New concern re 10

[scr]

@bigmack,
Thanks for the reply. I have Windows Update turned off. I always have had it off as I'm on a 5GB capped connection. I do the updates as soon as I can but have to be watchful of my data limit. The cost per MB over the 5GB cap is $0.45US. A 3GB W10 install file on 2 systems could get rather expensive. When you're old and on a fixed income every penny counts.

This is just another reason why I don't want W10. The enormous updates required to maintain W10 would eat a big hole in my data allowance every month. To say nothing of the amount of data being sent to MS or wherever it's going to go. I couldn't afford the free W10 even if I wanted it. I'm aware of the metered connection settings but at some point the updates would still be required.

I also make every attempt to find out what the updates are for from MS, here on the forums or with a search.

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@CrOOzing,
Thank you for your reply as well. The only MS software on my computers is W7, nothing else.

I have taken all the steps suggested in the various threads on Seven Forums either by uninstall of a tagged updated if I accidentally installed it as well as keep a on going list of the unacceptable updates. Only one slipped by me, not enough coffee I guess that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. I did the GMX Control Panel as well.

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What I'm looking for is a way to block Microsoft either through the firewall or router. The reason is that in the event that if MS decides to sneak some data collector through or just go for the gold and install W10 on my system. The latter I doubt but the data seems to be the MS goal at any cost. I just want to feel that if by some chance MS does something crazy I can restore one of my weekly images and block the event from reoccurring.

Over reacting.. yeah probably but, in my opinion, so is MS.

While I monitor my data use carefully I don't need an expensive surprise in my data costs if I happen to screw up, which remains as a good possibility.

 

[bigmck]

All you have to do is make a weekly image of your system using Macrium Reflect. This way if MS should install Win 10, all you have to do is Restore your Win 7 image and in 15 minutes you are back to normal.

 

[ICIT2LOL]

both versions had been retrofitted with the data collection updates and they pretty much do the same as Windows 10 does.

Hmm well I had an idea that this was going on and while someone said once to me why would they be interested in my data - well perhaps they are not but I still feel that any of my data (which could comprise of pics, docs and even confidential details) is strictly my own personal possession and not for just any other person to see or use for whatever purpose.

 

[scr]

All you have to do is make a weekly image of your system using Macrium Reflect. This way if MS should install Win 10, all you have to do is Restore your Win 7 image and in 15 minutes you are back to normal.

Thanks bigmck
That's exactly what I'm doing. I keep all my personal data on a separate drive so restore takes about 5 minutes tops.

Unfortunately if it's downloaded it's going to cost me some bucks.

I pretty much monitor all aspects of my system so I think I will notice the download. I will just have to make sure to disconnect the system from the Internet if I'm not sitting in front of the computer.

 

[sgage]

All you have to do is make a weekly image of your system using Macrium Reflect. This way if MS should install Win 10, all you have to do is Restore your Win 7 image and in 15 minutes you are back to normal.

Thanks bigmck
That's exactly what I'm doing. I keep all my personal data on a separate drive so restore takes about 5 minutes tops.

Unfortunately if it's downloaded it's going to cost me some bucks.

I pretty much monitor all aspects of my system so I think I will notice the download. I will just have to make sure to disconnect the system from the Internet if I'm not sitting in front of the computer.

I think that's a bit much. Look, the updates that do all the Win10 update stuff are well known and publicized all over the place. There are batch files you can use to remove them. Then you hide them. Then you vet future updates by checking out the details before downloading/installing them. Of course it shouldn't be necessary, but it's not that hard to do.

 

[scr]

both versions had been retrofitted with the data collection updates and they pretty much do the same as Windows 10 does.

Hmm well I had an idea that this was going on and while someone said once to me why would they be interested in my data - well perhaps they are not but I still feel that any of my data (which could comprise of pics, docs and even confidential details) is strictly my own personal possession and not for just any other person to see or use for whatever purpose.

If nothing else you are one more statistical figure in the equation of MS data mining total. There is probably money in the numbers alone.

