Solved How to go to IE10 from IE11 if it was never installed

[Slartybart]

For the record ... that cat is not on my Win8 with IE 11 system either.

I'm still of the opinion that we skipped a step in the controlled rollback, update IE cycle by not installing IE9 and by installing the optional platform update. The action plan I put in place was roll back to IE8, update to IE 9 using the offline installer, Update to IE 10 using the offline installer. Skipping the platform update update completely.

I understand the platform update is a pre-req of IE 10, but I believe MS rolled it into the IE 10 install.

Noel is driving the bus and he might have something up his sleeve or in his bag of tricks.

Don't change gears at this point - follow only one path to exhaustion.

I'll wait until Noel either figures out a way to patch the side-by-side object or gives up.

Bill
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[wherestheanykey]

Are we sure we still have a bus driver?

Slartybart, are you thinking that the reason why I can't install IE9 or IE10, but can install IE11. Is because I have an update installed that would only come, once my system had IE11? And therefore, even though I don't have IE11 anymore, Windows Update thinks I do? And therefore won't allow any other install?

 

[Slartybart]

I based everything I posted on my experiences with IE10 and IE 11 when the first came out. IE10 had some issues on my machine so I upgraded to IE11. Other issues in IE11 made me roll back to IE8, the base at the time, then upgrade to IE9 and wait for IE10/IE11 to settle down. Other members did not have the same issues as I experienced on my machine ... soooo it's a crap shoot.

When I felt enough time had passed (a few moths) I decided to try IE10 again. I've done this so many times, I forget if I installed the optional pre-req platform update first or experimented letting IE 10 figure out what it needed. What I do recall is that IE 10 went and got what was needed (or it was packaged in the IE10 install). After a month with IE10, I ventured up to IE11 and have been there without major issue ever since.

There was some discussion in a thread about whether the member needed to incrementally go from IE8 to IE9, IE10, IE11, and there was no definitive answer - although it was suggested to do the incremental steps.

All that being said ... yes I think the optional platform update is getting in the way.

Since Noel has not yet provided a patch, you can wait for him to get a breather (you might PM him to refresh his memory)
-- OR --
Start back from here:
http://www.sevenforums.com/windows-...ie10-ie11-if-never-installed.html#post2901633

If Noel spent time researching the issue and is building or has built a patch, it would be best to wait for him. See if he can spare some cycles before taking the 2nd option (restarting from post #9).

Bill
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[NoelDP]

I'm still around - it's been a crazy few weeks at work

The mum and cat files we were talking about and hunting for were actually from IE9, not 10/11!

Which version of IE is currently installed? IE8?

If so, then try installing IE9 from the full install download...
Download Internet Explorer 9 (Offline installer) - Microsoft Windows

when complete, (or if a higher version is installed) post the following files...
C:\Windows\...
IE9_Main.log
IE10_Main.log
IE11_Main.log

 

[wherestheanykey]

Yes I am currently on IE8. The link you provided doesn't allow for downloading IE9 anymore, just IE11. But I did have an IE9 download that I found earlier (hope that doesn't make any difference) and ran that. It failed again and the log file is attached.

Thanks,

View attachment 338471

 

[Slartybart]

If you need a fresh download: IE9 x64 - offline installer

Credit goes to Mayank Parmar post #42

It's weird - if you drill down for IE downloads, neither IE9 or IE10 are offered in an obvious manner.

Bill
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[wherestheanykey]

Noel, shall I continue to wait for another possible fix from you, or shall Bill and I start down the road of uninstalling specific updates, hoping to get the system to offer IE9 as an update?

Thanks,

 

[NoelDP]

Sorry - I'm very time-constrained at present

Possibly the way to go is to uninstall all updated IE variants manually using the packages and DISM - which will also take care of the IE updates - and then see what SFC and CheckSUR have to say and plan accordingly.

However, I am uncertain how long that would take - and you've already spent too long waiting for a fix, for my liking.
You may be best off to think about a repair install, which usually sorts this type of thing out pretty well - but can get confused if you've taken user folders of their default positions. (I can't remember if I asked about that or not - and don't have time at the moment to refresh myself on 60-odd posts )

 

[wherestheanykey]

I'm not sure I would be able to perform a repair installation of the OS (if that's what you mean). This is Boot Camp installation of Windows, and I don't have any physical discs available to run an installation.

When you say "Possibly the way to go is to uninstall all updated IE variants manually using the packages and DISM - which will also take care of the IE updates". Do you mean uninstalling any IE showing up in "Add Remove Programs"? Becuase there aren't any. Also if you mean any version of IE showing up in the "Installed Updates", there aren't any there either. I'm on IE8 right now, and I think it was just installed as part of the OS itself. So I think all I can do is uninstall individual KB packages. Does that sound right?

 

[NoelDP]

No - it's possible to force-uninstall IE of any version other than the original (IE8) using DISM - doing do also uninstalls (at least in theory) any IE-related updates for that version.
It's a fairly simple command-line instruction - and usually gets things right.

As far as being BootCamp is concerned, I really have no knowledge of that (the last time I touched an Apple machine was back in 2006(?) - when I installed a Windows XP VM in my brother's laptop). and would have to ask around.

I'll try and get back to you tomorrow.

 

[wherestheanykey]

Ok thanks, I look forward to hearing more about this process.

 

[NoelDP]

Try this - it should remove any dregs of later IE that remains lying around...

