Microsoft sets stage for massive Windows 10 upgrade strategy

[lehnerus2000]

I know a lot of people think ESET is good, but I'll never use ESET again.

The first time I tried it, it auto-deleted my OpenSUSE 12 ISO with no recovery possible.
Luckily I have backup copies on external drives.

As a result, I don't trust its malware detection/removal.

 

[jonnyhillow]

I know a lot of people think ESET is good, but I'll never use ESET again.

The first time I tried it, it auto-deleted my OpenSUSE 12 ISO with no recovery possible.
Luckily I have backup copies on external drives.

As a result, I don't trust its malware detection/removal.

Thats unfortunate but the overwhelming majority of professional malware techs around the web recommends it highly and after using it i can see why.

It regularly finds "malware" and "Pup's" that no other scanner picks up.

As a matter of fact, Eset is recommended as the last scanner to run on the malware assistance help forums at BC .

They run it last because it is a scanner that picks up things others often miss , i wouldn't give on on it , it's a safe and trusted program for most.

 

[scr]

I know a lot of people think ESET is good, but I'll never use ESET again.

The first time I tried it, it auto-deleted my OpenSUSE 12 ISO with no recovery possible.
Luckily I have backup copies on external drives.

As a result, I don't trust its malware detection/removal.

I've been using Eset Smart Security for years and prior to that Eset NOD32 AV without issue.

Back in my XP days it was the only one that wouldn't bring the system to a crawl. The XP machine is a very under powered system. I still have it and the latest Eset SS v9 runs fine on it. I don't let the old dog connect to the Internet any more. I'm seriously thinking about putting some flavor of Linux on it to get the feel of it. Just in case MS decides to put W7 on self destruct. While unlikely given the MS desperation to move everyone to W10 you never know.

On the other hand I have never used or had OpenSUSE on any of my systems. It's to bad you had that experience and I completely understand your position and reasons.

 

[Stevekir]

This campaign to try to force me onto Win 10 and to try to modify Win 7 to spy on me more than it already has been doing has done is to convince me that Win 7 and Office 2010 are going to be the last MSpy products I'll ever use. When non-computer literate friends ask me what computer they should buy, I now tell them to get a MAC.

Mac? That's blasphemy!!!! Lol

Once upon a time, not very long ago, I would have agreed. But, the average computer user isn't computer literate enough to know how to avoid the Win 10 and telemetry traps MSpy has been throwing at us for the past several months. While I detest Apple's walled garden, I do have to admit Macs are reliable and can be used without problems by anyone who doesn't need any special applications and specialized hardware.

I ditched Mac after 19 years for a new Windows machine last March. This was because, although the Op. Syst. was rock steady (not like my Windows 7 machine), it had serious interface problems, the main one being the cursor or pointer disappearing and requiring a re-start. This often happened up to 5 times a day!! Other interface glitches also. Apple's Genius Bar (you have to admire their self-confidence) failed three times to find the fault. This was sending me round the bend and so I switched. After scouring out the Mac according to Apple's strict instructions for re-sale I found the faults still there. (I managed to sell it with the glitches disclosed, at a lower price). Pity.

 

[groze]

Why would Eset delete an ISO? If you paid for Eset, they should figure out why it deleted the OpenSuse Image. The only thing I can think of is OpenSUSE 12 ISO is old. Running that version wouldn't really be secure today, unless you were able to update the kernel.

MSE, detects a few old tweaking programs for windows 98se & xp as virus or pups that I have on a usb drive. 98lite & some grc tools.