 

[DavidE]

I have Windows Update turned off. I always have had it off as I'm on a 5GB capped connection. I do the updates as soon as I can but have to be watchful of my data limit. The cost per MB over the 5GB cap is $0.45US. A 3GB W10 install file on 2 systems could get rather expensive. When you're old and on a fixed income every penny counts.

While I monitor my data use carefully I don't need an expensive surprise in my data costs if I happen to screw up, which remains as a good possibility.

Hello scr,

I don't know how you monitor your data usage, but i've found NetWorx (free) is a good program for this info.
If you don't already use it, you can read about it and see if it might help you.
They have a portable version, but the installed version has some additional features that give more info.
https://www.softperfect.com/products/networx/manual/?lang=English

Happy New Year (d)

 

[ICIT2LOL]

If nothing else you are one more statistical figure in the equation of MS data mining total. There is probably money in the numbers alone.

Yep scr money being the bottom line as usual:sarc:

Seems to me there are less and less scruples in business now - or maybe it has alwasy been there and i am older now to realise it:huh:

 

[scr]

I have Windows Update turned off. I always have had it off as I'm on a 5GB capped connection. I do the updates as soon as I can but have to be watchful of my data limit. The cost per MB over the 5GB cap is $0.45US. A 3GB W10 install file on 2 systems could get rather expensive. When you're old and on a fixed income every penny counts.

While I monitor my data use carefully I don't need an expensive surprise in my data costs if I happen to screw up, which remains as a good possibility.

Hello scr,

I don't know how you monitor your data usage, but i've found NetWorx (free) is a good program for this info.
If you don't already use it, you can read about it and see if it might help you.
They have a portable version, but the installed version has some additional features that give more info.
https://www.softperfect.com/products/networx/manual/?lang=English

Happy New Year (d)

Hi DavidE,

Thanks for the suggestion. I've used Networx in the past but developed some issues with it sometime ago and moved on to Rainmeter for monitoring most of my system including Internet data usage.

Happy New year to you as well.

 

[scr]

If nothing else you are one more statistical figure in the equation of MS data mining total. There is probably money in the numbers alone.

Yep scr money being the bottom line as usual:sarc:

Seems to me there are less and less scruples in business now - or maybe it has alwasy been there and i am older now to realise it:huh:

ICIT2LOL,

I think it's always been that way to some degree. Now it's just more widespread and business is more blatant about it. Now that there are so many people business isn't as sensitive to losing customers, there's always more in the pool to replace them.

Yeah, getting older has a tendency to open your eyes to things that you didn't notice as much before. For example, I've noticed that the older I get the further away the ground gets and gravity exerts more force then it did when I was younger when you attempt to return upright from a position close to the ground.

 

[scr]

All you have to do is make a weekly image of your system using Macrium Reflect. This way if MS should install Win 10, all you have to do is Restore your Win 7 image and in 15 minutes you are back to normal.

Thanks bigmck
That's exactly what I'm doing. I keep all my personal data on a separate drive so restore takes about 5 minutes tops.

Unfortunately if it's downloaded it's going to cost me some bucks.

I pretty much monitor all aspects of my system so I think I will notice the download. I will just have to make sure to disconnect the system from the Internet if I'm not sitting in front of the computer.

I think that's a bit much. Look, the updates that do all the Win10 update stuff are well known and publicized all over the place. There are batch files you can use to remove them. Then you hide them. Then you vet future updates by checking out the details before downloading/installing them. Of course it shouldn't be necessary, but it's not that hard to do.

sgage,

Thanks for the reply.

I knew people would think that my practices would be as you put it "A bit much." I watch the updates and research them along with other measures as I have previously mentioned. Unfortunately the well known W10 stuff wasn't well known at some point and it took a lot of people by surprise, still is.

I can't help but feel that the path MS is taking and will take in the future is not in my best interest. MS is desperate to get people on to W10 by means I increasingly find objectionable. It's obvious that it isn't a profit from the OS that is driving them. Their profits are going to come some other way that they have left to guess work by their customers.

