Ribbon Explorer

[DeaconFrost]

My main concern is it takes up quite a bit of the window. I often have lots of files and folders in a window and that will be obtrusive when looking for files. Maybe they can cut it down a bit.

You could always upgrade your 15" CRT monitor.

 

[fseal]

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I would only have a problem with it if it was unhidable (like the current command bar in the W7 explorer... grrr.)

You can set that to autohide if you want;

How to Auto-Hide or Disable Command Bar (aka Folder Band) in Windows Vista and 7 Explorer? - Tweaking with Vishal

( Works on 7 x64 )

But in the meantime I have simply added the common functions to it, and removed them elsewhere. Takes a little getting used to, but does not waste so much screen space.
Regards....Mike Connor

Heh thanks, though that is definately an example of how I hope we DON'T have to hide the ribbon bar, in which case I would be on the angry side of the argument

 

[Mike Connor]

My main concern is it takes up quite a bit of the window. I often have lots of files and folders in a window and that will be obtrusive when looking for files. Maybe they can cut it down a bit.

You could always upgrade your 15" CRT monitor.

Tried that, have a DELL 3011

UltraSharp U3011 30

and a Samsung Sync-master T260

Samsung SyncMaster T260 - 25.5" - widescreen TFT active matrix LCD display w/ USB hub

in a dual monitor setup, but wasted screen space still annoys me!

Regards....Mike Connor

 

[Vertex]

That is the killer argument for any progress.

I am open to change. Thinking about it, I assume many people who hate or would hate the ribbon on Windows Explorer got the same opinion on this. Its just unattractive for us. I love the ribbon for Office, Paint and Wordpad but for Windows Explorer, like what I said, its a different thing and I don't like it there. Period.

 

[whs]

That is the killer argument for any progress.

I am open to change. Thinking about it, I assume many people who hate or would hate the ribbon on Windows Explorer got the same opinion on this. Its just unattractive for us. I love the ribbon for Office, Paint and Wordpad but for Windows Explorer, like what I said, its a different thing and I don't like it there. Period.

I guess you will have the option to stay on Windows7 - or maybe XP. But it is good that you guys cannot hold up progress.

 

[Win7User512]

I am no master of the Office ribbon, but I did like the fact it gave you a preview of changes by hovering over certain items. Couldn't do that before 2007.

 

[severedsolo]

l have the option to stay on Windows7 - or maybe XP. But it is good that you guys cannot hold up progress.

Wolfgang, I understand what your saying, but IMO you are wrong. Yes, change is good. Yes people should learn to adapt. No, just because some people don't like the ribbon doesn't mean we stand in the way of progress.

I'm not against changing the UI, it's going to happen anyway, and I'm always happy to see new ways to do things. I'm just not convinced that the Ribbon is the right way to go.

Just because someone doesn't like this particular idea, doesn't mean that they are against progress. Who says this is progress anyway? I'm not against change in general, I'm just against this one.

Although I do take your point about people in general being adverse to change.

 

[Karln]

They are going to kill it completely!

Microsoft's Windows 8 Could Include Ribbon, Mobile Unlock Screen: Report - Enterprise Applications - News & Reviews - eWeek.com


Here are some pics;

http://www.chip.de/ii/1/1/0/8/3/5/8/5/win8_ribbon_1-3b50195cfffc81c6.jpg

http://www.chip.de/ii/1/1/0/8/3/5/8/5/win8_ribbon_2-ba0c72fe4eaa87e0.jpg


Regards....Mike Connor

Mac vs windows or Riban vs standard interface ? MS give the choice in Windows 8 ?

 

[DeaconFrost]

Just because someone doesn't like this particular idea, doesn't mean that they are against progress. Who says this is progress anyway? I'm not against change in general, I'm just against this one.