 

[Indianatone]

I use MSE on some of my systems with Avast on others. I also have paid for Pro Version of Malwarebytes and the little GEM Unchecky (mentioned earlier) by the same software writer that wrote 7 Taskbar Tweaker. Avast has never found a virus on the system and neither has MSE. If you scan a PC with the other virus program you can check for stuff that might slip by. Malwarebytes will warn if a website or download is bad and Avast will also block it.
As for Windows 7 being the most secure when released etc. They say this about their new OS every time they bring out another new one. It was obvious in the past with 95/98/ME but having been on the NT environment since 98 with NT4 which was probably wide open by today's standards it was XP when they had to start to take security very seriously. Obviously NT4, NT 5 (2000) NT 5.1 (XP) NT6 (Vista ) NT6.1 Seven NT6.2 & 3, 8 and 8.1. They all share a hell of a lot of common code so if you call Seven insecure you mean Vista and Eight too. I am also sure they have only re written the GUI code and fecked about with the control panel and introduced new sand boxed apps you cannot do anything with. I honestly believe my Windows 7 is as secure as a desktop operating system is. If you want to you can get a copy of Windows Server 2008R2 and if you set it up correctly and add some codecs you can turn it into a desktop with 99% of the functionality of Windows 7 and a heck of a more powerful OS as it was a server OS. That means they are also saying the server OS you paid a grand or two for is insecure. No this is desperation on M$ part. The uptake of Ten has slowed to a dribble as no one wants it except the fan boys who hang out at Ten forums and dis anyone who tells them they don't like Ten.
Like I said nothing to see here now move along please and enjoy your Windows 7.

 

[Indianatone]

Why would Eset delete an ISO? If you paid for Eset, they should figure out why it deleted the OpenSuse Image. The only thing I can think of is OpenSUSE 12 ISO is old. Running that version wouldn't really be secure today, unless you some how you were able to update the kernel.

MSE, detects a few old tweaking programs for windows 98se & xp as virus or pups that I have on a usb drive. 98lite & some grc tools.

I suspect it did not delete it but either prevented it being downloaded or executed. I have had that happen to me and I have had to use another machine with different AV or just turn it off for 5 mins.

 

[lehnerus2000]

Lack of HDD space?

Thats unfortunate but the overwhelming majority of professional malware techs around the web recommends it highly and after using it i can see why.

It regularly finds "malware" and "Pup's" that no other scanner picks up.

I suspect that my problem was a result of space constraints.
It tried to quarantine the items it didn't like and filled up my OS partition.

On the other hand I have never used or had OpenSUSE on any of my systems. It's to bad you had that experience and I completely understand your position and reasons.

I downloaded it to try out the Live version (some Linux users seem to like OpenSUSE) because I hate Ubuntu Unity.

Why would Eset delete an ISO?

Good question.

If you paid for Eset, they should figure out why it deleted the OpenSuse Image. The only thing I can think of is OpenSUSE 12 ISO is old. Running that version wouldn't really be secure today, unless you were able to update the kernel.

I was using the free scanner.

I have a lot of ISOs (Linux, Windows & others) that are older than OpenSUSE 12.

I'm a hoarder.
If I have gone to the trouble of downloading something (ISO, installer, etc.) I normally keep it for a very long time.

I suspect it did not delete it but either prevented it being downloaded or executed.

It definitely deleted it (i.e. the original folder was empty).
The ISO was present in my external backup, in its "original" folder.

The ISO appeared in the results list, but it could not be restored, unlike various other items (see above for my hypothesis).

 

[neru]

Did M$ say Win10 is their last OS or is someone pulling my leg with that one?
Also, you can bet they'll be trying like mad to get as many installs as possible over the coming months, but have they said anything yet about what will happen when the 'free for a year' offer ends?

 

[Painter]

Did M$ say Win10 is their last OS or is someone pulling my leg with that one?
Also, you can bet they'll be trying like mad to get as many installs as possible over the coming months, but have they said anything yet about what will happen when the 'free for a year' offer ends?

MS have officially announced that W10 will be their last OS. What ever happens after the free offer expires is pure speculation. Here is some of that speculation...

1. The OS will remain free (except for Enterprise licenses) after the end date and there will be a subscription fee for feature updates. Security updates will remain free.

2. MS will announce the free offer is over Aug 1, 2016 and you will have to buy it at full price if you want it.

3. MS will introduce incentive pricing. Whatever that means.

4. MS will allow you to trade in your W7 retail license for W10 - meaning the GOING BACK to W7 will not be allowed. The Product ID will be retired and considered no longer genuine.

