Is this new computer a mistake?

muskrat

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Last week my brother bought a new inexpensive desktop to replace a a laptop. The desktop is an HP P2 -1124 with an AMD-E300 dual core processor with 4G RAM. The only info I can find on the processor is that it came out last year and was used for Notebook computers. What is it doing in an inexpensive desktop?

Second question. I always thought that new computer should outperform an old computer, but he is using the new desktop to replace an Acer laptop he bought in 2010 which had an Intel T4400 dual core(the T4400 came out in 2009).
Is this a step up?
 

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OS
Windows 7 64 bit
If you believe the Passmark benches:

PassMark CPU Lookup

PassMark - Pentium Dual-Core T4400 @ 2.20GHz - Price performance comparison

the AMD-E300 is greatly inferior to the T4400 in performance. The E300 is listed as an "APU", which means that its integrated graphics are supposed to be relatively good. However, it seems to be aimed at the Atom CPUs. (For low power netbook/tablet use.)

The specs for the HP Pavilion P2-1124 are here:

HP Pavilion p2-1124 Desktop PC Product Specifications HP Pavilion p2-1124 Desktop PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

The interesting feature is its external 65W power supply. A common notebook external power supply is a 90W unit.

If your brother is interested in performance, he has just done a major downgrade.
 

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Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
homegrown
OS
Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
CPU
Intel Core I7-3930k
Motherboard
Asus P9X79 Pro
Memory
16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133
Graphics Card(s)
eVGA GTX680
Sound Card
Creative X-Fi Titanium
Monitor(s) Displays
As PA246Q
Screen Resolution
1920 X 1200
Hard Drives
Corsair Force GT, 120 GB
WDC 1.5TB Caviar Black
PSU
PCP&C Silencer 750 Crossfire
Case
Silverstone FT02
Cooling
Noctua NH-D14
Keyboard
cheap Logitech USB
Mouse
Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (old optical) USB
Internet Speed
6Mb cable
Other Info
Pioneer BDR-205
Samsung SH-203B
Monsoon 5.1 speakers
Is he able to return the computer?
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Apple 17" iMac MA199LL (Early 2006)
OS
Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)
CPU
1.83GHz Intel Core Duo
Memory
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (PC2-5300) (upgrade)
Graphics Card(s)
ATI Radeon X1600 with 128MB GDDR3 memory
Monitor(s) Displays
17-inch TFT active-matrix LCD, millions of colors
Screen Resolution
1440 x 900
Hard Drives
Hitachi 320GB HDT721032SLA360 7200RPM SATA II (upgrade)
Keyboard
Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600
Mouse
Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse v2.0
Internet Speed
4 Mbps
Antivirus
Microsoft Security Essentials
Browser
Google Chrome
Other Info
WEI:
Base Score: 3.9 Processor: 4.4 Memory 4.7
Graphics: 3.9 Gaming Graphics: 4.1 Primary HD: 5.9
As Bob says mate never a good idea to buy inexpensive machines and I always say without researching them first. It probably would have been a good idea to ask in here for opinions first if one is not sure.

I have had several friends who have bought those little Atom based thingies against me telling them they are not much chop and got me to set them up for performance but heck you have to wring the living daylights out of them to get any speed.

Is what Future says an option or can he afford another better machine and keep this one as a back up? as I don't like his chances of getting the retailer of accepting it back and if he does it isn't going to make them very happy. :(

If that is an option post back here for advice from members - stacks who can steer you in the right direction.
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build (new) Desk1 / Asus ROG Win 7 / Desk2 1st build
OS
Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
CPU
Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i5 2500
Motherboard
Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ?
Memory
Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Sound Card
Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop
Monitor(s) Displays
Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 D1 & D2 & Laptop 1
Hard Drives
Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Asus ROG 256GB 850 Pro SSD
Desk2 Samsung 840 256 SSD
Toshiba 120GB EVO
PSU
Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650
Case
Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster
Cooling
Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ?
Keyboard
Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4
Mouse
Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless
Internet Speed
ADSL2+
Other Info
One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2016 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK
Is this a step up?

