Imaging with free Macrium

   Information

This tutorial shows imaging with free Macrium Version 5.0. If you are still using Macrium Version 4.2, go to this Vimeo site where the tutorial of that version is stored.

The Video does not show the recovery part because I have no setup to screen capture it. But Keith (Kado) made this excellent recovery tutorial with text (but no sound) that he captured from a virtual partition.


   Warning


Note that the external disk to which you image must be formatted in NTFS. A disk that is formatted in Fat32 will accept an image, but the recovery programs cannot restore that image. You can, however, mount (open) a Fat32 image as VHD.


   Note
The production of the WinPE recovery CD (which is highly recommended) may take up to 3 hours because Macrium needs to download the 1.7GB WAIK (Windows Application Installation Kit). For your convenience I have uploaded a ready made .iso of the WinPE recovery disc. That can be downloaded in appr. 8 minutes which clearly beats the WAIK download. Once you downloaded and unzipped the folder, you can burn it directly to a CD with e.g. ImgBurn.

Here is the link to my Skydrive site.

Here is an alternate link from FileSwap (courtesy of Gary - Britton30)

I draw your attention to the fact that this WinPE CD can also be used to make images. That may be convenient in case you do not want to install Macrium on your PC.




This video tutorial explains the full cycle of the imaging process which is:

· Initial setups
· Image definition
· Image scheduling
· Image production

The imaging program that was used for this tutorial is free Macrium. But the basic principles are the same for other imaging programs although the user interface will be different.

This video runs for appr. 7 minutes.
There is a related thread on the Vista forum which gives a brief introduction to Macrium followed by a discussion.
You can download the free Macrium edition from here.

Note: If you have a problem with the loudness of the sound output of the video, check the "Loudness Equalization" box in your Playback device. It is under the 'Enhancements' tab.











 
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Jack, and Jennie; Understood. Whichever way I'd go the only time I'd have the drive(s) connected to my daily machine(s) would be to either back-up or restore, I figure all I'd have to do is disconnect the cat5 cable either manually or with a switch.
I've only looked at Western Digital because I've had good luck with them over the years, 15_10_2.gif, but are all brands / types of externals like the passport encrypted?

John; It wouldn't hurt to try then if I ran into problems with the spare case I'd still have the HDD(s) and only have to buy the external dock(s).

Golden, and Mike; Thank you for the vote of confidence. Many options, I like the idea of the EZSwap. I have several local computer shops, not the big box variety that I'll be checking to see what's available, sure, prices may be lower online but I like supporting the local guys.

Decisions, decisions....Thanks for all the ideas, keep 'em coming.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
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Gateway DX4831-01e (Mid-Tower Desktop)
OS
Originally Win 7 Hm Prem x64 Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601-SP1 | Upgraded to Windows 10 December 14, 2019
CPU
Intel i3 530 2.93GHz, 2933MHz 2 Cores 4 Logical Processors
Motherboard
Gateway H57M01 133 megahertz
Memory
6GB of 1,333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
Graphics Card(s)
32MB Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD IGChip
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Gateway HX2000 20inch TFT active matrix TN
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900 x 59 hertz
Hard Drives
WDC WD10EADS-00M2B0 [HDD] (1000.20 GB) -- drive 0,
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH41N [CD-ROM dr]
Four card readers, and Four USB 2.0
PSU
300watts.
Case
Mid-Tower Desktop
Cooling
Stock from Gateway
Keyboard
Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, see Other Info
Mouse
Orig. Gateway wore out now using Insignia USB wired optical
Internet Speed
Vz FIOS 10ms png 57.64Mbps down 65.53Mbps up Speedtest.org
Antivirus
Zamana Anti-logger with Anti-malware, MSE, Windows Firewall,
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IE11.0.9600.19399-Upd ver11.0.135, Firefox 68.0.1 x64
Other Info
System Specs by Belarc.

BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. P01-A0 11/17/2009

Replaced the MS 'Natural' Standard PS/2 Enhanced 101-102 Keyboard with a new Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 on August 1st 2014.

Canon Pixma MG3222 Printer.

Updated to IE11 on 12102015 | Fios Quantum Router g1100

Additional AV: SpywareBlaster, manual Mbam, SAS
Jack, and Jennie; Understood. Whichever way I'd go the only time I'd have the drive(s) connected to my daily machine(s) would be to either back-up or restore, I figure all I'd have to do is disconnect the cat5 cable either manually or with a switch.
I've only looked at Western Digital because I've had good luck with them over the years, View attachment 398752, but are all brands / types of externals like the passport encrypted?