None of us really know what MS is going to do next, or how far they will go, especially if they feel they are not meeting their prescribed goals. I have lost all trust in MS, once trust is lost it almost never can be restored.

Being as prepared and watchful as I can is my only defense from something I don't want and increasing costs that I can't afford.

 

[bigmck]

SCR -- Since you are on a usage rate plan for your internet, I was just curious what area of the country you are in? If you wouldn't mind, what is the charge for the minimum usage amount? I wasn't aware there were and rate plans like that still in existence.

 

[sgage]

Thanks bigmck
That's exactly what I'm doing. I keep all my personal data on a separate drive so restore takes about 5 minutes tops.

Unfortunately if it's downloaded it's going to cost me some bucks.

I pretty much monitor all aspects of my system so I think I will notice the download. I will just have to make sure to disconnect the system from the Internet if I'm not sitting in front of the computer.

I think that's a bit much. Look, the updates that do all the Win10 update stuff are well known and publicized all over the place. There are batch files you can use to remove them. Then you hide them. Then you vet future updates by checking out the details before downloading/installing them. Of course it shouldn't be necessary, but it's not that hard to do.

sgage,

Thanks for the reply.

I knew people would think that my practices would be as you put it "A bit much." I watch the updates and research them along with other measures as I have previously mentioned. Unfortunately the well known W10 stuff wasn't well known at some point and it took a lot of people by surprise, still is.

I can't help but feel that the path MS is taking and will take in the future is not in my best interest. MS is desperate to get people on to W10 by means I increasingly find objectionable. It's obvious that it isn't a profit from the OS that is driving them. Their profits are going to come some other way that they have left to guess work by their customers.

None of us really know what MS is going to do next, or how far they will go, especially if they feel they are not meeting their prescribed goals. I have lost all trust in MS, once trust is lost it almost never can be restored.

Being as prepared and watchful as I can is my only defense from something I don't want and increasing costs that I can't afford.

When you are presented with a new update, right-click on it and select 'view details' or whatever the language is - you will get enough info to decide whether it's safe or not. If you're not sure, wait a day and search on the Internet - it doesn't take long at all for word to get out.

I totally agree that being prepared and watchful is the only way to go! It's just that there are going to be some updates you really ought to install. If you have the Update program set to ask you before downloading and updating, nothing is going to happen when you're not at your computer.

In any case, MS didn't lose my trust - they never had it!

 

[scr]

SCR -- Since you are on a usage rate plan for your internet, I was just curious what area of the country you are in? If you wouldn't mind, what is the charge for the minimum usage amount? I wasn't aware there were and rate plans like that still in existence.

No I don't mind.

I am all over the USA, currently in Georgia. I live in my RV all the time and for the last 19 years have traveled extensively throughout the contiguous 48 states. I use a Verizon 3g cell modem and the rate is $60.00 US + taxes and other charges, that defy description, per month for up to 5 GB up/down. Anything over that cap is at $0.45 US per MB. If I were to use 6 GB in one month I would have to pay $0.45 US per MB x 1000 MB. A unexpected 3 to 4 GB windows download would be very costly. If I planned to do W10 it would severely limit any data use for the month. With two computers it just isn't feasible to use W10 even if I wanted to.

Verizon offers other plans but I would have to sign a two year contract and replace all my cellular equipment (modem, booster amplifier, router, phone and antenna - about a $500.00 to $600.00 investment) to participate. I don't want another contract.

If my memory is working properly, always questionable, it was like $80.00 US for 10 GB of data. However, my cell phone charges would have increased about $45.00 US a month due to a required change in my calling plan to get the additional data. In the end making the extra 5 GB of data cost about $70.00 US + taxes and whatever a month. The new total monthly charge ended up at about $170.00 a month versus the $93.00 a month I'm currently paying. It was a budget buster.

I suppose that I could find a cheaper method but that would require the use of WiFi For obvious reasons I do all my financial transactions and most of my correspondance on line. From what I understand WiFi is not the safest method to accomplish this.