That goes to the same point. Who's to say this is a bad change? As stated, the vast majority of people who start using the ribbon interface, realize the benefits and find it a better option. Go back to using Office 2003 and you'll see what I mean. Even my users can come up with plenty of examples of how it is faster and more efficient.

In going with your words, just because you personally don't like something, doesn't mean it isn't a good step to take, or that the vast majority of people won't be looking forward to it. Office 2007 was a huge hit, so you better believe Microsoft knows that as well.

To get away from the factual side and into the opinion...I'd much prefer Windows Explorer to have a ribbon interface. Give me the options on screen, rather than burying them in menus.

 

[whs]

l have the option to stay on Windows7 - or maybe XP. But it is good that you guys cannot hold up progress.

Wolfgang, I understand what your saying, but IMO you are wrong. Yes, change is good. Yes people should learn to adapt. No, just because some people don't like the ribbon doesn't mean we stand in the way of progress.

I'm not against changing the UI, it's going to happen anyway, and I'm always happy to see new ways to do things. I'm just not convinced that the Ribbon is the right way to go.

Just because someone doesn't like this particular idea, doesn't mean that they are against progress. Who says this is progress anyway? I'm not against change in general, I'm just against this one.

Although I do take your point about people in general being adverse to change.

Sorry if I was too harsh. I am just an old hard head. There are certainly many things that are sold as "progress" that one can rant about. But the ribbon is not one of those. I bet most people here that are ranting about the ribbon probably never used it.

Did you ever use e.g. PowerPoint 2003 and then PP 2007 - isn't that a lot easier. I learnt PP on 2003 and always got lost - I was sure glad when I got the ribbon of PP 2007. And it made navigating Word, WLMM, new Paint, etc. a lot easier too. This is "good" progress and nothing to rant about.

 

[burtie]

I have to admit, at first I hated the ribbon but the more I have used it with office 2010 the more it has grown on me. I've learned its totally customizable by altering the tabs or making your own up and adding all the commands you want. I would love for explorer to have this feature so I could add all my favourite and most used commands to explorer. Also they should think about giving explorer tabs like IE (I use classic shell in W7 for this) but it would be great if it was a bilt in feature.

 

[Vertex]

That is the killer argument for any progress.

I am open to change. Thinking about it, I assume many people who hate or would hate the ribbon on Windows Explorer got the same opinion on this. Its just unattractive for us. I love the ribbon for Office, Paint and Wordpad but for Windows Explorer, like what I said, its a different thing and I don't like it there. Period.

I guess you will have the option to stay on Windows7 - or maybe XP. But it is good that you guys cannot hold up progress.

You got my point very wrong!!!! I would love to move on to Windows 8 and I'm sure many would but I just don't like the ribbon thing on Windows Explorer and its good that at least there's a feature to hide/disable it. If you like the ribbon thing, fine, that's your opinion but its wrong for you to assume that just because me and some other people don't want the ribbon for Windows Explorer means we rather stay on Windows 7 or Windows XP and would not move on to Windows 8. I completely agree with severedsolo, just because we don't like the ribbon for Windows Explorer doesn't mean we stand in the way of progress in general.

I love the ribbon because it does me very well on Office, Paint and Wordpad but on Windows Explorer its a different thing.

Microsoft once said "technology doesn't stand still and neither could we" but I do believe that we have ways on improving that most would still agree on.

 

[Stormkitty]

Case in point on Ribbon: I work for a very large retailer in Canada (over 100,000 employees) The few computers we have use Office 2003 because corporate doesn't want to have to wait for everybody to learn how to use the ribbon. Corporate has made no indication that they plan on changing away from Office 2003 anytime soon because everybody knows the UI.

In any case I think the Ribbon is just change for the sake of change outside of Office. I understand why they did it for Office but I don't think it has any place in the explorer windows.

 

[ssbtech]

I'm not a fan of ribbon. I'm a tech guy so I don't mind learning something new.

For me, it's the amount of space it takes up on the screen. Visually it is too bulky looking for me. Even Windows 7's taskbar got the small icon treatment on my computers.