John; It wouldn't hurt to try then if I ran into problems with the spare case I'd still have the HDD(s) and only have to buy the external dock(s).

Golden, and Mike; Thank you for the vote of confidence. Many options, I like the idea of the EZSwap. I have several local computer shops, not the big box variety that I'll be checking to see what's available, sure, prices may be lower online but I like supporting the local guys.

Decisions, decisions....Thanks for all the ideas, keep 'em coming.

Since I have several backup drives, I find it less expensive and more convenient to use internal type bare drives as external drives. Internal type drives are usually better quality than external drives, and take up less room in storage because you don't have the housing and external PSU of external drives. In my case, I use an internal hot swap bay to plug my SSDs into but an external dock can also be used.

Since you like WD drives (I agree that most of them are good quality), instead of going with the Passport, you could go with the 5400rpm WD Blues (formerly, the WD Greens). I've had excellent luck with the Greens I had (I retired them only because I went nuts and switched to all SSDs). If you prefer an actual enclosed external drive to a bare drive, you can always buy enclosures to put the bare drives into.

No matter what kind of backup drive you decide on, make sure you have at least two for each drive—one kept onsite and one kept offsite—and swap them out frequently to ensure the offsite drive is as up to date as possible.

While backup images can be stored on a internal drive, the same kinds of mishaps that can take out an internal drive—flood, fire, theft, voltage spikes and current surges from the power line or a blown PSU, etc.—will also take out your images so images must be backed up on drives that are stored externally. I admit that, when I make my images, I send them to a folder on an internal drive for convenience and speed but I then backup that drive to an externally located backup drive. You may prefer to save your images directly to an external backup drive (it does require less drive space overall to do that).
 

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Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
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IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
You have some sage advice there Jeannie, looking around I see the WD blues / greens are comparable in price if not less expensive. I will definitely keep it in mind as I'm setting up my system.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
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Gateway DX4831-01e (Mid-Tower Desktop)
OS
Originally Win 7 Hm Prem x64 Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601-SP1 | Upgraded to Windows 10 December 14, 2019
CPU
Intel i3 530 2.93GHz, 2933MHz 2 Cores 4 Logical Processors
Motherboard
Gateway H57M01 133 megahertz
Memory
6GB of 1,333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
Graphics Card(s)
32MB Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD IGChip
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Gateway HX2000 20inch TFT active matrix TN
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900 x 59 hertz
Hard Drives
WDC WD10EADS-00M2B0 [HDD] (1000.20 GB) -- drive 0,
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH41N [CD-ROM dr]
Four card readers, and Four USB 2.0
PSU
300watts.
Case
Mid-Tower Desktop
Cooling
Stock from Gateway
Keyboard
Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, see Other Info
Mouse
Orig. Gateway wore out now using Insignia USB wired optical
Internet Speed
Vz FIOS 10ms png 57.64Mbps down 65.53Mbps up Speedtest.org
Antivirus
Zamana Anti-logger with Anti-malware, MSE, Windows Firewall,
Browser
IE11.0.9600.19399-Upd ver11.0.135, Firefox 68.0.1 x64
Other Info
System Specs by Belarc.

BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. P01-A0 11/17/2009

Replaced the MS 'Natural' Standard PS/2 Enhanced 101-102 Keyboard with a new Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 on August 1st 2014.

Canon Pixma MG3222 Printer.