It sure is if his laptop was kaput.
If it does what he needs it to do, and he didn't get hosed on the price, it' all good.
If it doesn't do what he wants, then it's a bad purchase.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Home Built
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
QuadCore Intel Core i7 920, 2666 MHz (20 x 133)
Motherboard
Asus P6T
Memory
6134 MB (DDR3-1333 DDR3 SDRAM)
Graphics Card(s)
(2 - SLI) NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 (1024 MB)
Sound Card
Onboard Realtek ALC888/1200 @ Intel 82801JB IC
Monitor(s) Displays
HDMII
Screen Resolution
1280 x 800
Hard Drives
Crucial M4 (64 GB SSD)
WD Caviar Blacks
WD5001AALS-00J7B1 ATA Device (465 GB)
WD5001AALS-00J7B1 ATA Device (465 GB)
WD5001AALS-00L3B2 ATA Device (465 GB)
WD Elements USB External (250 GB)
PSU
Corsair 550
Case
iStarUSA S-10000BL Black
Well according to this HP Pavilion p2-1100 Desktop PC series*-* HP Pavilion p2-1119 Desktop PC Product Specifications - c03155043 - HP Business Support Center the machine is basically a small 10-11" laptop type based Desktop with much the same performance as the small laptop itself. What is worrysome is the fact that the CPU is soldered onto the mobo so if it lets go then you may as well bin the thing as you would have to just about replace the mobo.

Specs on the CPU itself are not bad but not what I would be wanting out of a small desktop - How does AMD's new E-450 chip stack up? - Liliputing

Now muskrat how much did your brother pay for this mate? if it's not too rude a question? Because I set up a very nice little Acer (am not keen on those either but....) for an old fellow last week which he paid about $565 (AUD) for and it had an i5 core and 4Gb in it plus Windows the Home version and not that awful Starter that those tiny things come with (hopefully your brothers machine had Home version on it) plus keyboard mouse and speakers. It ran really fast and after the usual tweaks from the Brink's tutorial "Optimise" went like a rocket.

Sorry to sound so pessimistic mate but really it needed researching first:huh:

Look I am not critcising I do like HP stuff as I have found them in the most part well built I am just really sorry that this might be an expensive lesson to be learning now.
 
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My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build (new) Desk1 / Asus ROG Win 7 / Desk2 1st build
OS
Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
CPU
Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i5 2500
Motherboard
Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ?
Memory
Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Sound Card
Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop
Monitor(s) Displays
Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 D1 & D2 & Laptop 1
Hard Drives
Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Asus ROG 256GB 850 Pro SSD
Desk2 Samsung 840 256 SSD
Toshiba 120GB EVO
PSU
Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650
Case
Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster
Cooling
Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ?
Keyboard
Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4
Mouse
Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless
Internet Speed
ADSL2+
Other Info
One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2016 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK
My brother paid $280.00 for the computer,monitor not included, at Best Buy in New York City. Intended use: surfing the internet and sending emails. No gaming.
 

My Computer

OS
Windows 7 64 bit
My brother paid $280.00 for the computer,monitor not included, at Best Buy in New York City. Intended use: surfing the internet and sending emails. No gaming.

Sounds like it may serve him perfectly well.

(His old notebook may have been overkill by comparison.)
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
homegrown
OS
Windows 7 Pro X64 SP1
CPU
Intel Core I7-3930k
Motherboard
Asus P9X79 Pro
Memory
16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133
Graphics Card(s)
eVGA GTX680
Sound Card
Creative X-Fi Titanium
Monitor(s) Displays
As PA246Q
Screen Resolution
1920 X 1200
Hard Drives
Corsair Force GT, 120 GB
WDC 1.5TB Caviar Black
PSU
PCP&C Silencer 750 Crossfire
Case
Silverstone FT02
Cooling
Noctua NH-D14
Keyboard
cheap Logitech USB
Mouse
Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer (old optical) USB
Internet Speed
6Mb cable
Other Info
Pioneer BDR-205
Samsung SH-203B
Monsoon 5.1 speakers
As others have said, based on his needs, this low power machine may fit the bill perfectly.
 

My Computer

Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Self-Built in July 2009
OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
CPU
Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
Memory
8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
Graphics Card(s)
EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
Sound Card
Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
Monitor(s) Displays
23" Acer x233H
Screen Resolution
1920x1080
Hard Drives
Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
PSU
Corsair 620HX modular
Case
Antec P182
Cooling
stock
Keyboard
ABS M1 Mechanical
Mouse
Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
Internet Speed
15/2 cable modem
Other Info
Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.
Yeah well if that is all then I suppose it's ok but it begs the question why ditch the laptop if that is all he wanted a computer for?
 

My Computer

Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build (new) Desk1 / Asus ROG Win 7 / Desk2 1st build
OS
Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
CPU
Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i5 2500
Motherboard
Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ?
Memory
Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Sound Card
Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop
Monitor(s) Displays
Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 D1 & D2 & Laptop 1
Hard Drives
Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Asus ROG 256GB 850 Pro SSD
Desk2 Samsung 840 256 SSD
Toshiba 120GB EVO
PSU
Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650
Case
Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster
Cooling
Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ?
Keyboard
Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4
Mouse
Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless
Internet Speed
ADSL2+
Other Info
One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2016 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK
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