MS Bringing Back Start Menu (again), Making Windows Free

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With its Windows 8.1 Update, announced today, is looking in the rearview mirror—and putting the car in reverse. But for all the people who have wanted Windows 8 to work more like Windows 7, that’s the right direction.
On April 8—coincidentally the same day that Microsoft cuts off Windows XP support—a free Windows 8.1 Update will bring mouse and keyboard users some much needed relief with some small but useful system tweaks.
“Our goal is to bring back the familiar,” Chaitanya Sareen, Microsoft Principal Program Manager Lead on Windows, told me as he demonstrated some of the new features last week.
There are three that I think will significantly aid people making the transition from a traditional version of Windows, including XP or 7, to Microsoft’s now slightly-less-brave new world.
1. Automatically go to the desktop after booting or unlocking. If you are using a laptop or a desktop PC, Windows 8.1 will now automatically boot to the traditional desktop. No more grid of colorful tiles when you first boot or wake up the machine. Computer makers will control the out-of-the-box experience, but most non-touch PCs will boot straight to the desktop. If your machine doesn’t at first, you can always set it to do so.
Note: For now, when you hit the Start button, you’ll be taken to the Start screen, but Microsoft promised that it would soon release a classic-style Start menu. This—combined with booting into the desktop—could be the final nail in the Modern interface’s coffin.
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2. A taskbar revival. The taskbar along the bottom of the classic desktop will now be more useful—you can pin all types of apps, including new Windows apps from the Windows Store, and even a shortcut to the Windows Store itself. You’ll also be able to use the taskbar to switch between apps. Push the cursor down to the bottom of the screen in an app and the taskbar will appear.
3. “Close” and “Minimize” buttons within apps. Welcome back the close (X) and minimize (–) icons in the upper right corner of all apps! Instead of having to figure out that you can drag the app to the bottom of the screen to close it, mouse and keyboard users will see the standard Windows tile bar along the top of all apps.
There are other small tweaks, too, like the ability to search and shutdown right from the Start Screen—no need to access the side charms or other menus. You can also right click on tiles on the Start Screen to move them around and make other tweaks. And, while not a mouse or keyboard trick, Microsoft has finally put an arrow along the bottom of the Start Screen to indicate that if you swipe up you can get to the All Apps menu. Like I said, small but useful tricks for the traditionalists.
Windows 8.1 Update: Microsoft Hits Reverse, Adds Windows 7 Features - Personal Tech News - WSJ
 
God only know why MS thought eliminating familiar OS/GUI controls (Start menu, Close buttons, etc.) would endear anyone to to W8.
I guess they thought that everyone would just "drink the Kool-Aid".
 

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Sounds like they are backing up to W7. So what will be different from W7 and W8.1 now?

Also, If we have classic shell installed on our W8.1, what effect will the new download have on that? Will the updated 8.1 be better than the classic shell add on a lot of us are using now?

Thanks,
Bill
 

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I have been asking this question for a while.

What will Windows 8 or 8xxx do for me that Windows 7 doesn't already do?
A couple seconds on boot time isn't enough. It takes that long to pass gas.

I'm very curious what Windows 9 will be like.
 

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Will the updated 8.1 be better than the classic shell add on a lot of us are using now?

No. Unless you are one of the very very few who open the "apps". They have close buttons.

There is no start menu in the update.
 

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Well, if this is true, MS is going back to their senses, which is a relief.

Now kill all that app nonsense and we are back to real business...
 

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They are finally getting smart - but in homeopathical doses.
 

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Sounds like they are backing up to W7. So what will be different from W7 and W8.1 now?

There are still lots of things missing.

Task Manager is still broken. Looks like they don't intend to fix that one
Aero [glass] is gone, and it doesn't appear it will ever come back
Explorer has been gutted (again) and renamed file explorer

Windows 8.x still maintains the kindergarten-crayola look.

For a bigger (but by no means complete), list have a look here... List of features removed in Windows 8 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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One might want to remember; if we feed Microsoft's corporate brain to fast with customers desires and needs it overwhelms their corporate brain.
This in turn effects the corporate digestive system and it starts putting out bad dung. Windows 8.
The only medication for this is (poor sales). Once they take enough poor sales pills the cure will come.
 

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Is this latest Update which was only promised yesterday already out in beta? Where?
 
Aero is a deal breaker for me. I upgraded to Windows 7 for Aero (and many other improvements) upgraded my hardware multiple times so I could run Aero fast and clean with a powerful machine. I also like the classic Windows 2000 look but do not like the one dimensional look of 8. Square corners and horrible colours. Windows 7 looks nice even in basic non Aero mode. With Aero Windows 7 looks very nice and if we are running a mains powered desktop why is it not an option? Yes I understand on a lower powered tablet it eats battery power and graphics CPU cycles but this is why I paid for a graphics card.
 

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Abandoning Aero is one of the things that convinces me MS as a company never realized what they have in Windows 7. It is a workhorse which is also elegant - and with the 120 National Edition's Backgrounds collection slideshow I put on all of my installs, actually breathtaking. That this is the hands-down favorite feature on hundreds of installs I've done tells me that it's beauty is a foremost Win7 feature. And Windows 8 is just as startlingly ugly.

120 Original Windows 7 High Resolution Scenery Regional Wallpapers Free Download « My Digital Life
 
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Abandoning Aero is one of the things that convinces me MS as a company never realized what they have in Windows 7. It is elegant, and with the 120 National Edition's Backgrounds collection slideshow I put on all of my installs actually breathtaking. That this is the hands-down favorite feature on hundreds of installs I've done tells me that it's beauty is a foremost Win7 feature. And Windows 8 is just as startingly ugly.

120 Original Windows 7 High Resolution Scenery Regional Wallpapers Free Download » My Digital Life

Hey Greg I'd like to see those but clicking on your link above gives me a page not found and I don't see the files.

Capture.JPG

Thanks.
 

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I don't mean to be "that guy" but what about the people that started using computers with Windows 8? Now they're just going back when it's unsensable to do so.
 

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Thanks, guys. I corrected my link. It's one of my oldest bookmarks so I should test those more often.

Derek how does that date factor in to a link's functionality? Just asking.

I don't mean to be "that guy" but what about the people that started using computers with Windows 8? Now they're just going back when it's unsensable to do so.

Windows 7 is a qualitative Upgrade from Windows 8. So it's not going back in any real way except against a tide MS alone thought was the future. 8's cobbed (badly) off of Ipad which is a social media interface more than a production one like the Windows Desktop which was perfected in Win7. So Win7 is vastly preferable for those who want to do work efficiently, which is why the business world is ignoring completely Windows 8.
 

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Thanks, guys. I corrected my link. It's one of my oldest bookmarks so I should test those more often.

Derek how does that date factor in to a link's functionality? Just asking.

I'm not really sure Greg, I was just looking for what was different in the two links. They probably just updated it.
 

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