Opera 11 will have extensions

[CGA1]

This is certainly big news.

 

[A Guy]

Opera calls for browser extension standard

With extensions coming to Opera 11, the Norwegian browser maker says it's time to consider making the technology a standard for all browsers.

That's because Opera 11 extensions will use the same collection of Web page technologies--HTML for page contents, Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) for formatting, JavaScript for processing--as extensions in Google's Chrome, Apple's Safari 5, and Mozilla Firefox's upcoming Jetpack. The approach generally makes it easier for at least lightweight extensions, and browser technologies handle the interface.

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A Guy

 

[seekermeister]

I'm not certain if this is a good thing for me or not. I know that FF and some other browsers use extensions, but I have never had the desire to delve into them. I have read where some have complained about the complexity of having to install a multitude of extensions, and getting them to work properly. I have no doubt that some of these are worthwhile...at least to some people, but exactly what does extensions offer that Opera is not already capable of?

 

[stve]

Extensions should be easier to write & certainly a lot easier for the less technically able to install.

 

[swarfega]

If you had an extension standard then it would be easier for authors to make them cross browser.

 

[CGA1]

This will hopefully be a good thing for Opera. I was an Opera user for many years but in the end (around version 9.0) i got tired of the company's inability to listen to the users. I remember arguing for such a simple feature as autocomplete in form fields that a lot of users where wishing for just resulted in long forum threads. Opening up Opera to extension developers is a way to give the users an alternative to get what they want.

 

[A Guy]

I am happy with Opera's built in usability, but having some possible extension options would be nice. A Guy

 

[Maxxwire]

Well, I've got the v10.70 build 9071 snapshot installed so hopefully the v11 builds featuring extensions will be out soon...

"This is the last 10.70 build. Being a 10.70 build it does not include extensions. The first build with extensions will be an 11.00 build and we'll get it to you as soon as possible."

~Maxx~

 

[Maxxwire]

Opera 11 Alpha has been released and it benchmarks over 250 points higher on the Peacekeeper Browser Benchmark than v10.70 did on my Win 7 x64 computer! Out of the limited offering I've only installed 1 extension so far.

~Maxx~

 

[seekermeister]

I just tried Peacekeeper with 11, but even though it at first appeared to be running well, it finished with the following result"

Could not find result for key 4ZpY. If you trying to benchmark another browser please make sure you have copied the url correctly and try again.

I have no idea of what that means?

EDIT: I ran it again, and it completed but didn't score well at all. Maybe it's due to my old hardware. I also ran it in 10.63, where it did about the same, so I'm fairly sure that the hardware is the difference.

 

[Maxxwire]

I ran it again, and it completed but didn't score well at all. Maybe it's due to my old hardware. I also ran it in 10.63, where it did about the same, so I'm fairly sure that the hardware is the difference.

seekermeister- Just days before I got my Win 7 x64 computer 3 months ago I tested Opera 10.60 using my HP Vista x86 laptop and received this result...

Yes, you're right he Peacekeeper scores primarily reflect the build quality of the computer that they are being run on and so comparisons between makes or builds of browsers should be done on the same computer for the most accurate results. As an example heres how Opera 10.61 scored on my Win 7 x64 computer just weeks later...

and here's how Opera 11 Alpha compares to Opera 10.61 as tested on the same Win 7 computer...

~Maxx~

 

[seekermeister]

The difference is not just whether the computer is W7 x64, because mine is also, but of an older ilk. Can't be certain, but I suspect that it is due to the graphics card...at least mostly.

 

[Maxxwire]

The difference is not just whether the computer is W7 x64, because mine is also, but of an older ilk. Can't be certain, but I suspect that it is due to the graphics card...at least mostly.

Yes, that's what I meant by...

The Peacekeeper scores primarily reflect the build quality of the computer that they are being run on.

My desktop computer that has Win 7 also scores 3X higher on the Passmark benchtests than the laptop which runs Vista and has 600% slower dual core processing, slower DDR2 RAM and a vastly inferior video card which is what is making the largest difference in the scores.

~Maxx~

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[stve]

The Peacekeeper scores primarily reflect the build quality of the computer that they are being run on.

Congrats you have arrived at the correct conclusion.
Might have found out sooner if you had visited the Statistics link from your Peacekeeper results page.
Peacekeeper - The Browser Benchmark from Futuremark Corporation

How can I get a higher score?

