New concern re 10

[ICIT2LOL]

I have just read this and in point 1 there is some concern in my mind as to how many 7 (& 8) users know this is going to happen if it true and from the reply I got from a member in the 10 forum is anything to go by it seems it might be.
Windows 10: Ten big things to watch for in 2016 - TechRepublic

For those interested I got this helpful reply from Cliff.
Is this true?? - Windows 10 Forums

I was wondering how long it would be before this came along and I for one am going to switch off updates until such times that I have to go 10.

 

[derekimo]

Also from point 1,

Users will still need to confirm the installation manually for it to continue.

I ain't worried about it myself, I haven't seen any aggressive tactics yet, I install all the W10 related updates too.

I don't think anybody really knows what's going to happen. I wouldn't shut off updates just because somebody thinks it's going to happen.

It's your computer though, you can do whatever you want if you think you need to.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Ok mate I suppose it is only a matter of time before we are forced to use 10 as I said before here and in the 10 forum I am resigned to the fact of it coming to that. I see your point re updates too insomuch that given the inevitability of it all it is a pointless exercise.

Now my objection is to how they are doing it and yes I know other companies such as Apple and Google are or have been doing things that I find distasteful for some time now, and I am not one for caving in without speaking my mind.

 

[derekimo]

Nobody is forcing you to do anything John, but whatever makes you feel better go ahead and do it.

I haven't had anything try to force itself to install yet, I install all the updates like I said, I do it manually though.

I have automatic updates turned off, set to check but let me choose.

You're not going to change how they do business, you can object all you want.

I'm just saying you don't need to overreact because of some article about what might happen.

 

[Barman58]

You also have to realize that the web is funded by advertising and a lot of these "News Sites" will publish whatever will drive clicks to their site and thus increase advertising revenue.

It's been a known fact for years that "Bad news sells" this is true of the conventional press and also the Web - Negative reports and opinions, even if a minority of all reports, will be published in preference to the reports / and opinions of the majority of satisfied users.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

Yes Derek I know all that - I had better shut up and just take what is dished out

 

[ICIT2LOL]

You also have to realize that the web is funded by advertising and a lot of these "News Sites" will publish whatever will drive clicks to their site and thus increase advertising revenue.

It's been a known fact for years that "Bad news sells" this is true of the conventional press and also the Web - Negative reports and opinions, even if a minority of all reports, will be published in preference to the reports / and opinions of the majority of satisfied users.

Yep I know my friend and I have read a lot from articles like that one I posted and it seems to me that anything I have read is indeed negative - I see not much at all to the contrary.
To be frank I have tried 10 on a couple of my machines before now and I really was not keen on it at all only because I find 7 so easy to navigate and use - so why fix a wheel that is not broken? I can see no advantage other than more profits for Microsoft.

 

[fireberd]

I have a dual boot system with Win 7/Win 10. Win 10 is my production OS, but I keep Win 7 as I have one old RS232C application, for my wife's embroidery machine, that will not run (even in compatibility mode) in anything above Win 7. Thus I keep Win 7 for that. I have the NIC disabled so it does not go on line. I should be "safe" with that since the only time I boot up Win 7 is when patterns need to be transferred to the embroidery machine.

 

[Barman58]

If you use a socket share between the router and the embroidery machine for power, you'll be really safe, if the embroidery machine is active the internet is not

 

[ThrashZone]

Yep either way we recently got a little taster being kb3112343 was sent as a Important update,
This has been the first one I've seen related to mostly win-10 monitoring of upgrading.

Take it for what you want I doubt it will be the last

 

[Cr00zng]

Ok mate I suppose it is only a matter of time before we are forced to use 10 as I said before here and in the 10 forum I am resigned to the fact of it coming to that. I see your point re updates too insomuch that given the inevitability of it all it is a pointless exercise.

Every time I walk away from my computer and come back, I am afraid that there is a new system pop up message asking me to upgrade to windows 10 and promising a Utopian computing environment afterwards. I can't help but be suspicious on why a for profit publicly traded company wants to give away their product with leading market share for free in a worth way.

Now my objection is to how they are doing it and yes I know other companies such as Apple and Google are or have been doing things that I find distasteful for some time now, and I am not one for caving in without speaking my mind.

That's not fair to Apple and for a certain extent to Google...

Yes, Apple also would like to collect diagnostic and usage data data, like MS. The difference is that Apple provides a simple interface to disable it; capture from my MacBook Pro:



The other five privacy settings above "Diagnostics & Usage" control applications access to the system and your data.

I used to believe that Google poses a high risk to privacy and to a certain extent security as well. MS didn't eclipse Google in that sense, MS leapfrogged Google. All of the things that Google had been doing, MS moved them to the W10 and to a certain extent to W7 and 8.x.

The Chrome OS from Google might do the same as W10, I've never used it. In which case, it isn't MS that pioneering OS based monitoring and recording end users' activities...

 

[Cr00zng]

You also have to realize that the web is funded by advertising and a lot of these "News Sites" will publish whatever will drive clicks to their site and thus increase advertising revenue

I dunno... At the beginning of the internet, there was no advertisements. Well, at least until the commercialization of the internet had begun in circa 1998...

 

[bigmck]

It seems like this "Forced Win 10" is prime for a lawsuit. Many others here and myself actually purchased a Win 7 disc and paid $100 for it. Now Microsoft is taking away something we paid for. If MS actually puts Win 10 on a Win 7 computer, there will be all kind of lawyers suing MS.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

It seems like this "Forced Win 10" is prime for a lawsuit. Many others here and myself actually purchased a Win 7 disc and paid $100 for it. Now Microsoft is taking away something we paid for. If MS actually puts Win 10 on a Win 7 computer, there will be all kind of lawyers suing MS.

