Normal service is resumed as Windows 7's growth once again.....

[SIW2]

That is bad news for folks who have been doing nicely charging £50 to help customers to upgrade to an os they want.

Microsoft has asked us to no longer provide this in efforts to keep consumers from downgrading to Windows 7 or switching to Linux. We sincerely hope that you continue to enjoy and use windows 8.1

 

[Britton30]

Yeah, sadly, I suspect Win 8 is the future of Windows. This is why is a few short years we'll talk about "those old Windows systems" while using Apple (ugh) or one of the many capable Linux distros.

 

[lehnerus2000]

That is bad news for folks who have been doing nicely charging £50 to help customers to upgrade to an os they want.

Microsoft has asked us to no longer provide this in efforts to keep consumers from downgrading to Windows 7 or switching to Linux. We sincerely hope that you continue to enjoy and use windows 8.1

Just like the Windows 8 preview Start menu fiasco.

This sort of behaviour is one of the reasons that MS is despised as a company.
"You'll do it our way and like it ... OR ELSE!"

Nice Heinlein quote, SIW2.

 

[HerrKaLeun]

it seems W7 gained even more marketshare in May.

I'm really wondering why all the people had purchased W7 licenses and install it now and not years ago?
I was a die-hard W7 desktop users until a while ago. but then I used W8.1 at work on surface Pro. My mom also has a new laptop with W8 and after I upgraded her to 8.1 and installed Classicshell I have to say it is quite nice, looks like W7, but under the hood it is improved. If I purchased a license now, it would be W8. Obviously I'm not tossing my current W7 licenses and pay money for new ones. but if I had to buy a new license anyway, it would be W8.

I think the W8 problem is that people used W8 without classicshell and the Metro screen scared everyone away (even on tablet I boot to desktop and never use Metro, I'm not a 3 year old toddler!). Had MS enabled boot-to-desktop and added the start-menu like in W7, it would have been a successful continuation of W7 and 90% of users would have been happy (100% happiness impossible, someone always likes W98 or vista better....)

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Sooner or later Microsoft is going to figure out something that has been known for 1000's of years...

And I've told you a million times not to exaggerate!

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

No idea why this has turned into a personal thread.

Irrelevant if I like it or not. It is still not selling.

And there is the entire point!

This reminds me of the Studebaker Avanti. It was one heck of a car, well engineered and well built, with a radical new body style (that I personally liked). It didn't sell, however, partially due to Studebaker's tarnished reputation (remember the model you couldn't tell which way it was going to go when parked?) but mostly because it was too radically different from other cars of its era; the public wasn't ready for it yet. Yet, pretty much all of its innovative features were later incorporated in later vehicles, such as the short rear hood and long front hood that the Ford Mustang later had a resounding success with, the low compression engine designed to work with supercharging to bring the compression back up to "normal", giving far more power and better fuel mileage, that has reappeared as turbocharging in most smaller gasoline engines today (and even in pickup trucks; look at F150's Ecoboost), and more luxurious interiors.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...Next screen asks me to sign to my Microsoft account, which I do not want to use in this machine, so naturally I select what Windows documentation asks me to select at this point:

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Which brings me to screen where I can tell Windows I want to continue using my existing (local) account:

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And there is one place where Win 8 loses me. I can't have a M$ account because to do so, M$ DEMANDS that I have all my cookies enabled; not just M$'s cookies but ALL cookies! It's my darned computer and I will determine whose cookies get put on it, not M$!

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Folks I will in a short post try to explain.

My poke and go phrase came from watching Microsoft commercials and the opinion I gathered by watching them.
In my opinion Microsoft is reaching out for such people. (poke and go)

That does not mean that you can't use Windows 8.xx on a desktop or any way you please to. Many use it on their desktop and like it.

I have never seen a Microsoft commercial that show the use of a mouse and or keyboard. All the commercials show touch screens so I must assume that is the crowd Microsoft is reaching out for.

Is Windows 8.xx much more than a touch screen; absolutely and lots of members here have proven that.