Updated to IE11 on 12102015 | Fios Quantum Router g1100

Additional AV: SpywareBlaster, manual Mbam, SAS

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom assembled by me :}
OS
Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
CPU
i7-5930K 2nd i9-9940x both water blocked VRM's too
Motherboard
ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
Memory
Trident-z 3200C14 2nd Trident-z 3600C16
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 1080ti ftw3 2nd Titan Xp both water blocked
Sound Card
Built-in Realtek
Monitor(s) Displays
1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080 144Hz
Hard Drives
2-Samsung M.2 Evo & Evo Plus
2-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD's/ 3-2.5 W.D. Black 1tb-&3-1tb/3-3.5 WD Black 1tb hdd's
PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-P2 2nd 1200-P2
Case
2-Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Black ATX Mid Tower
Cooling
Custom water loops
Keyboard
Logitech G710+/ 2nd Logitech G910
Mouse
2-RedDragon M901 Perdition 16400 dpi Gaming mouse = wired
Internet Speed
Comcast Ping 19ms 89.31mbps download speed 6.12mbps upload
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Malwarebytes Pro/ Superantispyware Pro
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FireFox & Pale moon
Other Info
2nd ASUS X299 Apex/Intel i9-9940x with Custom water loop/7H-Prem-x64/Corsair 450D case/Ram Trident-z 3600C16 4x8gb / Samsung970Evo plus 500gb SSD/Dual ssd EZ swap evo/PSU EVGA SuperNova 1200w-P2 80+Platinum/GPU Titan Xp /8-ML-140 on push-pull on 2-280GTX rads
If I can I'd want the 72's which would be okay with my 10Laptops, they both have USB3 connections but my 7desktop was built with USB2.... :(

IIRCC, it was purchased in 2010.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
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Gateway DX4831-01e (Mid-Tower Desktop)
OS
Originally Win 7 Hm Prem x64 Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601-SP1 | Upgraded to Windows 10 December 14, 2019
CPU
Intel i3 530 2.93GHz, 2933MHz 2 Cores 4 Logical Processors
Motherboard
Gateway H57M01 133 megahertz
Memory
6GB of 1,333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
Graphics Card(s)
32MB Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD IGChip
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Gateway HX2000 20inch TFT active matrix TN
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900 x 59 hertz
Hard Drives
WDC WD10EADS-00M2B0 [HDD] (1000.20 GB) -- drive 0,
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH41N [CD-ROM dr]
Four card readers, and Four USB 2.0
PSU
300watts.
Case
Mid-Tower Desktop
Cooling
Stock from Gateway
Keyboard
Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, see Other Info
Mouse
Orig. Gateway wore out now using Insignia USB wired optical
Internet Speed
Vz FIOS 10ms png 57.64Mbps down 65.53Mbps up Speedtest.org
Antivirus
Zamana Anti-logger with Anti-malware, MSE, Windows Firewall,
Browser
IE11.0.9600.19399-Upd ver11.0.135, Firefox 68.0.1 x64
Other Info
System Specs by Belarc.

BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. P01-A0 11/17/2009

Replaced the MS 'Natural' Standard PS/2 Enhanced 101-102 Keyboard with a new Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 on August 1st 2014.

Canon Pixma MG3222 Printer.

Updated to IE11 on 12102015 | Fios Quantum Router g1100

Additional AV: SpywareBlaster, manual Mbam, SAS
I think the wd blue 7200rpm only come in 1tb. I have one and it works well.

The larger ones are 5400rpm.
 

My Computers

System One System Two

  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7 X64
    CPU
    i5 8400
    Motherboard
    gigabyte b365m ds3h
    Memory
    2x8gb 3200mhz
    Hard Drives
    various
    PSU
    pure power 11 400w cm
    Case
    Coolermaster
    Cooling
    cryorig m9i
  • Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    OS
    7x64
    CPU
    g5400
    Motherboard
    ga b365m ds3h
    Memory
    8gb ddr4 2400
    PSU
    xfx pro 450w
Hi,
Yep only 1tb's but that has always been a nice size for me anyway :)

On a laptop I'd use nothing but ssd's for the os and programs for backups/ images an hdd of course ;)

I do try to stay with the black series though.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom assembled by me :}
OS
Win-7-Pro64bit 7-H-Prem-64bit
CPU
i7-5930K 2nd i9-9940x both water blocked VRM's too
Motherboard
ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
Memory
Trident-z 3200C14 2nd Trident-z 3600C16
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 1080ti ftw3 2nd Titan Xp both water blocked
Sound Card
Built-in Realtek
Monitor(s) Displays
1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24" 144Hz
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080 144Hz
Hard Drives
2-Samsung M.2 Evo & Evo Plus
2-Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD's/ 3-2.5 W.D. Black 1tb-&3-1tb/3-3.5 WD Black 1tb hdd's
PSU
EVGA SuperNOVA 1000-P2 2nd 1200-P2
Case
2-Corsair Obsidian Series 450D Black ATX Mid Tower
Cooling
Custom water loops
Keyboard
Logitech G710+/ 2nd Logitech G910
Mouse
2-RedDragon M901 Perdition 16400 dpi Gaming mouse = wired
Internet Speed
Comcast Ping 19ms 89.31mbps download speed 6.12mbps upload
Antivirus
Malwarebytes Pro/ Superantispyware Pro
Browser
FireFox & Pale moon
Other Info
2nd ASUS X299 Apex/Intel i9-9940x with Custom water loop/7H-Prem-x64/Corsair 450D case/Ram Trident-z 3600C16 4x8gb / Samsung970Evo plus 500gb SSD/Dual ssd EZ swap evo/PSU EVGA SuperNova 1200w-P2 80+Platinum/GPU Titan Xp /8-ML-140 on push-pull on 2-280GTX rads
For system imaging and large data backup I use 2TB WD Blues (previously WD Greens) in a USB 3 Docking station. I use dual slot Docking stations so I can make images to 2 separate drives with minimal hassle. The 2 TB WD Blues have a good price point and I find them fast enough for backup.

