More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Frankly, I had much better things to do with my $39.95.

 

[SIW2]

Jimbo

Of course on a Windows 7 Forum why should people have any liking whatsoever for W8

I hope you were being ironic.

That is exactly what MS should be doing. They should leverage their dominance in the desktop arena, and their enormous asset - the 1.3bn user base they already have.

In a sense they are doing just that. But they are trying to do it by force and a process of attrition - just wearing down the resistance.

Very peculiar way to go about it.

I have been watching the wacky world of W8 unfold with a mixture of astonishment and hilarity.

They have thrown away the book. It is hard to think of a single thing they have done right.

They might still get away with it. They might be able to get what they want by force and stealth.

They can afford to patch and stitch things together afterwards.

They can forcefully leverage the user base - there is no competition in the desktop arena - those who need to buy some sort of laptop will have to buy something with w8 on it. ( The very few who can spend at least $1400 UK prices might be able get a macbook ). Everybody else gets windows. Period.That is estimated to be over 300m every 12mths.

 

[Layback Bear]

I have no idea who is calling the shots at Microsoft but they have less brain cell than I do. I only got 3. You do not have to throw the baby out with the bath water. I understand the new market they want a major share of it. You don't have to treat Windows 7 owners like something the cat drug in. There is over a billion of us that could and many would update to windows 8 if there were reasonable option included in the Windows 8 system. I do not want to have to run around the world on the net looking for 3rd party programs to add to Windows 8 for it to be useable to most desktop owners and many laptop owners too. Their should be options built in Windows 8 for the choosing. I get tired of hearing that people are just old and set in their ways and don't want to change. I'm up in my years and have through the years stepped up to new operating system with no problems after a learning curve that really don't take that long things went well. I don't want a new operating system just because it is new. I want it because it is new and better. Maybe a Windows 7-SE edition like 98-SE. If enough changes to better Windows 7 were in the SE edition I would pay for a SE download. Everybody knows that want to know Microsoft owns the operating system market. They are basically competing against their self. Windows 7 against Windows 8; WHY. They can have both markets.

 

[Iforgot]

If enough changes to better Windows 7 were in the SE edition I would pay for a SE download. Everybody knows that want to know Microsoft owns the operating system market. They are basically competing against their self. Windows 7 against Windows 8; WHY. They can have both markets.

So who does M$ have to compete against?
If you don't like Win8, big deal!! It won't bother M$... why should it? You'll just get Win7..
Meanwhile M$ will push Win8 to their other possible market.. new users/Tablet/Smartphones and to annoy Apple.
M$ is a monopoly....
They can do what they like, they still have Win7 for the desktop user.
Win8 will push for another market similar to Apple, Think of it... M$ with it's user database and M$ version of Apple's store and locked down products..

Just something to think about.

 

[Layback Bear]

Easy Iforgot. Lets play well together. As I posted; when it comes to desktop and quality lap tops Microsoft has no competition. Also as I posted they want a big bite of the other markets. Toys,phone,tablets, ect.
I think 99% of us know that. It is getting very hard to buy a desktop or quality laptop with Windows 7 installed. I don't think it should be that way. Like I have posted many times before Microsoft wants a big bite out of Apples apple. When I don't buy Windows 8 it is no big deal. When a billion disktop owners don't buy Windows 8 it is a big deal.
Have a nice day Iforgot.

 

[Iforgot]

Layback Bear

Sorry
That wasn't specifically directed at you, not a well organized post.

I do agree with what you're saying and "just something to think about" was a generalization meant for all people.

 

[Dave76]

Its a new OS so of course there are going to be those that like and those that hate. Remember the hullabaloo trying to get rid of XP when they brought new ones out and it's still going for some.

It looks like its going to be the same now with 7.

I like it, in fact I'm using it now, I have a group of tiles that relate to my most used forums and just a click takes me straight in already logged in ready to go.

OK still finding things out but there are lots of things quicker than 7 and I like how quick it boots.

You're never going to get everyone to agree about it, but that would be boring if they did. Just use what makes you happy and what works for you.

Very well stated Joan, I agree completely, use what you like.


For any reason someone doesn't like it, which is an individual choice, it's good enough. Repeatedly bashing it just makes them look ... antagonistic.
Let's let everyone make their own choice.

Just because someone has a learning curve with a new OS doesn't make it bad, every new OS I have ever used has a learning curve.

 

[RoasterMen]

I have tried Windows 8 and downgraded back to Windows 7 because of the Metro Start Screen, it's really confusing finding the files that you need. And it's also annoying because Windows 8 is not much for desktop computers, it's only for laptops and smart phones.

 

[SIW2]

Thing is Dave, it is not really about how usable metro is or not. It's not about a learning curve.

It is about what w8 is for and the effect it may have.

W8 is trying to lead people online for everything.

