it.

In Disk Management you can attach a VHD.
Here is where I read about this:
How to mount a VHD file in Windows 7
 

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Thanks again David.
I have to confess some ignorance over the subject of your latest suggestions. I have never heard of a VHD or of the term "Mount it" (other than in connection with a deviant man's sexual interest in some animals - or a boys interest in affixing postage stamps into an albern.) Anyway; to save googling these items I will hopefully follow your link to find what is included in a Windows backup.
 

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Many imaging programs, including Windows imaging, create VHDs (virtual hard disks). You can also create a VHD (image) with this command:

WBADMIN START BACKUP -backupTarget:S: -include:T:

This images the partition T on the drive S and that's how it looks. That is a VHD of a small 2GB test partition with little data.

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Then you can 'attach' (mount) this VHD. You go to Disk Management > Action tab and attach the VHD. Then you can open it in Computer like any other drive. It will detach itself on the next reboot or when you right click on it you can detach it.
 

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I agree that using "Let Windows choose" results in you not knowing what is being backed up. However there is a purpose in allowing that to happen, otherwise the clever people at Microsoft would not have programmed the option in.

One good reason is that many users of a computer are not knowledgeable enough (me included) to decide exactly which files and folders to backup.
Well, if you don't know what is being backed up, how can you then be expected to know how/what to recover in case of a disaster where you need to use the backup to restore from?? Should you do (1) a "selective restore of folders/files", or (2) an "image restore" of the entire backup, or (3) what?

Best you know exactly what you're doing in any type of backup ("image" or "data"), so that you make good and appropriate use of it for a disaster recovery. The purpose of backups is to protect you in case of a disaster, so that (1) you ultimately retain a working and bootable Windows system that has full integrity, and (2) you DON'T LOSE ANY PRICELESS DATA.

As to whether ANY type of backup (i.e. "image" or "data") can be done using drive as the target that has only 16GB of capacity, well that of course depends on exactly WHAT you're backing up (i.e. "image" of one or more partitions on your hard drive(s), or "data" meaning selected folders/files from one or more partitions on your hard drive(s)). If the software product you're using (from MS built into Windows, or from some 3rd-party software vendor) provides the ability to specify exactly what your backup is to consist of, then it's up to you to complete that "job" specification.

Furthermore, some backup software products (both "image" and "data") provide for a degree of data compression in the production of the output backup dataset. So while the input partition(s) or folders/files might be one size, if they can be compressed (e.g. ZIP) then the output backup dataset will likely be smaller than the input. So you might get away with doing a backup to a 16GB drive, even though the input is larger.

Alternatively, most people simply buy a large external USB drive (say 1TB or 2TB) and use it as the "backup drive", and not worry about capacity. Ideally using a USB 3.0 external drive is much faster than doing the same backup job on a USB 2.0 external drive, but most importantly you will not have to worry about exceeding the capacity of your target output for the backups. Also, using proper backup software you can retain multiple generations of backups on that large external USB drive, adding to your "feeling of security" and flexibility should it ever be necessary to recover something from these one or more backup datasets.


My recommendation to you: do NOT use Windows backup tools, neither (1) system image, nor (2) data backup.

Instead, download and install Macrium Reflect FREE (or, you can pay a modest amount for the non-free paid version which includes some nice additional functionality, and at the same time reward the excellent software vendor for an excellent software product). This product can do BOTH (1) "image" backups, and (2) "data" backups.

The FREE version does not do automatic "space management" (i.e. automatically "pruning" older generations older than what you specify as the maximum number of generations you wish to retain, when you run a new backup job to create a fresh new generation) so if you go with FREE you'll have to manually maintain your generational historical versions of the backup datasets. If you go non-paid, this will be done for you.

But either way, Macrium Reflect is a SUPERB and easy-to-use product for backup/restore, both for (1) "image" backups of one or more partition(s), and (2) "data" backups of selected folders/files on one or more partitions.

With "image" backups of the bootable "system reserved" and C partitions you can then RESTORE both of them in the event of a catastrophic disaster to Windows integrity that prevents it from booting, or for which you just want to return to an earlier working environment. So you might take these "image" backups weekly (and Macrium Reflect can be set up to run these jobs automatically for you on a regular scheduled basis), and retain say 5 generations just to make you feel good.

Then, you can also take "data" backups for the folders/files where you have "DATA" (e.g. the complete \Users folder on C, and possibly other folders on C or other drives where you have personal "DATA" stored). These "data" backups can be run monthly for a FULL "data" backup, and daily for an INCREMENTAL "data" backup. FULL backups are for EVERYTHING in the set of folders/files you check to get backed up. In contrast, INCREMENTAL backups are for only those folders/files which have been created/changed since the last time you ran a FULL or INCREMENTAL backup.

In other words, if you run monthly FULL and daily INCREMENTAL "data" backups, then everything you work on every day will be guaranteed backed up every night. You will never lose anything, as long as it existed by the time your nightly FULL/INCREMENTAL backup job got run. And once on that "data" backup dataset system you will always be able to recover it in case of accidental loss or deletion or corruption.

By retaining multiple complete sets (i.e. monthly FULL+INCREMENTAL sets) going back say 4-5 months, that means you will have full selective folder/file recovery for ANYTHING you ever had on your system on ANY DAY over the past 4-5 months, as long as the folder/file existed on some night during the 4-5 months when the nightly FULL/INCREMENTAL backup job got run.


In my own situation, I use [non-free] Macrium Reflect STANDARD for my automatically scheduled weekly "image" backups. Automatic "pruning" to keep no more than 5 generations of image datasets.

And I use another [non-free] software product named NovaBACKUP Professional for my automatically scheduled monthly/daily FULL/INCREMENTAL "data" backups. Again, automatic pruning to keep no more than 4 complete monthly sets of FULL+INCREMENTAL backup datasets.

Backup is to a 2TB external USB 3.0 drive for both "image" and "data" backup datasets.

NOTE: when you take an "image" backup of C, obviously you're also backing up the same folders/files that you might also be backing up in a "data" backup including contents of C. Not a problem, and not an issue. The two different backup formats simply provide two alternative restore/recovery options, depending on the nature of your "disaster" and exactly which of your multiple recovery options is simplest, easiest, and gets you back to where you want to be. "Image" backups are easy to recover from but don't provide the selective folder/file recovery capability as would be provided through a proper "data" backup.
 

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Good Evening "whs"
Thank you for explaining the terminology.

Good evening "dsperber", Or should that be Mr Macrium!
Thank you for your interesting essay!
 

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Good Morning "papuman",
Thank you for trying to help with the information you provided. However, although your statement about Windows not allowing external backups to HDD was true with "XP"; there is normally no problem on "7", "8" & "8.1".
Good Morning "whs",
Thank you for your comments.
I agree that using "Let Windows choose" results in you not knowing what is being backed up. However there is a purpose in allowing that to happen, otherwise the clever people at Microsoft would not have programmed the option in.
One good reason is that many users of a computer are not knowledgeable enough (me included) to decide exactly which files and folders to backup.
My query concerned a backup on a Flash Drive but I cover all bases when I do a round of backups. First - create a restore point (on internal HDD). Then (normally) a backup onto a 16GB Flash Drive. Then a backup onto DVDs (used to take 2, now takes 7). Finally I create a system image on an external HDD drive (about 150GB)

Oh, I see
 

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