Microsoft sets stage for massive Windows 10 upgrade strategy

[Layback Bear]

Just a thought.
Could it be that when one runs a scan with MSE and finds nothing, this is because MSE didn't let anything (virus) in the computer?

I'm of the thought that if one runs a scan using their anti virus program and finds virus on their system that should be worrisome.
Those virus had to pass by their anti virus program to get their in the first place.

I have use MSE and Malwarebytes Pro/Premium for years with out problems.

On this computer just yesterday I ran a full scan with MSE, Malwarebytes, SAS and AdwCleaner and found nothing.

To finish off my security scans I used Eset Online scan and found 2 little no nothing, maybe goodies left by Google. Used for tracking from my understanding.
They are gone now.

I really don't know what is the best combination of security one should use.
I just know what has and still works for my systems.
I don't know if the built in Windows 7 firewall is the best. It does work for me.
It has no frills, bells, and whistles. I don't know how it does it job but I believe it does it's job.

I feel my Windows 7 systems are as safe as newer versions of Windows.
Time will tell.

 

[ThrashZone]

I wish it were that easy
Not the case mbam blocked many attempts when mse was seemingly asleep

I did a download recently open candy was sensed by Panda and mbam flagged and stopped
never in mse's existence has it ever flagged open candy as malicious and there are many similar items mse will never detect.

 

[Layback Bear]

You got me their ThrashZone.

MSE has never gave me a pop up flag when it stops something.
I don't really know if MSE has the pop up flag capability.
My understanding is just stop them and tells you nothing about the block.
MSE has no frills.
When I don't get viruses I'm assuming that it works.

 

[lehnerus2000]

From a certain point of view

The greatest risk W7 users face is from M$py. Otherwise, the article is full of bull biscuits, starting with the claim Win 7 is ten years old.

MS may have started writing the new bits for W7 10 years ago, in which case, what they said "is true from a certain point of view".

 

[jamis]

Like LBB, I get no viruses or Trojans with the security combination I use, so I also assume it works. Norton Internet Security (also the firewall), Spybot S&D, Malwarebytes, and MSERT.

 

[groze]

Open Candy was flagged by MSE & Windows Defender in the past but it is no longer flagged. The reason, Open Candy improved the opt out of install it. Panda virus actually messed up the install of the dell webcam installation. It also included Open Candy. I didn't install the Open Candy part of the software. An Open Candy registry key was created but I am not sure if it was caused by the dell webcam software or the Epson registration software. Epson registration software was easily remove by uninstalling it. No viruses program detected any Open Candy software install. I think it was AdwCleaner that detected the registry key and it also detects needed things in Google Chrome browser which isn't save to remove in my opinion.


Note, for reference some Panda virus programs uses the cloud.

 

[jonnyhillow]

Just a thought.
Could it be that when one runs a scan with MSE and finds nothing, this is because MSE didn't let anything (virus) in the computer?

I'm of the thought that if one runs a scan using their anti virus program and finds virus on their system that should be worrisome.
Those virus had to pass by their anti virus program to get their in the first place.

I have use MSE and Malwarebytes Pro/Premium for years with out problems.

On this computer just yesterday I ran a full scan with MSE, Malwarebytes, SAS and AdwCleaner and found nothing.

To finish off my security scans I used Eset Online scan and found 2 little no nothing, maybe goodies left by Google. Used for tracking from my understanding.
They are gone now.

I really don't know what is the best combination of security one should use.
I just know what has and still works for my systems.
I don't know if the built in Windows 7 firewall is the best. It does work for me.
It has no frills, bells, and whistles. I don't know how it does it job but I believe it does it's job.

I feel my Windows 7 systems are as safe as newer versions of Windows.
Time will tell.

Eset always flags "Open Candy" and always detects something called " google toolbar" which now comes standard with the CCleaner .exe program . CCleaner used to never have this but it is and has been a part of the executable program for well over a year now .

Downloading CCleaner portable is the way to avoid it , there is no security program that picks up the "google toolbar" except Eset online scanner but make sure you check the box for detection of "potentially unwanted programs " or you will miss it .

 

[Callender]

RE: Open Candy

The latest version gets a clean bill of health from microsoft and has a digital signature:

Adware:Win32/OpenCandy

Older versions of Open Candy that break guidelines might still be bundled with some program installers.

Personally I keep it off my system.

 

[Layback Bear]

Open Candy to me is like the way the Ask tool bar was.
For a long time they used slutty ways to get into computer so I will never let them on my system no matter what their new image in the world is.

 

[Callender]

Open Candy to me is like the way the Ask tool bar was.
For a long time they used slutty ways to get into computer so I will never let them on my system no matter what their new image in the world is.

Agreed.

Eset always flags "Open Candy" and always detects something called " google toolbar" which now comes standard with the CCleaner .exe program . CCleaner used to never have this but it is and has been a part of the executable program for well over a year now .

