NEW CASE + Water cooling system

[r5r4y]

Hello...

Some weaks ago I've opened a thread about my games crashing, the result was that my PSU was broken and my CPU and GPU temperature are heating too fast: http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-debugging/103813-games-crashing-black-screen.html

Also my case is too small there is no room for air circulation, I've been thinking on buying a a new case, PSU and a water cooling system.

I want you to verify some things for me and give some recommendations...

If I understand correctly water cooling system can cool multiple components and just my CPU, Can it cool the PSU? Graphic card?

Anti-corrosion Coolant, Is this something I need to do one time only? or change frequency?

Hmm... This is my specs:
AMD Phenom 9950 x4 Black edition Socket AM2+
MSI K9A2 CF - MSI Global – Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more

Please help, I'm tired of heating problems.
Thanks for the help.

 

[Lordbob75]

It can cool CPU, GPU, northbride, and southbridge. Some can even do harddrives. Never heard of a PSU one.

Also, don't bother with anti-corrosive, you want non conductive and bacteria killing.

~Lordbob

 

[r5r4y]

Wait. But don't I need it for the water cooling it self? isn't it some kind of liquid?

Any good recommendation for water cooling system? Case? PSU?

 

[smarteyeball]

It depends on your budget.

The best water cooling kits are those where you select individual components instead of buying a 'complete kit' - but this can be a lot more expensive. Low end water cooling kits can be less effective than air cooling.

A simpler and cheaper alternative would be a good high airflow case case with a good air cooler.

Cases - Coolermaster HAF 922, 932/HAF X, CM690II Advanced, Antec 902, Lian Li Lancool K60/K62, Corsair 600T,700D,800D etc

Without knowing what GPU you have, it's hard to recommend a PSU.

But just a few of the better brands are Corsair/Seasonic/Antec/Silverstone/Enermax etc

 

[r5r4y]

It depends on your budget.

The best water cooling kits are those where you select individual components instead of buying a 'complete kit' - but this can be a lot more expensive. Low end water cooling kits can be less effective than air cooling.

A simpler and cheaper alternative would be a good high airflow case case with a good air cooler.

Cases - Coolermaster HAF 922, 932/HAF X, CM690II Advanced, Antec 902, Lian Li Lancool K60/K62, Corsair 600T,700D,800D etc

Without knowing what GPU you have, it's hard to recommend a PSU.

But just a few of the better brands are Corsair/Seasonic/Antec/Silverstone/Enermax etc

My GPU is GIGABYTE HD4890 1GB and my PSU right now is ASPIRE 550W, And it already faild me 3 times over the past 2 years.

I've brought a good air cooling when I purchase this computer, I was very disappointed with it But I'm still open to new suggestions.

I've thought on Coolermaster HAF 922 too... Isn't there a different version for AMD processors?

I still want a water cooling system, my budget is 1500 ILS which is something like 400 USD. But I can exceed that if the system is proved to be good.

 

[Lordbob75]

Wait. But don't I need it for the water cooling it self? isn't it some kind of liquid?

Any good recommendation for water cooling system? Case? PSU?

I mean that you should use a non conductive liquid in the water cooling. Mineral oil is non conductive (you can run your computer IN it), but won't work (too thick) in this case.

You can buy special "water" for water cooling that is non conductive, prevents bacterial growth, and is non corrosive.

Distilled water will work as well (cheaper).

~Lordbob

 

[Solarstarshines]

@LordBob isn't water cooling a lot of hard work and keeping up with changing the water and making sure leaks aren't presenT

I figure it is like any other device or tool that can possibly cause alot of damaged if defective I would be worried about leaky hoses and water spilling inside the case

I know it has been tested many times but I feel that is kinda dangerous pro or not

I would like to know your stand on that LordBob cause you yourself have came through with some spectacular views on what should and shouldn't be

Thanks for the reply and knowledge on the subject because this is foriegn to me

 

[sygnus21]

and my PSU right now is ASPIRE 550W, And it already faild me 3 times over the past 2 years.

You might want to look into a quality power supply

Info on power supplies …

- Recommended Power Supplies | silentpcreview.com
- Everything You Need to Know About Power Supplies | Hardware Secrets
- How to Buy a Power Supply - wikiHow

I'd fix that before even thinking about water cooling anything.

As for water cooling, I hate to say it, but some of the questions you're asking, says you need to read up on it. Example - you can't/don't need to water cool a power supply.

- Guide To WaterCooling and Leak Testing - ALL New WaterCooler's Read Before Posting! - XtremeSystems Forums
- Liquid Cooling Basics : A Beginner's Guide For WaterCooling Your PC
- Water Cooling Basics

Again, fix your power supply first!!!

Good luck.

 

[r5r4y]

and my PSU right now is ASPIRE
550W, And it already faild me 3 times over the past 2 years.

You might want to look into a quality power supply

Yeah, I've fixed it 3 times over the years but I think what causing it to fail is only the heating problem In my case... where there is almost no room for air circulation.

But I'm still going to replace it and didn't heard of good recommendation yet...

Anyway... As I said... I think I'm going to bring Coolermaster HAF 922, Is it even AMD compatible?

I saw HAF 922 has a room for a lot of fans, And would like now to hear some good air cooling system, for the CPU and the case itself. And what fans should flow air in and what should flow it out.

 

[sygnus21]

and my PSU right now is ASPIRE
550W, And it already faild me 3 times over the past 2 years.

You might want to look into a quality power supply

Yeah, I've fixed it 3 times over the years but I think what causing it to fail is only the heating problem In my case... where there is almost no room for air circulation.

But I'm still going to replace it and didn't heard of good recommendation yet...