I wouldn't touch an external portable (eg MyBook Essentials) for backup except in special circumstances.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build
OS
Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
CPU
Intel i7 2600k
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe
Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+)
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB, Samsung SSD 840 120GB, Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS x2
PSU
Seasonic M12II 520W
Case
Lian Li Lancool PC-K60
Cooling
Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+
Keyboard
Logitech MK520 (wireless)
Mouse
Logitech MK520
Internet Speed
6-7 Mbps
Antivirus
Norton Security Premium, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC)
Browser
FireFox
Other Info
Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1
That's one item I'm unsure about, how large a drive I'd need. I'd want at least 1TB but with cost the way it is I can afford 4TB.

Over the years our 7box has only grown to 220GB out of 1TB and on a 1TB back-up drive that leaves me with at least 4images with considering overhead, but including our win10 machines that 220 grows to 380 so I'd need at least a 2Tb and if I'm making bi-monthly back-ups on all three machines the logical choice would be a 4TB.

I've been ignoring SSD's only because of the re-write cycles and how long will it last, I'd believe it has gotten better since they came out, but I'm not sure.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Gateway DX4831-01e (Mid-Tower Desktop)
OS
Originally Win 7 Hm Prem x64 Ver 6.1.7600 Build 7601-SP1 | Upgraded to Windows 10 December 14, 2019
CPU
Intel i3 530 2.93GHz, 2933MHz 2 Cores 4 Logical Processors
Motherboard
Gateway H57M01 133 megahertz
Memory
6GB of 1,333MHz DDR3 SDRAM
Graphics Card(s)
32MB Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD IGChip
Sound Card
Realtek High Definition Audio
Monitor(s) Displays
Gateway HX2000 20inch TFT active matrix TN
Screen Resolution
1600 x 900 x 59 hertz
Hard Drives
WDC WD10EADS-00M2B0 [HDD] (1000.20 GB) -- drive 0,
HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH41N [CD-ROM dr]
Four card readers, and Four USB 2.0
PSU
300watts.
Case
Mid-Tower Desktop
Cooling
Stock from Gateway
Keyboard
Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000, see Other Info
Mouse
Orig. Gateway wore out now using Insignia USB wired optical
Internet Speed
Vz FIOS 10ms png 57.64Mbps down 65.53Mbps up Speedtest.org
Antivirus
Zamana Anti-logger with Anti-malware, MSE, Windows Firewall,
Browser
IE11.0.9600.19399-Upd ver11.0.135, Firefox 68.0.1 x64
Other Info
System Specs by Belarc.

BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. P01-A0 11/17/2009

Replaced the MS 'Natural' Standard PS/2 Enhanced 101-102 Keyboard with a new Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 on August 1st 2014.

Canon Pixma MG3222 Printer.

Updated to IE11 on 12102015 | Fios Quantum Router g1100

Additional AV: SpywareBlaster, manual Mbam, SAS
I'd always have system images on more than one HDD. 2TB can store heaps of images plus data even for 3 PCs. So I'd go 2x2TB. Size will depend on how much non image data you have. If you go >2TB then you'll need to format GPT and not MBR. I suppose most backup/recovery tools support GPT now?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build
OS
Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
CPU
Intel i7 2600k
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe
Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+)
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB, Samsung SSD 840 120GB, Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS x2
PSU
Seasonic M12II 520W
Case
Lian Li Lancool PC-K60
Cooling
Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+
Keyboard
Logitech MK520 (wireless)
Mouse
Logitech MK520
Internet Speed
6-7 Mbps
Antivirus
Norton Security Premium, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC)
Browser
FireFox
Other Info
Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1
...I've been ignoring SSD's only because of the re-write cycles and how long will it last, I'd believe it has gotten better since they came out, but I'm not sure.

