I think I have confirmed we ALL have W7, wi-fi issues

[pampum]

....Just a lot of people may not notice it much or be that bothered by it. Personnaly I cant stand it.

In short, wi-fi latency has gone from consistently under 1ms on XP, and vista AFAIK, to anywhere between 2-50ms. To your own router!

I have done many tests and pretty much isolated its the OS. I have tried it at friends places as well, and their windows 7 x64 does the same, ping's are around 3-8. They dont have that initial spike, but otherwise the same as me.

Give it a go, if you are running 7 preferably 64 bit 7, find your wireless routers IP address, open cmd from the start orb, and in there type

ping "your routers IP adress" -n 100

so bassialy if yor ip is 192.1.1.10 you type

ping 192.1.1.10 -n 100

And watch the pings roll by.

Heres the aboslute best results I have gotten. Pings are worse now, about 3,4 4, 6, 4, 3 etc.

Anything over 1ms consistently is just a joke.

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 12ms

check out my thread as well

Extremely poor Wi-fi performance in 7. Max signal. W7 constantly scanning wi-fi? Is it W7?

Lets try get a fix going. This is ridiculous. Is this the future of computing, laggier networking performance?

 

[Desslok]

I also noticed this right away when I first upgraded. I am guessing it has to do something with IPV6, auto speed/duplex configurations, MTU size, window receive auto tuning or possibly it's WPA implementation. I remember back in the day I had an iMAC G4 that had really slow wifi performance. I shut off WEP at the time and the speed skyrocketed and latency went way down, I found htat the fix was WPA2, but my router didn't support it so I left security off until I upgraded everything includign the iMac.

 

[Desslok]

If you do a ping -t, do you see a pattern of latency spikes? or is it totally random?

 

[Duke of Alinor]

Same here and I spent a day trying to fix it. Then I took some bad advice and trashed Win7 with a suggested regedit.
I gave up and reinstalled Win 7. Half a day to re-install and run wiring under the house. I should have done that in the first place.
Win7 gives us many ways that should work to set up networking. But I wind up with the Win7 machine alone in its network neighborhood. The XP machines are able to access all the shares on Win7 and other XP machines. Eventually I will figure it out.

Win7 wireless ping was 7-10, wired >1.

 

[pampum]

Desslok, its certainly not Encryption. I just made my router open with no encryption and it had the same result. Scratch encryption off the list.
The other things you mentioned, I have tried changing too. Does not do a thing. Tried every driver and every possible device setting. Nothing works

Take a look at my notebookforums link for some of my speculation.

Pinging mutilple times results in ping 3-9, average about 4-5. Expect my first ping is always around 50, but others dont seem to have this issue. I dont know why.

Duke of allinor, yes I know the wired windows 7 performance is fine. However I cannot wire up all my devices over Ethernet, though I wish I could.

What is wrong with Microsoft why dont they see this is issue?

Can anyone confirm Vista is not like this so I can go back? Cannot stand games any more.

I would still prefer some kind of fix. Maybe someone could rip the entire wireless programming from vista and overwrite the 7 one within 7? Something like this should be possible.

Homegroups, I cant even get them to work. Windows 7 is nightmare and it was meant to be easier.

 

[codyr2391]

Desslok, its certainly not Encryption. I just made my router open with no encryption and it had the same result. Scratch encryption off the list.
The other things you mentioned, I have tried changing too. Does not do a thing. Tried every driver and every possible device setting. Nothing works

Take a look at my notebookforums link for some of my speculation.

Pinging mutilple times results in ping 3-9, average about 4-5. Expect my first ping is always around 50, but others dont seem to have this issue. I dont know why.

Duke of allinor, yes I know the wired windows 7 performance is fine. However I cannot wire up all my devices over Ethernet, though I wish I could.

What is wrong with Microsoft why dont they see this is issue?

Can anyone confirm Vista is not like this so I can go back? Cannot stand games any more.

