Solved Question regarding windows key and upgrading

[winkawak]

Im trying to figure out a way to keep all my programs and installed games(non game distribution like steam or origin...etc) upgrading to windows 10 from windows 7. I have multiple HDD containing installed games and a SSD containing my os and installed programs. Heres my questions

1.If i was going to unplug all my other HDD containing my installed games while leaving my OS and programs SSD plugged in will it work? Or do i need to have all drives plugged in for windows upgrade?

2.Lets say i can have the non os hdd unplugged while upgrading my os and lets say during windows upgrading process like the media creation tool didnt keep my all my installed programs. If i had a clone copy of my ssd containing OS and installed programs can i just unplug the updated windows on the plugged in ssd and plug in the clone ssd thats containing my windows 7 before upgrade. Will it still work? or the key has been changed i can no longer use it again?

hope i explain it well and its not too confusing

 

[samuria]

Leave all drives in goto media creation tool site hit update it will update and keep all your programs and games it won't ask for a key. It then gives you 30 days to role back. It's normally bomb proof

 

[winkawak]

Leave all drives in goto media creation tool site hit update it will update and keep all your programs and games it won't ask for a key. It then gives you 30 days to role back. It's normally bomb proof

Ive seen alot of problems people post online with media creation tool, i wish it was bomb proof. This might be a expensive solution but i think i should clone all my drive as a backup in case my programs and games dont get fully transfer over to windows 10. If not all programs or games are transferred after the windows 10 in place upgrade i can unplugged all current drives and just plug in my clone drives and it will be like i never updated. Am i right?

 

[samuria]

A backup is always best idea but its rare there are any problems unless the games arnt supported I have done loads and most people it will go trouble free

 

[winkawak]

A backup is always best idea but its rare there are any problems unless the games arnt supported I have done loads and most people it will go trouble free

can you please answer second part of my question regarding clone drive plugged in after windows 10 upgrade.

 

[garycase]

If you want to be exceptionally well protected against any possible upgrade issues, make an IMAGE of ALL of your drives -- no need to clone them; just have an image file so you can restore them to their exact state if need be. Any good imaging utility will work -- I prefer Image for Windows, but if you want a free utility Macrium Reflect will do.

I agree, however, that the '10 upgrade is VERY reliable. But if you want it to keep all your programs and data, they need to be "seen" by the system during the upgrade, so you do NOT want to unplug your other drives.

I would use the Media Creation Tool and create an "ISO for use on another system". Then use 7-Zip to extract the files in the ISO to a folder on your system; and then run Setup from that folder. This will run the Windows 10 installer and you'll be able to choose what to keep -- by default it will have your files and programs already selected. When it finishes, you'll be running '10

… and as already noted, you can easily roll back to your previous OS for 30 days -- it's literally just a few mouse clicks to do that.

 

[samuria]

Yes the clone will still work but don't forget you can role back the upgrade for 30 days

 

[winkawak]

If you want to be exceptionally well protected against any possible upgrade issues, make an IMAGE of ALL of your drives -- no need to clone them; just have an image file so you can restore them to their exact state if need be. Any good imaging utility will work -- I prefer Image for Windows, but if you want a free utility Macrium Reflect will do.

I agree, however, that the '10 upgrade is VERY reliable. But if you want it to keep all your programs and data, they need to be "seen" by the system during the upgrade, so you do NOT want to unplug your other drives.

I would use the Media Creation Tool and create an "ISO for use on another system". Then use 7-Zip to extract the files in the ISO to a folder on your system; and then run Setup from that folder. This will run the Windows 10 installer and you'll be able to choose what to keep -- by default it will have your files and programs already selected. When it finishes, you'll be running '10

… and as already noted, you can easily roll back to your previous OS for 30 days -- it's literally just a few mouse clicks to do that.

Yes the clone will still work but don't forget you can role back the upgrade for 30 days

Thanks guys, may i ask why imaging over cloning? Ive done cloning before fairly easy plug and play with cloned hdd. With imaging is it ISO when its done and i need to run it on the drive i want it on?


I have 4 1tb hdd containing installed games, will imaging be better than just cloning it? if imaging how big will the image file be?


Im little confused about the media creation tool. From youtube videos ive seen even without creating another iso for another system and running it later it still asks you if you want to keep programs and data.

 

[samuria]

An image doesnt creat an ISo it creates a file in its own format which is a lot smaller than the drive if you image a 200gig drive half full it will only take up 100gig plus most have an option to comnpress which will depend on the data. With images you can keep several as they are smaller. The problm with clone is windows writes a signature to the disk if you put a clone back with orginal disk it sees it as the same disk and may not work with a disk signature collision.


As stated just got to the media creation website and hit upgrade now it then downloads for YOUR pc and it will download any updates needed were the iso may not. if you get an iso it may contain other version and a lot bigger

 

[winkawak]

An image doesnt creat an ISo it creates a file in its own format which is a lot smaller than the drive if you image a 200gig drive half full it will only take up 100gig plus most have an option to comnpress which will depend on the data. With images you can keep several as they are smaller. The problm with clone is windows writes a signature to the disk if you put a clone back with orginal disk it sees it as the same disk and may not work with a disk signature collision.


