Pulling my hair out... nothing works to clone a new drive in laptop

VTX1800N1

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First, I HATE Microsoft. There, I said it. NOT ONE of their tech or "how to" articles has ever worked. Not a single one, and their tutorials on backup and restore are no different.

I recently bought a Samsung 250 GB SSD to put in my Dell XPS-17 to speed it up. The OEM drive is a Toshiba 500 GB HD, but is much less than half full. All I want to do is make an exact copy of the drive onto the new hard drive and then use my old drive (the laptop has two internal drive bays) to store files while the new drive runs the OS and programs. Seems like a simple request, right? Yeah, I thought so too....

The Samsung comes with their own software that promises to let you clone the drive. Well, they lied. Their software points you to their website, where you can download a copy of Norton Ghost. Great, I thought, that should take care of it.... well, not so fast. Seems Samsung failed to include the license key with Ghost, and without the key, Ghost will not clone the drive. Thanks for nothing, Samsung.

I have a WD passport drive that has its own software for maintaining a backup. Well, I found out that was about worthless too. I had it set to "Category" backup, and because it wasn't on "File" backup, it will only restore my files to a new folder on the new drive after I install Windows on that drive. That means that none of my settings or programs are there. What a waste of time. I have now changed it to "File" backup and have to wait several hours while it completes that before I can try it again and see if it will restore all my files, programs, and settings. I have my doubts.

So I started to research other options. First on my list was making a complete system image with the built in Win 7 backup and restore utility. Several hours later, the image complete (on an external drive), I installed the new SSD in the primary slot and the laptop and installed a fresh copy of Win 7 Pro 64. After that was done, I tried to restore, only to discover Microsoft's lie. You cannot reach a USB drive in order to find the backup copy to restore from. So, I installed the original HD in the secondary laptop slot and copied the image file from my external drive over to the HD. A couple hours later and that was done, and then I rebooted only to discover that not only can Windows not find an external USB drive, it can't even find the backup copy in the secondary (original HDD) drive slot. What the hell good is making a complete drive image if you can never find the damned thing to restore from? This is 131 GB of data, and at 4.7GB per DVD, it would take me 28 DVDs to make a complete image. I'm not going to do that. Microsoft, you suck.

Does ANYONE know of any actual way to completely clone a drive. I'm talking boot sector and all. I want to just be able to swap the new drive over after cloning and have it boot up as if nothing had changed. Microsoft clearly doesn't know how to do this. Does anyone else?
 

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Oh, and BTW, I tried Macrium as listed above too. That took even longer than the Win 7 utility and didn't work either. All I got when I tried to boot from the new drive with the "clone" on it was a flashing cursor. The computer would do nothing else. I'm just completely disgusted at this point.
 
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Intel i7-2720QM 2.20 GHz
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Dell Latitude L702X
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Will do if this doesn't work:

samsungdatamigration.jpg
 

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Hum one more - Clonezilla - About

Otherwise what I might suggest VTX is to install on to the SSD and then just transfer over what you want from the larger drive. I know that is a PITA but maybe the only way.

I ma going for another look round.

Mate I am not trying to be rude but you are "letting it beat you" by getting so frustrated and sooner or later you might just make the mistake of rubbishing the older drive.

Did you see these http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/135077-windows-7-installation-transfer-new-computer.html
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/149969-ssd-install-transfer-operating-system.html
 

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Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
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Asus ROG 256GB 850 Pro SSD
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Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK
Well basically, you can't "clone" a larger drive to a smaller drive because "clone" means making an EXACT copy. You can "migrate" from a larger drive to a smaller, and I suspect, that is what some of the so-called "clone" operations are really doing.

Paragon makes such a migration app and what it allows you to do is select filetypes to be omitted from the migration, thus shrinking down your current space demands (on the HDD) to be small enough to fit on the SDD. I used this to migrate my HDD to SDD and it worked great.
 

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The Samsung Migration software worked great. My system is operating on the SSD now.
 

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Windows 7 Professional 64 bit
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Intel i7-2720QM 2.20 GHz
Motherboard
Dell Latitude L702X
Memory
8GB
Hard Drives
Samsung 840 250 GB SSD SATA III
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Chrome, IE
The Samsung Migration software worked great. My system is operating on the SSD now.
Good to hear VTX - now wax on - wax off LOL!!
 

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Computer type
PC/Desktop
Computer Manufacturer/Model Number
Own build (new) Desk1 / Asus ROG Win 7 / Desk2 1st build
OS
Desk1 7 Home Prem / Desk2 10 Pro / Main lap Asus ROG 10 Pro 2 laptop Toshiba 7 Pro Asus P2520 7 & 10
CPU
Desk1 i5 3750K / Laptop i7 GTX 860M / Desk2 i5 2500
Motherboard
Desk1 Asus P877-V / Desk2 Gigabyte H67 UD3H / Laptop ?
Memory
Desk1 8GB (1866) / Desk2 16GB (1333) / Laptop 8Gb DDR3
Graphics Card(s)
Desk 1& 2NVidia GTX 650 & Laptops on board Intel
Sound Card
Desk 1 & 2 -XONAR DG Realtek High Def audio Laptop
Monitor(s) Displays
Desk 1 Benq HD 2450 / Desk2 Philips 24" / Laptop 17.5"
Screen Resolution
1920x1080 D1 & D2 & Laptop 1
Hard Drives
Desk1 Samsung 120GB 830 SSD
Asus ROG 256GB 850 Pro SSD
Desk2 Samsung 840 256 SSD
Toshiba 120GB EVO
PSU
Desk 1 Corsair HX 1050/ Laptop ? / Desk 2 Corsair HX 650
Case
Desk 1 Cooler HAF XM ? Toshiba laptop / Desk2 Coolermaster
Cooling
Fans on all Desk1 -2 Desk2 - all Coolermasters 5 Laptop ?
Keyboard
Desk 1 MS Sidewinder X6 Desk 2 MS Sidewinder X 4
Mouse
Desk 1&2 - Gigabyte MS 900 gamer - laptop - Logitec wireless
Internet Speed
ADSL2+
Other Info
One other Desktop (tester) and spare Toshba laptop both with SSD's
Running Kaspersky 2016 ISS on all machines config'd identically
Logitec audio stereo systems on each machine (x3)
Canon MG5250MFC
Router/modem TP-Link running WPA2SK
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