Downloading CCleaner portable is the way to avoid it , there is no security program that picks up the "google toolbar" except Eset online scanner but make sure you check the box for detection of "potentially unwanted programs " or you will miss it .

Actually if you turn off Ccleaner's auto update check and manually check for new builds the Slim Build is the best one to go for. It does not contain any extras (toolbars or anything else)

Ccleaner Builds: https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds

Note: After a new version is released it takes anywhere from a few days up to a week before the Slim Build is listed on the page for download. It's always released days after the regular build.

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[Layback Bear]

Thank you Chris for the Ccleaner Slim idea.
I will give it a try.

 

[jonnyhillow]

Open Candy to me is like the way the Ask tool bar was.
For a long time they used slutty ways to get into computer so I will never let them on my system no matter what their new image in the world is.

Agreed.

Eset always flags "Open Candy" and always detects something called " google toolbar" which now comes standard with the CCleaner .exe program . CCleaner used to never have this but it is and has been a part of the executable program for well over a year now .

Downloading CCleaner portable is the way to avoid it , there is no security program that picks up the "google toolbar" except Eset online scanner but make sure you check the box for detection of "potentially unwanted programs " or you will miss it .

Actually if you turn off Ccleaner's auto update check and manually check for new builds the Slim Build is the best one to go for. It does not contain any extras (toolbars or anything else)

Ccleaner Builds: https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/builds

Note: After a new version is released it takes anywhere from a few days up to a week before the Slim Build is listed on the page for download. It's always released days after the regular build.

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I complained in the CCleaner forums on how to avoid the "toolbar" and the admin's there told me to use the portable version as it is free of that stuff so i have been using it for a long time and no toolbar's at all .

It always comes up clean in Eset as well . I think i used "slim" a long time ago but since the portable is available earlier i will just continue to use that .

Thanks

 

[Berkey]

In regards to open candy and other sneaky software; I usually install Unchecky - Keeps your checkboxes clear on my friends' computer when their finally ready to let me nuke their pc and give them a fresh start (clean reinstall). It's a nice little, "behind the scenes" watchdog for over clicking type people, who end up with a million toolbars. I've tested it a few times and was happy at it's detection (limited sample field, but did well nonetheless) It's low on resources and I would say does a good job for non-techies who don't have much regard toward their computer's security.

@Layback

I really don't know what is the best combination of security one should use.
I just know what has and still works for my systems.
I don't know if the built in Windows 7 firewall is the best. It does work for me.
It has no frills, bells, and whistles. I don't know how it does it job but I believe it does it's job.

If it works and ain't broken, don't fix it my friend. Of course, I would say that safe and sensible surfing, downloading and email practices are far and above the best way to avoid any malware, but there's always the sneaky bugs that outsmart even the guru's, but chances are you're doing just fine for yourself. Some say my setup is overkill, which may be true, but it's all about the sense of security (as it is in all aspects of life) so each to their own, but I know those three brain cells of yours produce a lot more sensible information than the claim gives them credit for

 

[OvenMaster]

The fact that Microsoft brags about security in 10 with a straight face, yet has introduced baked-in phoning home and keyloggers is a rather brazen contradiction. It's a serious strain on their credibility and proof that they think the average consumer is an idiot. I'm insulted.

 

[jonnyhillow]

In regards to open candy and other sneaky software; I usually install Unchecky - Keeps your checkboxes clear on my friends' computer when their finally ready to let me nuke their pc and give them a fresh start (clean reinstall). It's a nice little, "behind the scenes" watchdog for over clicking type people, who end up with a million toolbars. I've tested it a few times and was happy at it's detection (limited sample field, but did well nonetheless) It's low on resources and I would say does a good job for non-techies who don't have much regard toward their computer's security.

@Layback

I really don't know what is the best combination of security one should use.
I just know what has and still works for my systems.
I don't know if the built in Windows 7 firewall is the best. It does work for me.
It has no frills, bells, and whistles. I don't know how it does it job but I believe it does it's job.

If it works and ain't broken, don't fix it my friend. Of course, I would say that safe and sensible surfing, downloading and email practices are far and above the best way to avoid any malware, but there's always the sneaky bugs that outsmart even the guru's, but chances are you're doing just fine for yourself. Some say my setup is overkill, which may be true, but it's all about the sense of security (as it is in all aspects of life) so each to their own, but I know those three brain cells of yours produce a lot more sensible information than the claim gives them credit for

I would be very very careful with wording directed toward Layback Bear , the guy is 6'4 and solid muscle , never seen anything like it , a very very impressive physical specimen to say the least .

Even if you were kidding it's widely known that "the Bear" has a extremely bad temperament and rumor has it that he killed a man just for asking him the time .

The "time seeker" has never been found and authorities fear the worst .