SSD write life has definitely improved. For example, a 2TB Samsung 850 EVO has a warranty of five years or 150TBW (TeraBytesWrites), whichever comes first. To use up 150TB of writes in five years, one would have to write 2.5TB a month! Add to that, most SSDs will last longer than the length of their warranty. At 1TB per month, that drive could last 12.5 years.

However, loss of write life is not the only thing that could cause an SSD to fail. The NANDs themselves and the controller could also fail. I had one 4TB Samsung 850 EVO give me problems right out of the box (it kept dropping out on me; the vendor replaced it). The chances are, though, most SSDs will last past their warranty period.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Custom Build
OS
Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
Browser
IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
I would suggest not worrying about the reads and writes on hard drives or ssd's. What ever the reads and writes are, is what is needed. Any hard drive or ssd can go bad but most don't. So just use them. Worry about something else.
I have had hard drives, ssd, and thumb drives go bad. It happens no matter what brand is chosen.

The warranty is what I concern my self with. Is the warranty handled quickly and without jumping through loops. Saving a few dollars on hardware that most likely will last 5 years or longer is false
economics to me.

To make my life easier I use Hot Swap, which use Sata connections. Plug them in. Make a backup.
Check the backup. Unplug and remove drive. "DONE"

Icy Dock is my choice of Hot Swap bays. That is one reason I insist that my towers have 5 1/4 bays in the front.

Of course my systems are desktops, which pretty much are not designed to be portable and difficult to get through air ports with.

Jack
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home made Desktop
OS
Windows 10 Pro. 64/ version 1709 Windows 7 Pro/64
CPU
Intel i7-6800K @ 4.3
Motherboard
ASUS X-99 Deluxe II
Memory
Corsair Platinum 16 gig @2400
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA GTX 1070 OC
Monitor(s) Displays
Asus 27" LED LCD/VE278Q
Screen Resolution
1920-1080 or 1280-720 HDMI
Hard Drives
INTEL SSD 730-240 Gb Sata 3.0/
PSU
EVGA Platium 1200W
Case
Phanteks Luxe Tempered Glass 8 fans/ one radiator
Cooling
XSPC/ Water Cooled CPU
Keyboard
Das 4 Professional
Mouse
Logitech M705/MX Anywhere 2-S
Internet Speed
100 mbits
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials/ Malwarebytes Premium 3.0/ SAS
Browser
I.E. 11 default/Firefox/ ISP Time Warner Cable/Spectrum
Other Info
LG BluRay Burner/
Sound system-KLipsch-THX/
Icy Dock ssd Hot Swap bays.
A 2TB Samsung 850 EVO SSD costs around Au$900 (US$700). A 2TB WD Blue is costing a little less than Au$100. A 4TB WD Blue is around Au$180. A 2TB WD Black is around Au$170 - not that you need a black for backup.
So SSDs aren't cost effective for large backup at the moment.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build
OS
Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
CPU
Intel i7 2600k
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe
Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+)
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB, Samsung SSD 840 120GB, Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS x2
PSU
Seasonic M12II 520W
Case
Lian Li Lancool PC-K60
Cooling
Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+
Keyboard
Logitech MK520 (wireless)
Mouse
Logitech MK520
Internet Speed
6-7 Mbps
Antivirus
Norton Security Premium, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC)
Browser
FireFox
Other Info
Audio: Logitech Z523 2.1
A 2TB Samsung 850 EVO SSD costs around Au$900 (US$700). A 2TB WD Blue is costing a little less than Au$100. A 4TB WD Blue is around Au$180. A 2TB WD Black is around Au$170 - not that you need a black for backup.
So SSDs aren't cost effective for large backup at the moment.

I was pointing out earlier that limited write life is no longer a cause for concern with SSDs. Cost is another story. There are a lot of variables that determine the cost effectiveness of SSDs for backups or even storage. For most of us, they do not come even close for anything other than a boot drive or the one drive in a notebook or a smaller laptop.