That is why they keep shoving the start screen at you and exhorting you to get an MS account.

The aim is to get people into a subscription based service - with control of all you can run being handled by MS. There are all kinds of unpleasant results , cost, control, privacy for example.

They don't put that in the commercials - the user is not supposed to notice. They are supposed to get sucked in gradually.

It might be good for MS . It is very bad for everyone else.

Its a new OS so of course there are going to be those that like and those that hate. Remember the hullabaloo trying to get rid of XP when they brought new ones out and it's still going for some.

It looks like its going to be the same now with 7.

I like it, in fact I'm using it now, I have a group of tiles that relate to my most used forums and just a click takes me straight in already logged in ready to go.

OK still finding things out but there are lots of things quicker than 7 and I like how quick it boots.

You're never going to get everyone to agree about it, but that would be boring if they did. Just use what makes you happy and what works for you.

Very well stated Joan, I agree completely, use what you like.


For any reason someone doesn't like it, which is an individual choice, it's good enough. Repeatedly bashing it just makes them look ... antagonistic.
Let's let everyone make their own choice.

Just because someone has a learning curve with a new OS doesn't make it bad, every new OS I have ever used has a learning curve.

 

[HammerHead]

You Have Hit The Nail On The Head

SIW2, No pun intendened. That push toward the cloud has been my main dislike. (there are others)

 

[Dave76]

I understand the point you are making, as well as many other points that are being made.
MS is not the only company doing this, they are late to the 'game' as usual, others like apple, google and more have been doing this for a while.
I didn't like Internet email when it first came out, but use it now.

There are 'some' aspects of the so called cloud services that are very convenient, syncing my MS accounts so they are the same on my different systems is a time saver.
There are a lot of things I don't like about the direction this is headed, and agree that many will fall into it unknowingly, hope it doesn't go too far.

If this trend goes too far, I will jump ship.
Defining 'too far' will be different for everyone.

Like I have mentioned before, everyone should run the OS they like.
I remember when Win7 came out, some people would come here to bash it, most members liked it and tried to help them understand it, but some wouldn't take the time and effort. Some went back to XP or Vista, if that's what they want then it's good for them.

Thing is Dave, it is not really about how usable metro is or not. It's not about a learning curve.

It is about what w8 is for and the effect it may have.

W8 is trying to lead people online for everything.

That is why they keep shoving the start screen at you and exhorting you to get an MS account.

The aim is to get people into a subscription based service - with control of all you can run being handled by MS. There are all kinds of unpleasant results , cost, control, privacy for example.

They don't put that in the commercials - the user is not supposed to notice. They are supposed to get sucked in gradually.

It might be good for MS . It is very bad for everyone else.

Its a new OS so of course there are going to be those that like and those that hate. Remember the hullabaloo trying to get rid of XP when they brought new ones out and it's still going for some.

It looks like its going to be the same now with 7.

I like it, in fact I'm using it now, I have a group of tiles that relate to my most used forums and just a click takes me straight in already logged in ready to go.

OK still finding things out but there are lots of things quicker than 7 and I like how quick it boots.

You're never going to get everyone to agree about it, but that would be boring if they did. Just use what makes you happy and what works for you.

Very well stated Joan, I agree completely, use what you like.


For any reason someone doesn't like it, which is an individual choice, it's good enough. Repeatedly bashing it just makes them look ... antagonistic.
Let's let everyone make their own choice.

Just because someone has a learning curve with a new OS doesn't make it bad, every new OS I have ever used has a learning curve.

 

[SIW2]

Dave,

I am also not keen on all the surveillance.

Sending back details of the software you download and install is not on.

As far as I know, it goes to MS and a brand protection agency. We have yet to get to the bottom of whatever else is going on - without your knowledge.

 

[Dave76]

There are things going on that we, the users, need to know about, hopefully someone will find a way to confirm them and when exposed give us a way to keep our privacy.
Agree that this is a serious concern.

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there

This feature that Ms seems to be pushing more and more will effect W7 users too.
Ms seems to be going towards a "Subscription Base" for its products -- like Office 365.

If you look at Office 2013 -- It's now PERMANENTLY LICENSED to a SINGLE machine -- which means you CANNOT move it to a new machine if you get a new computer.

Office 2010 allows you to do this -- and IMO so should ALL APPLICATION software. - Otherwise it's going backwards back to the bad old DRM days --you have a load of music say on an Ipod --you want a new one -- but you can't copy / move your music to the new device. That business model has been totally discredited and just encouraged piracy big time.

Application software can easily outlive an OS or even the original machine it's installed on so it should be moveable.

(I'm just going on the wording of the licenses of office 2010 and 2013 where the 2013 version specifically mentions PERMANENTLY. As written this means you CAN'T move / transfer Office 2013 to a new machine --Ms hasn't actually confirmed this yet but an answer is expected any time soon).