Once again, all speculative. Right now a good number of W7 users consider MS as being overly aggressive with their GWX campaign. Whatever MS does, W7 users can count on an escalation in nagging.

 

[joedaman633]

Did M$ say Win10 is their last OS or is someone pulling my leg with that one?
Also, you can bet they'll be trying like mad to get as many installs as possible over the coming months, but have they said anything yet about what will happen when the 'free for a year' offer ends?

MS have officially announced that W10 will be their last OS. What ever happens after the free offer expires is pure speculation. Here is some of that speculation...

1. The OS will remain free (except for Enterprise licenses) after the end date and there will be a subscription fee for feature updates. Security updates will remain free.

2. MS will announce the free offer is over Aug 1, 2106 and you will have to buy it at full price if you want it.

3. MS will introduce incentive pricing. Whatever that means.

4. MS will allow you to trade in your W7 retail license for W10 - meaning the GOING BACK to W7 will not be allowed. The Product ID will be retired and considered no longer genuine.

Once again, all speculative. Right now a good number of W7 users consider MS as being overly aggressive with their GWX campaign. Whatever MS does, W7 users can count on an escalation in nagging.

Free offer is over in 2106?! Outrageous, should be later than that!

 

[Painter]

Did M$ say Win10 is their last OS or is someone pulling my leg with that one?
Also, you can bet they'll be trying like mad to get as many installs as possible over the coming months, but have they said anything yet about what will happen when the 'free for a year' offer ends?

MS have officially announced that W10 will be their last OS. What ever happens after the free offer expires is pure speculation. Here is some of that speculation...

1. The OS will remain free (except for Enterprise licenses) after the end date and there will be a subscription fee for feature updates. Security updates will remain free.

2. MS will announce the free offer is over Aug 1, 2106 and you will have to buy it at full price if you want it.

3. MS will introduce incentive pricing. Whatever that means.

4. MS will allow you to trade in your W7 retail license for W10 - meaning the GOING BACK to W7 will not be allowed. The Product ID will be retired and considered no longer genuine.

Once again, all speculative. Right now a good number of W7 users consider MS as being overly aggressive with their GWX campaign. Whatever MS does, W7 users can count on an escalation in nagging.

Free offer is over in 2106?! Outrageous, should be later than that!

Ooooops typo !!! Love your sense of humor. I meant 2016. Just edited the original..

 

[groze]

Did M$ say Win10 is their last OS or is someone pulling my leg with that one?
Also, you can bet they'll be trying like mad to get as many installs as possible over the coming months, but have they said anything yet about what will happen when the 'free for a year' offer ends?

MS have officially announced that W10 will be their last OS. What ever happens after the free offer expires is pure speculation. Here is some of that speculation...

1. The OS will remain free (except for Enterprise licenses) after the end date and there will be a subscription fee for feature updates. Security updates will remain free.

2. MS will announce the free offer is over Aug 1, 2016 and you will have to buy it at full price if you want it.

3. MS will introduce incentive pricing. Whatever that means.

4. MS will allow you to trade in your W7 retail license for W10 - meaning the GOING BACK to W7 will not be allowed. The Product ID will be retired and considered no longer genuine.

Once again, all speculative. Right now a good number of W7 users consider MS as being overly aggressive with their GWX campaign. Whatever MS does, W7 users can count on an escalation in nagging.

I know you are kidding. In the U.S. you can eliminate 1,2,3 because of U.S. Laws & regulations. However, number 4 may be allowed. FTC would get on Microsoft's case the reason is a law or a regulation called bait & switch. I am not a lawyer & this is just my opinion.

 

[Painter]

I just listed what the speculation is. I do not see why 1,2,3 is bait and switch and 4 is not. I would think #4 is the most troubling. If your Government thinks #2 is bait and switch, I am confused. Isn't #2 the current MS position?