Watch Microsoft's commercials and make your own opinion on who Microsoft is reaching out for with Windows 8.xx.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

I am unsubscribing this thread after posting this, for as I said these arguments are IMO pointless.

To me it still takes longer to do simple tasks.

Name a few "simple tasks" that takes more time to do in Eight that in Seven.

Windows 8 should be re-named windows mobile or something, and then have windows 9 be the full desktop/laptop experience.

Total BS. Windows 8 is just as much a PC OS than Seven, only difference being it has added functionality.

I don't need every app taking up my entire screen. I want to multitask. Yes you can snap apps, yes you can resize. But everything is ridiculous giant and cumbersome. It speaks volumes that it has such as low market-share as it does.

The stupidest BS argument I have ever heard of. If you do not like Store Apps and how they behave, you do not have to use nor see them ever again. The same if you do not like the Start Screen, boot to desktop and never use Start Screen again. Multitask with desktop apps exactly as you do with Windows Seven.

Previous versions is a perfect example. It is a fantastic tool and is gone and replaced with the dumber file history. That requires a external hard drive hooked up at all times to restore previous versions of files. What good is that? Why make it harder to do something?

Again BS. File history does not require an external HDD. For example I am using a separate partition in my system disk for it.

Over and out,

Kari

What was the point of asking those questions if you are going to unsubscribe and not be around to see the answers?

 

[Kari]

...Next screen asks me to sign to my Microsoft account, which I do not want to use in this machine, so naturally I select what Windows documentation asks me to select at this point:

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Which brings me to screen where I can tell Windows I want to continue using my existing (local) account:

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And there is one place where Win 8 loses me. I can't have a M$ account because to do so, M$ DEMANDS that I have all my cookies enabled; not just M$'s cookies but ALL cookies! It's my darned computer and I will determine whose cookies get put on it, not M$!

Did you misread or misunderstand my post? Steps I described in the post you quote tell exactly how NOT to use Microsoft Account but use (or in case of upgrading 8 to 8.1) continue using a local account with absolutely no email address, Microsoft or any other connected to it. Exactly the same as the local user account in Windows 7.

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

...Next screen asks me to sign to my Microsoft account, which I do not want to use in this machine, so naturally I select what Windows documentation asks me to select at this point:

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Which brings me to screen where I can tell Windows I want to continue using my existing (local) account:

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And there is one place where Win 8 loses me. I can't have a M$ account because to do so, M$ DEMANDS that I have all my cookies enabled; not just M$'s cookies but ALL cookies! It's my darned computer and I will determine whose cookies get put on it, not M$!

Did you misread or misunderstand my post? Steps I described in the post you quote tell exactly how NOT to use Microsoft Account but use (or in case of upgrading 8 to 8.1) continue using a local account with absolutely no email address, Microsoft or any other connected to it. Exactly the same as the local user account in Windows 7.

You are correct; I apologize and sit corrected.

 

[Kari]

No problems, this is something that confuses quite a number of users. You may set up a Windows 8 user account as a so called Microsoft Account but you don't have to, using a local account as in Windows 7 is totally fine. OK, with a local account you cannot use most of the windows Store Apps and Store itself without specifically logging in with an email address, but on the other hand you get more choices as you can set a different email address to be used with each app, whereas a user account tied to a Microsoft Account uses this email for Store and each app.

A funny thing I have noticed: In my real life social circles (a lot of geeks!) those who are most against using a Microsoft Account with Windows 8 often tell the main reason is that it is not Microsoft's business what they do with computers, they do not want MS to log their activities. Yet, those same users see no paradox in their use of iPhones and Android devices, it's OK for them to tie an email account to these devices, to get apps from store and so on or like in case of Android, the need to have a Google account even to get started with the device.

Confusing.

 

[Bertison]

Got bored after Page 3, so have not read all responses. However, here's my tupennyworth: some people like Windows 8, many more do not. I am in the latter category, just could not get on with it. There are many more like me, which is why 7 is outselling 8 by a large factor. Does not make me or anyone of the same opinion, more or less intelligent or experienced in any way.

That's a fact, and another fact is that Kari said earlier in this thread that he was going to unsubscribe from this forum. Instead of which, war broke out.