Hopefully someone experienced in Ms Licensing can confirm or refute the above --please --will be grateful for a definitive answer.

Subscription models are the way Ms is relentlessly pushing us -- but I won't be going down that route.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[marsmimar]

Maybe this will prompt OpenOffice, LibreOffice, et al to be even more compatible with MS Office products. And maybe greater compatibility will lead to greater acceptance by individuals and corporations. Just saying . . .

 

[lehnerus2000]

Unfortunately

If you look at Office 2013 -- It's now PERMANENTLY LICENSED to a SINGLE machine -- which means you CANNOT move it to a new machine if you get a new computer.

Office 2010 allows you to do this -- and IMO so should ALL APPLICATION software. - Otherwise it's going backwards back to the bad old DRM days --you have a load of music say on an Ipod --you want a new one -- but you can't copy / move your music to the new device. That business model has been totally discredited and just encouraged piracy big time.

In fact, Pirates and Hackers will see this as a challenge to be overcome.
It will provide them with even more incentive to "stick it to the man".

Subscription models are the way Ms is relentlessly pushing us -- but I won't be going down that route.

Unfortunately, you and I (and the other esteemed members of this forum) won't be able to hold back the tide of moronic consumers.

"There's a sucker born every minute." (This phrase is often credited to P.T. Barnum, the actual authorship is unclear).

 

[zephychan]

If you look at Office 2013 -- It's now PERMANENTLY LICENSED to a SINGLE machine -- which means you CANNOT move it to a new machine if you get a new computer.

Office 2010 allows you to do this -- and IMO so should ALL APPLICATION software. - Otherwise it's going backwards back to the bad old DRM days --you have a load of music say on an Ipod --you want a new one -- but you can't copy / move your music to the new device. That business model has been totally discredited and just encouraged piracy big time.

I agree. It'd be quite troublesome when one gets a new PC.

For me, the metro tiles just don't suit my taste - It's too touch screen oriented (Imagine if you have to scroll right, not scroll down. funny, that feels weird! ). I've tried on a 13 inch notebook using Win8, and it's not comfortable for me lol. But then, it's up to the user choice - as of now, I'm using Windows 8 3rd party theme. Win8 wins me for its simplicity of UI.

 

[smarteyeball]

I don't mind 8 at all - in fact I don't even have Seven on my sig rig any more.

97% of the time I have nothing to do with Metro. It's just another fancy shortcut screen to me. The lack of Aero I'm over. However the explorer improvements/dialog boxes + other stuff make up for it.

Most of the time it feels like I'm in a skinned and tweaked Seven anyway. The OS itself is fine. It's certainly not perfect and there are a few concerning 'issues', but it's not shit.


The direction MS is heading however, is. Bill needs to come out of retirement.

 

[Solarstarshines]

Thing is Dave, it is not really about how usable metro is or not. It's not about a learning curve.

It is about what w8 is for and the effect it may have.

W8 is trying to lead people online for everything.

That is why they keep shoving the start screen at you and exhorting you to get an MS account.

The aim is to get people into a subscription based service - with control of all you can run being handled by MS. There are all kinds of unpleasant results , cost, control, privacy for example.

They don't put that in the commercials - the user is not supposed to notice. They are supposed to get sucked in gradually.

It might be good for MS . It is very bad for everyone else.

Its a new OS so of course there are going to be those that like and those that hate. Remember the hullabaloo trying to get rid of XP when they brought new ones out and it's still going for some.

It looks like its going to be the same now with 7.

I like it, in fact I'm using it now, I have a group of tiles that relate to my most used forums and just a click takes me straight in already logged in ready to go.

OK still finding things out but there are lots of things quicker than 7 and I like how quick it boots.

You're never going to get everyone to agree about it, but that would be boring if they did. Just use what makes you happy and what works for you.

Very well stated Joan, I agree completely, use what you like.


For any reason someone doesn't like it, which is an individual choice, it's good enough. Repeatedly bashing it just makes them look ... antagonistic.
Let's let everyone make their own choice.

Just because someone has a learning curve with a new OS doesn't make it bad, every new OS I have ever used has a learning curve.

Good point Google has me tied to all my devices and any device that has my account on it will send it to everything and if it is something for private eyes only google has pretty much taken that away good observation

 

[SIW2]

@Marsimar,

It might.

Maybe this will prompt OpenOffice, LibreOffice, et al to be even more compatible with MS Office products. And maybe greater compatibility will lead to greater acceptance by individuals and corporations. Just saying . . .

@ Jimbo,

Yes that is the way they are trying to lead us.

There might be a few situations where some will be better off renting software- they will be held up as examples of how wonderful it is.

Clearly MS is doing this for their own benefit. Therefore overall - it will be more expensive and less flexible for most people.

I agree with you.

Avoid it like the plague.