That's what those links (Info on power supplies …) were for

Anyways Antec & Corsair are but just two of the most popular power suplies around. A good 650 - 700 watt PS should do you just fine. You shouldn't need anything over 850watts at the most.

Anyway... As I said... I think I'm going to bring Coolermaster HAF 922, Is it even AMD compatible?

It's just a PC case, so yes, it's compatible.

Good luck.

 

[r5r4y]

Yeah, I was just confused cause when googled I saw 2 version of it... And different one for AMD.

About PSU, I was thinking about Seasonic S12II 620W, What do you think?

Still looking for good CPU Air cooling, not just a simple fan...
and good case fans.

Also should I let the upper fans flow the air out or in?

 

[sygnus21]

Seasonic is a good company with a good rep for power supplies. As to what I think???? You should Google the part for reviews. Again, that's why I provided the links.

As for PC cases, most modern cases with fans are already configured to draw the air out of the top so there's really no need to reconfigure them other than maybe adding the optional fans some tell you about.

What it all comes down to is dollars and research - i.e. reading reviews and deciding if you want to pay the asking price for said item.

I can provide suggestions, but you have to do the research. Perhaps you could provide a list of potential items and the members here may comment on them?

My two cents.

 

[Lordbob75]

@LordBob isn't water cooling a lot of hard work and keeping up with changing the water and making sure leaks aren't presenT

I figure it is like any other device or tool that can possibly cause alot of damaged if defective I would be worried about leaky hoses and water spilling inside the case

I know it has been tested many times but I feel that is kinda dangerous pro or not

I would like to know your stand on that LordBob cause you yourself have came through with some spectacular views on what should and shouldn't be

Thanks for the reply and knowledge on the subject because this is foriegn to me

Thus my statement about using a non-conductive liquid...

~Lordbob

 

[smarteyeball]

Yeah, I was just confused cause when googled I saw 2 version of it... And different one for AMD.

The only difference between the standard and AMD version is aesthetics.

About PSU, I was thinking about Seasonic S12II 620W, What do you think?

Good quality. (Seasonic build most of the Corsair PSU's too. )

Still looking for good CPU Air cooling, not just a simple fan...

FrostyTech - Best Heat Sinks & PC Cooling Reviews

Also should I let the upper fans flow the air out or in?

Out.

As for case fans themselves, I don't have any recommendations as they are one component I haven't bothered keeping up to date with.

This should give you a starting point.

Review - What's the best 120mm case fan? | bit-tech.net

I just skimmed through your other thread and between a decent PSU and a new case, I think you'll find your problems will disappear.


If you are still hell bent on watercooling though, I'd opt for a full tower (like the HAF 932/X) instead of a mid tower.

By the time you add a pump, reservoir, radiator, Tubing (the complete watercooling setup basically) that 922 is going to feel awfully cramped.

 

[r5r4y]

Thanks, all those posts been very helpful, I think I'll go and read some reviews now.

Also sorry about all my noob questions.

 

[smarteyeball]

No need to apologise mate

There are plenty of us here who have both first hand and theoretical knowledge. The common factor is that none of us knew everything (or know everything) and have had to start from scratch.

 

[linnemeyerhere]

r5r4y,
May I just add that by coming back here to this forum often and looking around and asking questions as you have you will close the gap quickly and learn a ton. The advice here is consistently good and if someone offers less than ideal advice they will get politely called out, just as it should be done.
Good luck to you and a cool case is a happy case. Start there and with a good PSU and then see where you stand and I would advise going high end air or sealed water cooling but that's just me.
Cheers,
The Cheese

 

[MK2]

Hi,

There is already been given a lot of good advice here, but here's what I know.

If you are looking for a case with great air flow, the HAF (stands for High Air Flow) from coolermaster is a great choice. Especially the HAF-X it's the newest case of the HAF line and has the things that were missing from the other HAF cases like air filters, usb 3 and better cable and air routing options. Cable routing is also very inportant for good airflow. I myself have the Corsair 800D, it's great for watercooling but for only aircooling it misses a bit of air intake.

If you want to go with watercooling, the best thing (as mentioned) is to go with parts you selected yourself. A fully watercooled system can be pricy though, and you have to read up on it alot to make the right choices. Here's a great site about watercooling: Skinnee Labs | Home As for maintenance and leaks, if you leak test for 24 hours after you build the system and there are no leaks the chances you get one after that are pritty slim. If you use distilled water without additives and colors that can clog the system and a kill coil against algea it is quit maintenance free. I have a watercooled sytem and the only thing I did in a year was to top off the distilled water.

If you want to have better air cooling for you're CPU two of the best coolers at the moment are the Prolimatech Megahalems or the Noctua NH-D14. Another options is to go for a pre-sealed watercooling like the Corsair H50/H70 or Coolit Eco/Domino.

For a better PSU (as mentioned) Seasonic and Corsair are good choices, also a good choice is a modular PSU like the HX/AX series of Corsair. You only use the cables you need and less cables in the case is better airflow. Here's a site that can calculate roughly the PSU wattage you need for your system: Enermax Power Supply Calculator

If you look at fans for your case (a good airflow case like HAF-X will have enough of them already) the general rule is the higher the RPM the higher the flow but at high speeds they can become very noise so you have to look for the balance between how much air they will shift and the noise (DB) they make.

Also if you look at a case and the airflow it has or you want to create, its best to have a little bit more air going in then out of the case so you create an over pressure in the case and there is not much dust sucked into the case what is bad for cooling also.
And always use dust filters for intake fans.

Hope this helpes a bit and good luck with your choices!

MK2