It's all down to personal choice as individuals, why fight?

 

[Kari]

... another fact is that Kari said earlier in this thread that he was going to unsubscribe from this forum. Instead of which, war broke out.

It's all down to personal choice as individuals, why fight?

I find it quite odd that you kind of accuse me of the fight, that me not unsubscribing and continuing to post is the reason. I just read my posts in this thread through to check what i have said, and honestly all I can see is I complained about being categorized and have corrected false information.

Do you really mean that however false the given information is, Windows 8 is in your opinion so bad it should not be defended and false information should not be corrected?

 

[ThrashZone]

A funny thing I have noticed: In my real life social circles (a lot of geeks!) those who are most against using a Microsoft Account with Windows 8 often tell the main reason is that it is not Microsoft's business what they do with computers, they do not want MS to log their activities. Yet, those same users see no paradox in their use of iPhones and Android devices, it's OK for them to tie an email account to these devices, to get apps from store and so on or like in case of Android, the need to have a Google account even to get started with the device.

Confusing.

Don't feel like the lone ranger
I've never understood that one either

 

[Bertison]

Ok Kari here is your Post 5:

I am unsubscribing this thread after posting this, for as I said these arguments are IMO pointless.

I'm done here, do not want to encourage another argument.

 

[Kari]

Just before your post (#53) another member posted (#51) why she's against Windows 8, using an argument which is not true. If I had unsubscribed, that argument (need of an MS account) had not been corrected because most pro-Eight users understand better than me, to stay out from these biased discussions were only arguments against are accepted.

Say what you want to but that's really odd that for you, it had been better for me not to post a correction and really stay out from here than to post and correct false information which in itself could have caused an occasional browser of this thread to decide against Windows 8 if left uncorrected.

 

[python134r]

I actually had a cx ask me if the metro gui like in his 8.1 laptop can be installed in his win7 desktop computer, that got quite a "moment" from me........

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

No problems, this is something that confuses quite a number of users. You may set up a Windows 8 user account as a so called Microsoft Account but you don't have to, using a local account as in Windows 7 is totally fine. OK, with a local account you cannot use most of the windows Store Apps and Store itself without specifically logging in with an email address, but on the other hand you get more choices as you can set a different email address to be used with each app, whereas a user account tied to a Microsoft Account uses this email for Store and each app.

A funny thing I have noticed: In my real life social circles (a lot of geeks!) those who are most against using a Microsoft Account with Windows 8 often tell the main reason is that it is not Microsoft's business what they do with computers, they do not want MS to log their activities. Yet, those same users see no paradox in their use of iPhones and Android devices, it's OK for them to tie an email account to these devices, to get apps from store and so on or like in case of Android, the need to have a Google account even to get started with the device.

Confusing.

I don't use Android phones and iPhones, partially because of that (the big reason is I'm too cheap to pay that big monthly bill for a service I don't really need; heck, I barely use my talk only cell phone and land line).

 

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Just before your post (#53) another member posted (#51) why she's against Windows 8, using an argument which is not true. If I had unsubscribed, that argument (need of an MS account) had not been corrected because most pro-Eight users understand better than me, to stay out from these biased discussions were only arguments against are accepted.

Say what you want to but that's really odd that for you, it had been better for me not to post a correction and really stay out from here than to post and correct false information which in itself could have caused an occasional browser of this thread to decide against Windows 8 if left uncorrected.

Just because I admitted I was wrong about that one thing doesn't mean I suddenly like Win 8 now. I used it for a week on a friend's husband's computer last November because I had forgotten mine (old age sucks) and, despite his excellent tutelage (he is an IT tech and supervisor), I found it too confusing and cumbersome to use compared to Win 7 (and that wasn't just due the lack of a Start menu). I had no trouble going from XP to Win 7 and, overall, liked Win 7 better but trying to transition to Win 8 feels like trying to use a Mack truck a 5 speed main, four speed auxiliary, and no trailer to get groceries. Sure, you can do it but not as easily and efficiently as drive a car with an automatic. There is a reason why businesses upgrading from XP chose Win 7 over Win 8.