I would still prefer some kind of fix. Maybe someone could rip the entire wireless programming from vista and overwrite the 7 one within 7? Something like this should be possible.

Homegroups, I cant even get them to work. Windows 7 is nightmare and it was meant to be easier.

Are you sure it works fine wired? For me even a wired connection yields crippling slow download speeds(20kb/s)

 

[pampum]

codyr2391, I am sure my friend. Windows 7 over ethernet adapters works perfectly fine.

There isnt a chance in hell a proplery connected gigabit , 100mbit, or even 10mbit ethernet link is limiting your internet speed to 20KB/sec, regardles of how poorly its coded.
Plus I have not noticed any decrease in throughput in windows 7, it is just the latency.

Your issue is unrealted to this, which is good news for you since you can fix it more easily.

WHen you say download speeds, do you mean when transferring files over your ethernet network? OR do you mean downloading files from the internet?

Keep in mind tthe issue we are having is unrelated to any internet service.

Transfer a file over from one wired pc to another to see the speed you get over your network

 

[codyr2391]

codyr2391, I am sure my friend. Windows 7 over ethernet adapters works perfectly fine.

There isnt a chance in hell a proplery connected gigabit , 100mbit, or even 10mbit ethernet link is limiting your internet speed to 20KB/sec, regardles of how poorly its coded.
Plus I have not noticed any decrease in throughput in windows 7, it is just the latency.

Your issue is unrealted to this, which is good news for you since you can fix it more easily.

WHen you say download speeds, do you mean when transferring files over your ethernet network? OR do you mean downloading files from the internet?

Keep in mind tthe issue we are having is unrelated to any internet service.

Transfer a file over from one wired pc to another to see the speed you get over your network

Alright, I will check once more wired and make sure the other problem laptop is powered off so it doesn't interfere with the network.

***EDIT I tried a wired connection and the speed went up to .48mb/s the first test but the second test went back down to .20mb/s so even my wired connections are faulty. I used speedtest.net to determine my download and upload speeds btw.

 

[Audioman1]

Mine were all 1ms except for 6 out of a 100 pings

 

[wlbandy]

Mine were all less than 1 ms for 100 pings.

Windows 7 Professional 64bit

 

[baarod]

....Just a lot of people may not notice it much or be that bothered by it. Personnaly I cant stand it.

In short, wi-fi latency has gone from consistently under 1ms on XP, and vista AFAIK, to anywhere between 2-50ms. To your own router!

I have done many tests and pretty much isolated its the OS. I have tried it at friends places as well, and their windows 7 x64 does the same, ping's are around 3-8. They dont have that initial spike, but otherwise the same as me.

Give it a go, if you are running 7 preferably 64 bit 7, find your wireless routers IP address, open cmd from the start orb, and in there type

ping "your routers IP adress" -n 100

so bassialy if yor ip is 192.1.1.10 you type

ping 192.1.1.10 -n 100

And watch the pings roll by.

Heres the aboslute best results I have gotten. Pings are worse now, about 3,4 4, 6, 4, 3 etc.

Anything over 1ms consistently is just a joke.

Pinging 192.168.1.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=44ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.1.1: bytes=32 time=2ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.1.1:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 2ms, Maximum = 44ms, Average = 12ms

check out my thread as well

Extremely poor Wi-fi performance in 7. Max signal. W7 constantly scanning wi-fi? Is it W7?

Lets try get a fix going. This is ridiculous. Is this the future of computing, laggier networking performance?

C:\Windows\system32>ping 192.168.0.1 -n 100

Pinging 192.168.0.1 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=64
Reply from 192.168.0.1: bytes=32 time=3ms TTL=64

Ping statistics for 192.168.0.1:
Packets: Sent = 18, Received = 18, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 3ms, Average = 0ms
Control-C
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No issues here. Recipe:
$25 draft-n router
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$17 g wifi pci card
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54Mbps link, full bars signal from the other side of the house through several walls. See my system info below for more info.