While other carriers offer different plan prices their coverage is seriously lacking. I usually end up in some pretty remote places, not the end of the earth but I have been darn close. While Verizon says that my current location is good the reality is that it isn't that great, not unusual, and I'm getting .45mbps to 1mbps down if the wind is blowing the correct way.

 

[scr]

I think that's a bit much. Look, the updates that do all the Win10 update stuff are well known and publicized all over the place. There are batch files you can use to remove them. Then you hide them. Then you vet future updates by checking out the details before downloading/installing them. Of course it shouldn't be necessary, but it's not that hard to do.

sgage,

Thanks for the reply.

I knew people would think that my practices would be as you put it "A bit much." I watch the updates and research them along with other measures as I have previously mentioned. Unfortunately the well known W10 stuff wasn't well known at some point and it took a lot of people by surprise, still is.

I can't help but feel that the path MS is taking and will take in the future is not in my best interest. MS is desperate to get people on to W10 by means I increasingly find objectionable. It's obvious that it isn't a profit from the OS that is driving them. Their profits are going to come some other way that they have left to guess work by their customers.

None of us really know what MS is going to do next, or how far they will go, especially if they feel they are not meeting their prescribed goals. I have lost all trust in MS, once trust is lost it almost never can be restored.

Being as prepared and watchful as I can is my only defense from something I don't want and increasing costs that I can't afford.

When you are presented with a new update, right-click on it and select 'view details' or whatever the language is - you will get enough info to decide whether it's safe or not. If you're not sure, wait a day and search on the Internet - it doesn't take long at all for word to get out.

I totally agree that being prepared and watchful is the only way to go! It's just that there are going to be some updates you really ought to install. If you have the Update program set to ask you before downloading and updating, nothing is going to happen when you're not at your computer.

In any case, MS didn't lose my trust - they never had it!

That is exactly what I do now. However I wait about two weeks unless it's something critical. Before the update I do a system image.

"Never had it" Exactly!

 

[groze]

I was beginning to use windows 10 more & more. After studying the privacy concerns, it is not really as bad as people think. I even like a couple of apps. That not the reason I stopped using windows 10 for the moment it is because of this post on windows 10 forum.

Windows 10 killed my dell xps 2710 - Windows 10 Forums

See, I also have an all-in-one Dell different model but if there is a slight chance windows 10 or a driver killed the motherboard. I don't want to take that chance no matter how slim it is. My computer is out of warranty now.

 

[bigmck]

Thanks SCR for the post. I can understand why you have things set up the way you do. I had never considered the problems of mobile internet before.

 

[thelma]

Well Groze, hi , I spend a half hour on windows 10 forum I followed that thread from start to well .... now ), then did see all the other "Windows 10 killed..... " underneath this thread.

I already knew, that I never would, could, wanted windows 10 on this old Dell laptop, but those updates that you cannot refuse are really closing the door for me in the future, NEVER EVER WINDOWS 10 for Thelma.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...Yeah, getting older has a tendency to open your eyes to things that you didn't notice as much before. For example, I've noticed that the older I get the further away the ground gets and gravity exerts more force then it did when I was younger when you attempt to return upright from a position close to the ground.

Oh man! You just said a mouthful, friend! The old "I've fallen and I can't get up" commercials are too close to reality to be funny anymore.

 

[ThrashZone]

I stopped using windows 10 for the moment it is because of this post on windows 10 forum.

Windows 10 killed my dell xps 2710 - Windows 10 Forums

See, I also have an all-in-one Dell different model but if there is a slight chance windows 10 or a driver killed the motherboard. I don't want to take that chance no matter how slim it is. My computer is out of warranty now.

Well being I had one old hdd get put to sleep by win-10tp I chalked it up to just the old hdd

I would guess the issue is similar
Removing and replacing a hdd might work to remove any win-10 fast start features connected to the drive
If still an issue possibly removing and reinstalling the cpu can often reset the mobo's bios to default or offer a F2 to enter bios setup

It would be hard to believe 10 toasted the bios imho more likely toasted or put to sleep the hdd is most likely = been there