Open an Elevated Command Prompt and run the following commands:

FORFILES /P %WINDIR%\servicing\Packages /M Microsoft-Windows-InternetExplorer-*11.*.mum /c "cmd /c echo Uninstalling package @fname && start /w pkgmgr /up:@fname /quiet /norestart
FORFILES /P %WINDIR%\servicing\Packages /M Microsoft-Windows-InternetExplorer-*10.*.mum /c "cmd /c echo Uninstalling package @fname && start /w pkgmgr /up:@fname /quiet /norestart
FORFILES /P %WINDIR%\servicing\Packages /M Microsoft-Windows-InternetExplorer-*9.*.mum /c "cmd /c echo Uninstalling package @fname && start /w pkgmgr /up:@fname /quiet /norestart
 
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With any luck that will take you right back to IE8 - we can then start the update process again after checking the status of the system with SFC and CheckSUR again (Please turn Windows Update off until told otherwise).

 

[wherestheanykey]

Ok I ran the commands and captured the results just because.

View attachment 339648

Then I ran the SFC, and it resulted in no issues.

View attachment 339649

The I rebooted and ran the SURT, but the zipped CBS folder is 27mb and won't upload.

 

[wherestheanykey]

Here is just the CBS log file.

View attachment 339653

And here are the two CheckSUR log files.

View attachment 339655

 

[NoelDP]

OK - so it looks like the system is back where we wanted - there are no significant errors in the CBS.log, and CheckSUR is clear.
The output from the commands is pretty much as expected.
Hopefully, you now have a fully-functional IE installation?

If so, then please run a Check For Updates - but ONLY install updates for IE8 - do not attempt to update to IE9/10/11 yet.

 

[Slartybart]

Great stuff Noel, thanks for everything you're doing to help wherestheanykey solve this issue.
The foreach command sure made rolling back to IE8 a simple task.

I'd add to your sterling reputation if I could, but alas the forum tells me I must spread some Rep around first

The acid test will be incremental updates to IE with full Windows Updates applied to that version before trying to install the next IE version.

I suggest check points before moving up.

Create a restore point now to be the base.

IE8 ... Windows Update (WU) until no more IE8 updates offered.
SFC & SURT
Create a restore point
Restart machine.

Then wait for a member to view the SFC and SURT output before installing IE9
I think you said before that IE9 wasn't offered in WU, so you'd have to use the offline install pkg - but Noel might still have a trick or two left in his bag.

The process would be the same for IE9 once it is installed.
IE9 ... Windows Update (WU) until no more IE9 updates offered.
SFC & SURT
Create a restore point
Restart machine.

The objective is to get IE10 installed and not update to IE11 - right?

I posted to let you know that I still have eyes on your thread.
This post is my thinking out loud on the exercise, you don't need to do anything in this post ... yet!

Noel's still driving the bus - please continue following his advice.

Bill
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[NoelDP]

(You're doing such a shabby job of driving, yourself, old chum! )

 

[Slartybart]

(You're doing such a shabby job of driving, yourself, old chum! )

You forgot NOT
:roflmao:

Sometimes threads are like a flock of geese - everyone gets to lead for a while. Ever notice that the flock suddenly turns east? A new wing commander took the lead ... but the flock wants to fly south for the winter ... no worry, the next wing commander gets them back on track.

It's difficult for the member on the other side of the monitor when different suggestions are offered. It's difficult for members on this side of the monitor if a solid path is diverted.

Carry on brother Noel - you have my full support. If your wings are tired and you want to fall back for a rest - Wheres and I can follow the plan in place.

IE8 fully updated, checkpoint, then IE9 fully updated, checkpoint then IE10 fully updated, checkpoint
... but no IE 11

There is one thing about the IE10 pre-reqs - I was going to suggest that Wheres skip them (or uninstall them if they slip through - the platform update in particular) and use the offline IE10 install package. I mentioned before that I think IE 10 carries the pre-reqs or the install pkg goes and gets them. I could be wrong, but that's what I recall.

Any thoughts on that?

Bill
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[NoelDP]

(You're doing such a shabby job of driving, yourself, old chum! )

You forgot NOT
:roflmao:

IE8 fully updated, checkpoint, then IE9 fully updated, checkpoint then IE10 fully updated, checkpoint
... but no IE 11

There is one thing about the IE10 pre-reqs - I was going to suggest that Wheres skip them (or uninstall them if they slip through - the platform update in particular) and use the offline IE10 install package. I mentioned before that I think IE 10 carries the pre-reqs or the install pkg goes and gets them. I could be wrong, but that's what I recall.

Any thoughts on that?

Bill
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Sounds like a plan to me
The IE10 installer automatically downloads any pre-reqs that already installed (at least in theory - I have seen a number of logs that show problems there - mostly caused by security software, I think)

 

[Slartybart]

The ball is in Wheres court.

Make sure you're running IE8 and then follow the plan

- turn OFF automatic Windows Update (WU)

Control Panel -> WU -> Change settings; tick Let me decide​

- get one IE version up-to-date: WU manual check for updates

don't let WU force a higher level IE on you (any higher numbered IE offered: untick OR hide the update for now.)​

- Check your system files and post the output logs.

-- STOP HERE-- If SFC or SURT report any integrity errors​

- Create a restore point

- Restart your machine

A member will look at the logs to see what can be seen

The rest is in other posts, I'll collect the IE9 and IE10 information and post it in my next post.

@Wheres: Please update the thread with your current status - you might already be done

Bill
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