However, people may decide that SSDs are worth the cost for other reasons. One huge advantage is increased speed. In my case, I can update three data drive backups in just a few minutes instead of an hour or more. However, it was mostly because SSDs are much smaller and lighter. Besides taking up less room inside a computer, SSDs being used for backup drives take up far less space in storage and are far easier to transport because of their much smaller size and lighter weight. I used to carry six HDDs to and from my credit union in a Pelican case that could carry up to ten HDDs. With only six backup HDDs in it (I had two onsite and two offsite backups for each data HDD in my computer), that case was seriously heavy; heavy enough to be a danger to my old back. Anymore would have been a real pain...literally. If I had more than five HDDs in my computer, I would have had to lug around two Pelican cases (and have paramedics on standby) since that model case had room for only ten HDDs.

I also had to pull each backup HDD out of the antistatic foam "egg crate" in the drawer I kept them in, insert each one into an antistatic bag, then put it in the Pelican case. Once I got the HDDs to my Credit Union, I had to pull the HDDs out of the case and swap them out with the ones in my safe deposit box where I keep my offsite backups, then load the ones I took out of the safe deposit box into the case, lug them home, remove them from the antistatic bags, and put them back into the drawer. Adding insult to injury, my safe deposit box was already pretty darned heavy with only six HDDs in it and there wasn't much room for any more.

Now that I've gone all SSDs (I have four data drives in my computer now), I have a much smaller Pelican case that has a pair of homebrew antistatic foam "egg crates" or "pigeon holes" that will fit in it. I keep one egg crate in a much smaller drawer at home and the other in my safe deposit box. Each egg crate can hold up to 22 2.5" drives (although I doubt I'll ever put more than 16 in one, if even that many). When I need to swap out my onsite backup drives with my offsite backup drives, I just take the egg crate with the eight backup SSDs in it, put it in the smaller Pelican case, carry it to the credit union (no paramedics needed), swap out the egg crates, haul the case with the swapped out egg crate home, and put the egg crate back into the drawer. The time I spend swapping out my backup drives is considerably less, my old back no longer suffers, and I need far less room to store the drives.

Was my switch to all SSDs cost effective? Heck no! Not in my wildest dreams (unless, maybe, you factor in the cost of standby paramedics and medical expenses for a blown back). Was it worth giving up buying a new truck to pay for the darned things. For a handicapped, flatulent geriatric, oh heck yeah!
 

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Intel i7-3930K
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ASUS P9X79 WS
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Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
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MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
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Asus Xonar Essence STX
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3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
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Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
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Corsair HX750w
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Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
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LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
Hi,
Ideally you'd have a 1tb hdd for each machine and recycle the older images with newer ones.
The heat an hdd produces as a os drive compared to an ssd that produces next to no heat is reason enough to me to use one as a primary but as always budget rules but dependability/ reads/ writes wise it's no different
The real difference is pure performance an ssd will bring an older device to life my old M-series Gateway is a animal compared to what it was :D
 

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ASUS SABERTOOTH X99 2nd ASUS x299 Apex
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Hi,
Ideally you'd have a 1tb hdd for each machine and recycle the older images with newer ones.
This doesn't give you backup HDD redundancy. With Macrium you aren't likely to get confused putting all machine images on the one drive. Just have folders PC-A, PC-B... or whatever clearly identifies the individual PCs. You need the discipline to put duplicate images on another physical drive in case the other one fails.

An SSD for the OS drive is obviously the way to go. We are talking about backing up a number of system images and SSDs aren't the way to go at the moment.
 

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Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB, Samsung SSD 840 120GB, Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS x2
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Lian Li Lancool PC-K60
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Hi everyone I didn't get lost, as usual real life has slowed me down and I'm trying to absorb all the info you kind folks have posted especially Jeannie and Jack.

mjf you're accurate on those 850EVO SSD prices and that way to go would be a might salty for now so I'm leaning towards the two internal 2TB HDDs with or without docks, and having a 250GB SSD for the OS drive is an interesting angle, I could get all three for about $400.USD and an extra what $100 for the docks if I go that way, that's not too bad let me know if I'm too high or too low. TZ I'll just have to keep a closer eye on my backup recycling. :geek:
 

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Here is a pic of 2x 2TB drives in a dual slot docking station that I use for backups inc system images. I just leave it on the end of my desk. The usb3 cable is always connected to my PC but I plug in the power adapter and turn the dock on when needed.
The extra tidy people may want it off the desk when not in use - I couldn't be bothered.
Dock.jpg
 

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G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+)
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Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
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Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB, Samsung SSD 840 120GB, Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS x2
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Seasonic M12II 520W
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Lian Li Lancool PC-K60
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Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+
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Logitech MK520 (wireless)
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I'm anal so I prefer using internal docks for my external HDDs; they look more sanitary than external docks plus the SATA connection is faster than USB 3.0 in real world performance on my rig. I recently removed the 3.5" hot swap bay that was in my rig and replaced it with a 2.5" hot swap bay in addition to the built in 2.5" hot swap bay.