I certainly hope so. I see anything M$py does to take away features from Win 7, or Win 7 itself, to be a breach of contract.

 

[ThrashZone]

Just unchecking the box to search for Optional software should stop the win-10 offers
Unfortunately that also excludes M$ Office products too but that might be the sacrificial lamb

But once these updates turn into Important the above is void M$ crosses the line seems to me anyway :/

But yes my retail win-7 h-premium was 200.us plus 3 other oem/ system builders for about 100.us
I'm not worried about the pro license I did kill upgrading in group policy plus I do know how to look up the updates

I also bought a retail 7 upgrade license not sure what I paid for it though ?

 

[fireberd]

The embroidery machine is not on line. It only has the RS232C connection and limited to only embroidery patterns.

 

[scr]

I don't want W10, I don't like W10 and I don't feel I should be forced to take repeated steps to block MS from invading my system just because they want me to take their free offer for a system OS change.

If MS did this right, which is the way I think they started out, you should be able to "Opt In." Some where along the line MS stepped in to the "mandatory" upgrade idea if they can trick, bully or otherwise force you in to it.

My trust in MS has been completely destroyed. They are denying me the peaceful use of the product that I paid a license fee to use. Why can't it be understood that some people just don't want to change or simply don't like change. Unless there is a good reason for updating other software on my system I don't. If I see a benefit to "me" I do.

I will do everything to protect my system from MS as I do from any other malware or virus including black listing Microsoft entirely if necessary. Does this put me in realm of crazy? Maybe, but it's what "I" want.

 

[sgage]

It seems like this "Forced Win 10" is prime for a lawsuit. Many others here and myself actually purchased a Win 7 disc and paid $100 for it. Now Microsoft is taking away something we paid for. If MS actually puts Win 10 on a Win 7 computer, there will be all kind of lawyers suing MS.

As obnoxious as this Win10 business is (and I find it extremely obnoxious and disappointing), nobody is taking anything away from you. Just don't say yes to the install, if somehow the bits got downloaded. It is entirely possible to get rid of all the Win10 upgrade stuff, and stay rid of it going forward. Should we have to be eternally vigilant? NO, and I resent that. But I am going to run Win7 on this computer until the hardware croaks. After that, probably Linux. NOT Win10.

I'm a MS customer since Before DOS - I used MSBASIC combined with Assembly Language back in the CP/M days. Now after 35 years, they've lost me. Too bad, because they finally hit the sweet spot with Win7.

Oh well.

 

[Alejandro85]

Ok mate I suppose it is only a matter of time before we are forced to use 10 as I said before here and in the 10 forum I am resigned to the fact of it coming to that. I see your point re updates too insomuch that given the inevitability of it all it is a pointless exercise.

There is NO way MS can ever force you into downgrading to Win10, even though they're very aggressive about it and many attacks have been launched from Windows Update. The fundamental thing to understand is that MS (or anyone else, for the matter) have no control over your computer, there is no magical button they touch and the whole world becomes infected with Win10. They rely on the backdoors they install to "phone home" and get instructions, but ultimate it's software running on our computers what put Win10 all over the place.

There is an excellent article related to this security issue: Ten Immutable Laws Of Security (ironically enough, from MS). Of particular importance here are the first two "laws":

Law #1: If a bad guy can persuade you to run his program on your computer, it's not solely your computer anymore.
Law #2: If a bad guy can alter the operating system on your computer, it's not your computer anymore.

The thing is, a bad guy must install something on your computer to take over it, and MS already did that. Since many months ago Windows Update has been used to infect users with the GWX malware. Without it, MS has NO WAY to touch anything in your computer, unless the user does a blunder and somehow installs anything dangerous.
Keep GWX at bay and Win10 will never knock your door. Fundamentally, that means avoiding "Win10-related" updates like the plague, or if you've already been hit, deleting, blocking, or otherwise preventing its execution will minimize any risks of finding your computer taken over. After all, we have Windows Firewall, AppLocker, Software Restriction Policies, File system permissions built-in, and loads of external security tools to protect from it, plus a reasonable amount of information about how the infection behaves. Tame GWX and Win10 is history, plain and simple.
(of course, here I'm assuming it's the only malware MS deployed without consent, assumption that can easily be wrong)

It seems like this "Forced Win 10" is prime for a lawsuit. Many others here and myself actually purchased a Win 7 disc and paid $100 for it. Now Microsoft is taking away something we paid for. If MS actually puts Win 10 on a Win 7 computer, there will be all kind of lawyers suing MS.

I'm surprised it hasn't happen yet. It could be easily seen as a take over of a private computer, privacy breach, broken contract and many more. Lawyers are very cunning when wording the licenses, however, plus that nobody reads them, plus judges always tend to favor the one with the most money.
It's also an utterly unethical move in any light, betraying your entire userbase, infecting the computers for advertising and data stealing. But I know, ethics and capitalism are the extreme opposites

 

[fhutt]

I agree mostly with what has been said.
I also go back to Dos, MSBasic and even CP/M. Then tried Windows 1, 2 and 3 and found them unusable and stayed with Dos. Then came Windows 3.1. I switched and upgraded right up to win 7. Win 7 had a problem for me. It had the classic theme but the menus were different until I found Classic Shell.
So I've used the classic environment for about 20 years now.

I upgraded to win 10 as a free upgrade from one of my win 7 machines to try it out. 3 days later I downgraded back to win 7.

If I am forced to upgrade to win 10, I thought I might as well check out other options. I looked into Linux. Unfortunately, I could not find (all) drivers even for one of my 4 machines and of course my printer and scanner. I will probably switch to the Mac.