 

[Berkey]

In regards to open candy and other sneaky software; I usually install Unchecky - Keeps your checkboxes clear on my friends' computer when their finally ready to let me nuke their pc and give them a fresh start (clean reinstall). It's a nice little, "behind the scenes" watchdog for over clicking type people, who end up with a million toolbars. I've tested it a few times and was happy at it's detection (limited sample field, but did well nonetheless) It's low on resources and I would say does a good job for non-techies who don't have much regard toward their computer's security.

@Layback

I really don't know what is the best combination of security one should use.
I just know what has and still works for my systems.
I don't know if the built in Windows 7 firewall is the best. It does work for me.
It has no frills, bells, and whistles. I don't know how it does it job but I believe it does it's job.

If it works and ain't broken, don't fix it my friend. Of course, I would say that safe and sensible surfing, downloading and email practices are far and above the best way to avoid any malware, but there's always the sneaky bugs that outsmart even the guru's, but chances are you're doing just fine for yourself. Some say my setup is overkill, which may be true, but it's all about the sense of security (as it is in all aspects of life) so each to their own, but I know those three brain cells of yours produce a lot more sensible information than the claim gives them credit for

I would be very very careful with wording directed toward Layback Bear , the guy is 6'4 and solid muscle , never seen anything like it , a very very impressive physical specimen to say the least .

Even if you were kidding it's widely known that "the Bear" has a extremely bad temperament and rumor has it that he killed a man just for asking him the time .

The "time seeker" has never been found and authorities fear the worst .

The comment was meant as a compliment. I've taken a lot of advice from layback and always chuckle at his "only three brain cells" reference as the man is quite intelligent. I'm sure he'll pick up on that

 

[thelma]

In regards to open candy and other sneaky software; I usually install Unchecky - Keeps your checkboxes clear on my friends' computer when their finally ready to let me nuke their pc and give them a fresh start (clean reinstall). It's a nice little, "behind the scenes" watchdog for over clicking type people, who end up with a million toolbars. I've tested it a few times and was happy at it's detection (limited sample field, but did well nonetheless) It's low on resources and I would say does a good job for non-techies who don't have much regard toward their computer's security.

@Layback


If it works and ain't broken, don't fix it my friend. Of course, I would say that safe and sensible surfing, downloading and email practices are far and above the best way to avoid any malware, but there's always the sneaky bugs that outsmart even the guru's, but chances are you're doing just fine for yourself. Some say my setup is overkill, which may be true, but it's all about the sense of security (as it is in all aspects of life) so each to their own, but I know those three brain cells of yours produce a lot more sensible information than the claim gives them credit for

I would be very very careful with wording directed toward Layback Bear , the guy is 6'4 and solid muscle , never seen anything like it , a very very impressive physical specimen to say the least .

Even if you were kidding it's widely known that "the Bear" has a extremely bad temperament and rumor has it that he killed a man just for asking him the time .

The "time seeker" has never been found and authorities fear the worst .

The comment was meant as a compliment. I've taken a lot of advice from layback and always chuckle at his "only three brain cells" reference as the man is quite intelligent. I'm sure he'll pick up on that

I always thought he was a real bear :huh::shock:

 

[Painter]

Shades of the past. This article was published in August 2009, claiming that the new W7 Operating system is by far the most secure Microsoft OS.

XP, Vista, or Windows 7: Which OS is more secure? | ZDNet

Now we have this article published November 2015. Microsoft CEO: “Windows 10 [is] the most secure operating system.”

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella Says Windows 10 is the Most Secure OS - Fortune

The 'security' being referenced here is the vulnerabilities that have been discovered in the code of the OS itself. Every new OS has to be inherently better, from a security point of view, than its predecessor because through the life cycle of every OS, hundreds of patches (windows updates) are applied to address these vulnerabilities. The successor OS will have these rolled up and included in its base. The opportunity to address vulnerabilities due to coding restrictions is when the new OS is under development. This was the case with XP, W7, W8 and W10.

A few days ago when the Marketing Chief at Microsoft made his now infamous statement "use W7 at your own peril" because it is insecure, was pushing the limits of truthfulness. It was disingenuous as W7 is not perilously insecure, if you have installed all the available security updates and continue to do so until extended support ends in 2020. He was pushing W10, which itself has received several critical security updates since its introduction 6 months ago.

 

[Layback Bear]

I'm back. Some how my cat pushed the button on my surge protector and turned off my router and modem. She likes laying on it for the little heat it puts out.

Back to Ccleaner Slim.

I just installed Ccleaner Slim on both of my computer using the hyper link in Callender post #110.
Did all my security scans including Eset Online scanner and found nothing.

Both downloads and installs were clean as they should be.

P/S:

Thanks for the comments and thoughts.

 

[GEWB]

I always thought he was a real bear :huh::shock:

With all the lake affect snow in northern Ohio LB is truely a polar bear.

Regards,
GEWB (formerly from northern Ohio)