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Is there a way to increase my internal HDD buffer. I have a few HD videos that have a higher bitrate than my hard drives buffer.
 

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You have to install another HDD with e.g. a 32 or 64MB cache like this one. Check the cache size of yours, it may be only 8MB.
 

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Do drive caches really make that much of a difference? E.g. say a 32MB cache, how much data would it hold, generally speaking? about 1 second at the most? Since windows uses unused RAM to cache gigabytes worth of data, I would think adding RAM would provide a much bigger performance boost than anything a hard drive can give you.
 

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Disk caching and RAM caching both have their function in a well working hierarchical storage management. The bottleneck comes from the weakest link, and that can very well be the disk cache.
Btw: the OP was asking to increase the HDD buffer (=cache).
 

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Is there a way to increase my internal HDD buffer. I have a few HD videos that have a higher bitrate than my hard drives buffer.

No, you can't. The "buffer" is a chip soldered to your HDD. You either buy faster disk, or buy disk with larger cache. HD video is compressed video, the bitrate is way way lower than the slowest HDD on the market today. A slow laptop HDD (this is a slow HDD, desktop disks can achieve ~60MB/s or more) can achieve ~30MB/s to ~40MB/s in sequential read (I assume your HD video file is contiguous), that's well over 200Mbit/s (or two hundred thousand kb/s), way way way above HD requirement. Can you tell me what makes you think that your HDD is the bottleneck?

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Btw: the OP was asking to increase the HDD buffer (=cache).
WHS, Just trying to pick your brains and learn from you!:p:D
 

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Btw: the OP was asking to increase the HDD buffer (=cache).
WHS, Just trying to pick your brains and learn from you!:p:D

Bill, I am honored. I am not sure though, how much you can learn from me. My hay days were 40 years ago. I am getting too old for this stuff now. :confused:
 

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Is there a way to increase my internal HDD buffer. I have a few HD videos that have a higher bitrate than my hard drives buffer.

My first question is why do you think this is true?

I stream 1080p over wireless all the time... Wireless == roughly 5mB per second.
Now unless your hard disk is giving you a throughput of less than 5mB per second you shouldn't have any problem with it at all.

It's not about cache size, it's about SPEED.

One thing I noticed when I was trying Win7 on my HTPC was that it had really REALLY lousy hard disk speeds... My HTPC is an ASRock ION 330 with 500gb sata drive. Under win7 it tested in at burst speeds of 14mBps with sustained speeds of 9mBps. When I switched back to XP on that same machine the speeds went to 122 and 67 respectively. This slowness caused all kinds of havoc... MP3s would stop playing and the speakers would make this horrific BRAAAAAAP sound. Videos got out of sync, and stuttered, nothing worked right. When I switched it back to XP all those problems vanished.

Now I'm not saying you should switch to XP, I'm suggesting that if you're having problems with video and audio playback it's not your disk cache that's the problem... most likely it's the drivers for your hard disk not giving you the full speed capability of the drive.

If you go into hardware manager and look at your IDE/SATA controller (not the drive itself) you will likely find a speed test button... or you may need to engage a third party benchmarking program. In either case you need at least 20MBps of sustained throughput to play 1080p content (allowing for other processes that might be using the hard disk at the same time). If you aren't getting this, you need to look into new drivers for your IDE controller... If you are getting good throughput you should look into other stuff running on your machine that might be saturating your harddrive's bandwidth at critical moments causing problems with video playback.

Finally be sure you aren't mistaking the BYTE size of your disk cache for the BIT rate of your videos... 1 byte == 10 bits (8 bits data + 2 bits ECC) so if your video is asking for 10Mbps it requires a drive capable of delivering roughly 1.6mBps (note the capitalization, b is bits, B is bytes... and yes it's very confusing)

In any event I seriusly doubt that buying an expensive new hard disk is going to fix anything.
 

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Can you tell me what makes you think that your HDD is the bottleneck?

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When i play other 1080p video (native resolution is 768p) with WMP, it plays without lag, and it said the bitrate of that was about 4-6 MB/sec. This 1080p video was 14 MB/sec, and it wouldnt stop lagging.
 

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Trace your computer, use "Resource Monitor" see if anything is using your resources while you're playing HD video. Looking at your spec, your HDD is far more than enough to stream HD video. There's gotta be something else bogging your system down.

zzz2496
 

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The only thing using a lot of resources, was WMP.exe, and if played through VLC, vlc.exe*32.
 

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Can you tell me what makes you think that your HDD is the bottleneck?

zzz2496

When i play other 1080p video (native resolution is 768p) with WMP, it plays without lag, and it said the bitrate of that was about 4-6 MB/sec. This 1080p video was 14 MB/sec, and it wouldnt stop lagging.

Ok looking at your specs I see you're on a laptop with Radeon graphics. This is a pretty good setup but the graphics chip, sharing memory on a laptop can be problematic for HD rendering. Especially when the video software has to shrink the image... Shrinking takes a lot more processing than enlarging. Even if you are connected to a 1080p screen, you're still going to run into problems with windows media player and your graphics chip.

Try this... play the same videos with Media Player Classic and see how it goes. I've had all kinds of problems with video on laptops and most often it's been windows media player acting like a resource hog. MPClassic is lightweight yet has all it's codecs built right in and optimized... making it far more efficient.

Media Player Classic - Home Cinema - Video Player

I have a Toshiba L300d and this was the fix.
 

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Well since i am thinking of getting a new laptop, if it displays 1920x1200 nativly, even if it had the same amount of integrated graphics, would it lag still. The HDD in it has an 8 MB buffer.
 

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Well since i am thinking of getting a new laptop, if it displays 1920x1200 nativly, even if it had the same amount of integrated graphics, would it lag still. The HDD in it has an 8 MB buffer.

You have nothing to lose by trying my suggestion...

Uless you are planning to upgrade for different reasons, this could turn into a horrible waste of money. I'm thinking your problem is software not hardware... namely Windows Media Player... probably the worst piece of software Microsoft ever produced.
 

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I was upgrading to a Gaming PC anyway, it wasnt for this reason.

And when I play it through MPC, it will occasionally, pause for a second, and the audio is going on and off ever 3 seconds.
 

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I was upgrading to a Gaming PC anyway, it wasnt for this reason.

And when I play it through MPC, it will occasionally, pause for a second, and the audio is going on and off ever 3 seconds.
Did you ever check your latency when this happens. DPC Latency Checker
 

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came out as

DPC Latency Checker V1.2.0.png
 

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That looks good. No action required - at least not here.
 

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So is it a bad video then?
 

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If it's only that one video, I would suspect you are right.
 

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