 

[groze]

He is how I understand Bait & switch but I could be total wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch

Reading that is why I believe Microsoft could never charge a subscription base for windows 10. They can do a subscription for windows 11 or windows 365. Windows 10 has to be support until the end of the life-cycle and can never become subscription based. That is another reason Microsoft has to keep supporting windows vista, 7, 8.1 tell the end of their life-cycle. What they done & how they worded things is legal for windows 10.

 

[Painter]

There is no 'end of cycle' for W10. That is what makes it different from W7. Also the upgrade is tied to the device it is installed on, so once that device is dead, you can not move that W10 to a new device - you have to buy a license (as per the W10 EULA). As far as a subscription fee is concerned, MS raised it themselves as part of Windows as a Service, however they have yet to expand on it. I can not see how the law could prevent them from implementing an annual subscription fee for 'services' by that law. Services are separate from product. We will just have to wait and see what 'services' MS is going to deem fee based.

 

[groze]

There is no 'end of cycle' for W10. That is what makes it different from W7. Also the upgrade is tied to the device it is installed on, so once that device is dead, you can not move that W10 to a new device - you have to buy a license (as per the W10 EULA). As far as a subscription fee is concerned, MS raised it themselves as part of Windows as a Service, however they have yet to expand on it. I can not see how the law could prevent them from implementing an annual subscription fee for 'services' by that law. Services are separate from product. We will just have to wait and see what 'services' MS is going to deem fee based.

I still don't see how Microsoft could legally start a subscription fee for the operating system and still call it windows 10.

That first part of your comment is still under debate, people are still waiting on clarification of upgrading a retail version of 7 or 8.1 to windows 10 is transferable or not.

 

[Layback Bear]

I'm thing the real Microsoft Shell Game will start when the free B/S is over.

Microsoft will have to adjust W-10 to the market place or it just won't sell in the volume that is needed.

People get a lot picker when they have to pay for something.

 

[scr]

I'm thing the real Microsoft Shell Game will start when the free B/S is over.

Microsoft will have to adjust W-10 to the market place or it just won't sell in the volume that is needed.

People get a lot picker when they have to pay for something.

You can safely bet that MS has something already figured out and planned as to how they are going to make money on W10.

Disclaimer .. the following represents speculation on my part. As such it is an opinion.

It would seem to involve and require a mass amount of people to be on W10 quickly for it to work, whatever it is, hence the "give away" hard push and the pulling out of all the stops to reach the number of W10 users they need for the next step which is profitability. As the numbers lag the greater and harder the push. We are going in to a period of make or break for MS. I don't think the "give away" has had the results they were hoping for or need. MS is now making adjustments to alleviate this problem.

Once this number is attained the real motive will be reveled. They are being vague and coy about the future. This in and of itself is worrisome to me. No Corporation goes in to this type of campaign without every detail worked out well in advance, especially one the size of MS. In MS's case well in advance of the first line of code for W10 ever being written.

I do believe there is an unpleasant surprise at the end of this story.

 

[OvenMaster]

I'm thing the real Microsoft Shell Game will start when the free B/S is over.

Microsoft will have to adjust W-10 to the market place or it just won't sell in the volume that is needed.

People get a lot picker when they have to pay for something.

You can safely bet that MS has something already figured out and planned as to how they are going to make money on W10.

Disclaimer .. the following represents speculation on my part. As such it is an opinion.

It would seem to involve and require a mass amount of people to be on W10 quickly for it to work, whatever it is, hence the "give away" hard push and the pulling out of all the stops to reach the number of W10 users they need for the next step which is profitability. As the numbers lag the greater and harder the push. We are going in to a period of make or break for MS. I don't think the "give away" has had the results they were hoping for or need. MS is now making adjustments to alleviate this problem.

Once this number is attained the real motive will be reveled. They are being vague and coy about the future. This in and of itself is worrisome to me. No Corporation goes in to this type of campaign without every detail worked out well in advance, especially one the size of MS. In MS's case well in advance of the first line of code for W10 ever being written.

I do believe there is an unpleasant surprise at the end of this story.

They released Windows 8, didn't they?