As stated just got to the media creation website and hit upgrade now it then downloads for YOUR pc and it will download any updates needed were the iso may not. if you get an iso it may contain other version and a lot bigger

Thanks ill give that a suggested advice a try once the support ends. I cant find specific media creation for my system, the download seems generic.



Btw is there a way to combine my 4 1tb hdd with already installed games into a 4tb hdd?

 

[Megahertz07]

Why do you want to "upgrade" to Win 10?
In my opinion, Win 7 is still a better OS as it's more stable. And Win 7 will continue to work as it does today for many years.

Yes, you can combine 4 x 1TB HDD with already installed games into a 4TB HDD .
As you have links from the main drive to the drives, on the 4TB HDD you must create 4 partitions with same drive letters.

 

[winkawak]

Why do you want to "upgrade" to Win 10?
In my opinion, Win 7 is still a better OS as it's more stable. And Win 7 will continue to work as it does today for many years.

Yes, you can combine 4 x 1TB HDD with already installed games into a 4TB HDD .
As you have links from the main drive to the drives, on the 4TB HDD you must create 4 partitions with same drive letters.

well security risk is one and 3rd party software like antivirus will also stops supporting w7 after support ends.

 

[Megahertz07]

well security risk is one and 3rd party software like antivirus will also stops supporting w7 after support ends.

Do you think that only because there will be no more updates your computer is at risk?

In all years using MS OSs (DOS, Win 3.11, Win95, win98, WinXP, Win 7 and Win 10) I never got infected.
The main security is on the user behavior.
I don't open links sent by email or don't click around on unsafe sites.
And I use Firefox with Add-ons (HTTPS and script blocker (the forbidden to mention on this site)).

Win 7 will continue to work as it does today for many years. And AV and Firefox will continue to deliver new versions if there are users for them. And 27% of all Windows OS are still with Win 7
Desktop Windows Version Market Share Worldwide

 

[winkawak]

Do you think that only because there will be no more updates your computer is at risk?

In all years using MS OSs (DOS, Win 3.11, Win95, win98, WinXP, Win 7 and Win 10) I never got infected.
The main security is on the user behavior.
I don't open links sent by email or don't click around on unsafe sites.
And I use Firefox with Add-ons (HTTPS and script blocker (the forbidden to mention on this site)).

Win 7 will continue to work as it does today for many years. And AV and Firefox will continue to deliver new versions if there are users for them. And 27% of all Windows OS are still with Win 7
Desktop Windows Version Market Share Worldwide

Im not very knowledgeable when it comes to os being outdated, this is my first pc i built from 2015. What about hackers exploiting outdated security system without me clicking or visiting malicious site or links?
Yea i have read a good chunk of pc users are still on w7. For 3rd party apps to stop support w7 will probably be at 2-3 years down the road. So i should be okay as long as i have my bitdefender total security?

 

[Megahertz07]

More important than a AV is to have a good firewall to block external attack and I suppose bitdefender has one.
After 10 years, M$ has covered most of possibilities to an attack using a back door.
As I wrote the most important in security is the user behavior.
You can install a malware or virus using Win 10 or Win 7. Depends on you, not on the OS.

Remember that M$ is trying to kill Win 7 to make you move to Win 10 so they make money on the info you provide them with win 10 (Google Chrome and Android and Apple do the same)

Forgot to mention that Windows update probably has installed (as option or recommended) spy and data collector on your computer.
kb:3035583
kb:2952664
kb:3068708
kb:3022345
kb:3075249
kb:3080149
kb:971033
kb:2990214
kb:3021917
kb:3123862
KB:4493132

 

[winkawak]

More important than a AV is to have a good firewall to block external attack and I suppose bitdefender has one.
After 10 years, M$ has covered most of possibilities to an attack using a back door.
As I wrote the most important in security is the user behavior.
You can install a malware or virus using Win 10 or Win 7. Depends on you, not on the OS.

Remember that M$ is trying to kill Win 7 to make you move to Win 10 so they make money on the info you provide them with win 10 (Google Chrome and Android and Apple do the same)

Forgot to mention that Windows update probably has installed (as option or recommended) spy and data collector on your computer.
kb:3035583
kb:2952664
kb:3068708
kb:3022345
kb:3075249
kb:3080149
kb:971033
kb:2990214
kb:3021917
kb:3123862
KB:4493132

nowadays seems there no escape from companies stealing your information unless a law is placed. should i delete those updates? do they have other use other than stealing my computer data?

 

[Megahertz07]

You can uninstall them with no harm.
Below is a KB_spy.cmd.txt file to uninstall them.
Download, rename it as KB_spy.cmd and run it.
KB_spy.cmd.txt

 

[winkawak]

You can uninstall them with no harm.
Below is a KB_spy.cmd.txt file to uninstall them.
Download, rename it as KB_spy.cmd and run it.
KB_spy.cmd.txt

Are these the only updates i need to uninstall? no new ones in 2019? how come you didnt include KB:4493132

 

[Megahertz07]

Are these the only updates i need to uninstall? no new ones in 2019? how come you didnt include KB:4493132

Sorry, wasn't on my batch file.
run wusa /uninstall /KB:4493132 /quiet /norestart

Have a look MS releases SP2 for Windows 7

 

[winkawak]

Sorry, wasn't on my batch file.
run wusa /uninstall /KB:4493132 /quiet /norestart

Have a look MS releases SP2 for Windows 7

Are these updates the only one needed to be deleted?