 

[Kari]

I think I have confirmed we ALL have W7, wi-fi issues
....Just a lot of people may not notice it much or be that bothered by it. Personnaly I cant stand it.

Simply not true. If I have a problem, I would not even think to state 'Because I have a problem, it's confirmed we all have a problem!'.

Kari

 

[pampum]

Well this is good news then it mens there is a possible solution. I assumed everyone has it like this becasue I trried it on 3 sepearte setups, not within my home and 7 always all had these bad results!
Simply trying xp on the same setup worked fine, it seemend imposible for the culprit not to be 7. I think my assumption was reasnable because of so many repeat tests. Plus I said "I THINK"

I have no idea what you guys ahave different and i have tried everything with no luck ?

So this is definitely pining the wireless router?


All mine were tested on G. the signal has nothing to do with it btw.

So what settings,for your windows and wirelss drivers are you guys using?

I think the problem is windows is scanning wi-fi networks on the fly, it doesnt connect and lock on like XP does.

 

[baarod]

Well this is good news then it mens there is a possible solution. I assumed everyone has it like this becasue I trried it on 3 sepearte setups, not within my home and 7 always all had these bad results!
Simply trying xp on the same setup worked fine, it seemend imposible for the culprit not to be 7. I think my assumption was reasnable because of so many repeat tests. Plus I said "I THINK"

I have no idea what you guys ahave different and i have tried everything with no luck ?

So this is definitely pining the wireless router?


All mine were tested on G. the signal has nothing to do with it btw.

So what settings,for your windows and wirelss drivers are you guys using?

I think the problem is windows is scanning wi-fi networks on the fly, it doesnt connect and lock on like XP does.

Some drivers default to aggressive channel scans. Lock your router and nic to the same address, usually 11.

 

[antharr]

Everything is good here.

 

[pampum]

baarod, i have set everything to full 54g, locked onto it. Nothing is set to auto or scan. Speed is full 54g max signal.

My wirelss laptop card is 4965AGN. Roaming agrresiveness etc have treid from low to high makes no diff.

Actually to all those not having problems, are you guys trying it on laptops?

I even installed

Home-WLAN Optimizer - Optimize wireless gaming, audio and video streaming...

with no help.

 

[baarod]

baarod, i have set everything to full 54g, locked onto it. Nothing is set to auto or scan. Speed is full 54g max signal.

My wirelss laptop card is 4965AGN. Roaming agrresiveness etc have treid from low to high makes no diff.

Actually to all those not having problems, are you guys trying it on laptops?

I even installed

Home-WLAN Optimizer - Optimize wireless gaming, audio and video streaming...

with no help.

Just tried on my EeePC 1000HE. Clean pings.

 

[antharr]

It is just hard to see you having the same issue on 3 different machines on various networks as well. Do these machines all share something in common like a certain application (like a wireless utility) installed. Have you tried testing in safe mode?

 

[pampum]

No safe mode. I have tried on two different routers within my home, with 2 different installations of win 7 on different machines. I Then try do it running xp and its 1ms always.

I then went to my freinds house who also has win 7 on his HP laptop ( high specced new lappy) and he was getting 3, 4 ,5, 4, 3, 8, etc as well. He has nothing of mine, I dont touch his comps one bit. I dont know what else to tell you.

What do you mean its just hard to see... You think I am joking around?

This is a massive problem for me, it means I may have to go back to vista and I dont want to. It might even mean I have to skip 7 altogether, and who knows if the next version will be any better.
There's a lot doing down the drain if I cant fix this. but threes no way I will put up with above 1ms ping's.

 

[Duke of Alinor]

Pampum, don't give up, Win7 networking is a known problem. I think they will fix most, if not all the mechanical problems (high latency compared to XP on some systems). Probably not the interface problems (confusing and with many screens), but there will eventually be a way to make this work.