Other than the browser itself, the most significant factor affecting the Peacekeeper score is the type of CPU in your PC. That said, Peacekeeper is designed to compare the relative performance of different browsers on your PC.

There is a chart on the statistics page showing the relative performance of different Processor's.
Of course if you overclock your PC you get higher scores mine is a Intel Core i7-920 Processor overclocked to 3.GHz .
I have found that running Peacekeeper on a new install of Opera gives a higher score, one of the 10.70 builds gave me a score of 15250 but several subsequent runs were around 14500 to 14850.
The Alpha release of OP11 is not any faster than the last three 10.70 builds but the extensions rock & I love the new installer being able to install to a USB drive as a Portable installation is great

All the browsers I tested were the latest available last week

 

[Maxxwire]

The Alpha release of OP11 is not any faster than the last three 10.70 builds.

In the Peacekeeper benchmarks that I have run with both Opera 10.70 and 11.00 Alpha which has the latest and greatest Presto 2.6.37 Opera 11 Alpha consistently scores much higher using my Win 7 x64 Intel with Core i7 930 2.93 GHz processing which has not been overclocked.

I respect the comparative results that you have gotten at Peacekeeper, but I can not ignore the overwhelming evidence that Opera 11 Alpha is decidedly faster than both v10.6 and v10.7 in the results that I have gotten there...

~Maxx~

 

[Maxxwire]

Peacekeeper seriously needs to update their statistics page! A lot has happened since Opera 10.50 Beta!

~Maxx~

 

[stve]

I respect the comparative results that you have gotten at Peacekeeper, but I can not ignore the overwhelming evidence that Opera 11 Alpha is decidedly faster than both v10.6 and v10.7 in the results that I have gotten there...

I Wonder what build number of 10.70 you were running. There have been twenty releases of Opera 10.70 , that might explain it if you was running an older build compared to me.

Opera Desktop Team - An Important piece of the puzzle

The following comment is from a Opera employee who works on the desktop team

Ruari Ødegaard # 21. October 2010, 10:27

Originally posted by ouzoWTF:

"Where can we see the changelog since the last 10.70 build? Or are the changes just the extensions? "

"Just the windows installer and extensions."

Even if you was comparing the latest 10.70 build against Opera 11 alpha there are probably plenty of obscure reasons or quirks that could cause a build to run slowly.
When i benchmark The latest Chrome releases for some weird reason they alternate between fast around 13,600 & slow around 7500.
I have never heard of it happening to anyone else it's just my PC.

 

[stve]

Peacekeeper seriously needs to update their statistics page! A lot has happened since Opera 10.50 Beta!

I started a thread about it on the Peacekeeper forums back in May,
Peacekeeper have recently updated the other browsers but forgotten all about Opera

Peacekeeper browser stats updating ? - Futuremark / YouGamers Forums

 

[Maxxwire]

[I started a thread about it on the Peacekeeper forums back in May,
Peacekeeper have recently updated the other browsers but forgotten all about Opera

Peacekeeper browser stats updating ? - Futuremark / YouGamers Forums

Thanks for the link! On the chart they list Chrome 7.0.5 right along with Opera 10.50 Beta so it seems as though they have forgotten Chrome also.

~Maxx~

 

[Maxxwire]

I Wonder what build number of 10.70 you were running. There have been twenty releases of Opera 10.70 , that might explain it if you was running an older build compared to me.

Even if you was comparing the latest 10.70 build against Opera 11 alpha there are probably plenty of obscure reasons or quirks that could cause a build to run slowly.

These are the list of the Opera 10.70 versions that I have run as I switched mid stream from the Opera 10.60 series and after a considerable amount of digging through my records the highest Peacekeeper benchmark I recorded for Opera 10.70 was b9044 with Presto 2.6.34...

I apologize that I can not get Opera 11 Alpha to run slower than Opera 10.70 maybe there's a problem with my computer's Intel Core i7 930 2.93 GHz processing or its 8 GB of DDR 3 RAM, but the very consistent Peacekeeper Benchmarks show that Opera 11 Alpha with Presto 2.6.37 is faster than any version of Opera 10.70 in every benchmark up to and including b9071.

~Maxx~