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That dust you see is what has accumulated in less than a week and looks worse in the photos than in real life.

Here, I have two SSDs plugged into the hot swap bays:

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I like that style of hot swap bay since I can just gently shove the drives into the slots, then just pull them out when done rather than have to horse with doors and eject mechanisms (which are often prone to breaking).

This is one of the two "egg crates" or "pigeon holes" that I store my backup drives in (the coin is a $1 USD fake gold coin):

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The blue ribbons make it easier to lift the egg crates out of the drawer and Pelican case.
 

My Computer

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Custom Build
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Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
CPU
Intel i7-3930K
Motherboard
ASUS P9X79 WS
Memory
Kingston HyperX Genesis 32GB Kit (8x4GB Modules) 1600MHz DDR
Graphics Card(s)
MSI R7850 Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC Radeon HD 7850 2GB 256-bit GDDR
Sound Card
Asus Xonar Essence STX
Monitor(s) Displays
3x Asus VG248QE 24", Vizio 32" TV
Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080, ?
Hard Drives
Samsung 128GB 840 Pro SSD (1),
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (4)
Samsung 4TB 850 EVO SSDs (16) external backup drives used in 2.5" hot swap bays in the computer.
PSU
Corsair HX750w
Case
Antec Two Hundred v2 (modified)
Cooling
Cooler Master GeminII S524 120mm (fan replaced with a 140mm)
Keyboard
Logitech G510s
Mouse
Logitech M525 (two in use)
Internet Speed
=< 32Mbps down, 8Mbps up
Antivirus
AVAST!, MBAM, SAS, Spybot S&D (all but MBAM free) Glary Util
Browser
IE11
Other Info
LSI 9211-8i HBA card (8 SATA III ports), 2.5" & 3.5" Hot Swap Bays, HooToo HT-CR001 PCI-E to USB 3.0 Internal Hub + 6 Slot Card Reader, and LG Model CH12LS28 BD-ROM Optical Drive. Also, ScanSnap S1500 ADF duplexing scanner, Canon 9000F flat bed scanner, Corsair SP2500 2.1 speakers, Samsung CLP 415nw laser color printer, Cyberpower PP2200SW UPS
Are internal docks basically hot swapping cradles? I assumed that hot swap drive sata connections would need to be physically pushed in and out each time they were used resulting in wear over time on the connectors.
The drives in my external docking stations are not physically inserted and ejected very often. They get connected and disconnected by a power switch. They could be placed out of sight somewhere I guess for anal retentiveness. It would look neater!

For spinners I don't think direct sata vs usb3 data transfer rates (up to 5 Gb/s) would make a difference. I don't think spinner R/W rates come close to the usb3 limit? SSDs are a different story - you probably want sata 6 Gb/s.
 

My Computer

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PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build
OS
Windows 7x64 Home Premium SP1
CPU
Intel i7 2600k
Motherboard
ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe
Memory
G.Skill Ripjaws (DDR3-1600) 2x4GB
Graphics Card(s)
Nvidia GeForce GTS 450; Intel HD Graphics 3000(GT2+)
Monitor(s) Displays
Dell Ultrasharp IPS panel U2311H, Samsung SyncMaster P2350
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Samsung 850 Pro SSD 256GB, Samsung SSD 840 120GB, Seagates 1TB Barracuda ST31000528AS x2
PSU
Seasonic M12II 520W
Case
Lian Li Lancool PC-K60
Cooling
Case: 1x120mm, 3x140mm CPU: Hyper 212+
Keyboard
Logitech MK520 (wireless)
Mouse
Logitech MK520
Internet Speed
6-7 Mbps
Antivirus
Norton Security Premium, Malwarebytes on 2 (MSE on 3rd PC)
Browser
FireFox
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