To me, simplicity is keeping things small and unobtrusive, not making buttons and menus duplo-block sized.

 

[whs]

I'm not a fan of ribbon. I'm a tech guy so I don't mind learning something new.

For me, it's the amount of space it takes up on the screen. Visually it is too bulky looking for me. Even Windows 7's taskbar got the small icon treatment on my computers.

To me, simplicity is keeping things small and unobtrusive, not making buttons and menus duplo-block sized.

A little tip - why don't you hide the taskbar (can do the same with the ribbon - there it is called "minimize". Just right click on the ribbon and click "Minimize Ribbon"). I do that on the laptops. On the desktops it does not matter. There I have plenty of real estate.

 

[ssbtech]

A little tip - why don't you hide the taskbar (can do the same with the ribbon - there it is called "minimize". Just right click on the ribbon and click "Minimize Ribbon"). I do that on the laptops. On the desktops it does not matter. There I have plenty of real estate.

The hidden task bar bugs me even more

I like having a taskbar, I just don't need a massive one.

i'm also not a big fan of all the pinned, combined buttons. I've gotten rid of all the pinned stuff, restored my Quicklaunch, etc...

 

[whs]

A little tip - why don't you hide the taskbar (can do the same with the ribbon - there it is called "minimize". Just right click on the ribbon and click "Minimize Ribbon"). I do that on the laptops. On the desktops it does not matter. There I have plenty of real estate.

The hidden task bar bugs me even more

I like having a taskbar, I just don't need a massive one.

i'm also not a big fan of all the pinned, combined buttons. I've gotten rid of all the pinned stuff, restored my Quicklaunch, etc...

Hmm, I never liked Quick Launch. It is too restrictive and hard to keep order in it. I prefer a Toolbar. There I can park 50 or 100 shortcuts and order them in subfolders by subject ( websites, programs, folders, etc.). See here for detail: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/72092-toolbars-how-use-windows-7-vista.html

 

[ssbtech]

Hmm, I never liked Quick Launch. It is too restrictive and hard to keep order in it. I prefer a Toolbar. There I can park 50 or 100 shortcuts and order them in subfolders by subject ( websites, programs, folders, etc.). See here for detail: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/72092-toolbars-how-use-windows-7-vista.html

Well hopefully any future version still allows customizability because clearly everyone likes something a bit different.

I use QuickLaunch for a few apps that I use regularly.

Now I'm one of those guys who has 30 icons on his desktop, but I use a program called Stardock Fences to keep them grouped and organized.

 

[whs]

Hmm, I never liked Quick Launch. It is too restrictive and hard to keep order in it. I prefer a Toolbar. There I can park 50 or 100 shortcuts and order them in subfolders by subject ( websites, programs, folders, etc.). See here for detail: http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/72092-toolbars-how-use-windows-7-vista.html

Well hopefully any future version still allows customizability because clearly everyone likes something a bit different.

I use QuickLaunch for a few apps that I use regularly.

Now I'm one of those guys who has 30 icons on his desktop, but I use a program called Stardock Fences to keep them grouped and organized.

I don't like shortcuts on the desktop. I want to see my pictures from my last vacation - not icons. And all my shortcuts would not fit on the desktop anyhow (over 100).

The shortcuts I use ALL the time, I park on the taskbar and in the (hidden) Rocket dock). All the others are either in the start menu or in the toolbar (way over 50 neatly organized in folders).

 

[wds7]

You got my point very wrong!!!! I would love to move on to Windows 8 and I'm sure many would but I just don't like the ribbon thing on Windows Explorer and its good that at least there's a feature to hide/disable it. If you like the ribbon thing, fine, that's your opinion but its wrong for you to assume that just because me and some other people don't want the ribbon for Windows Explorer means we rather stay on Windows 7 or Windows XP and would not move on to Windows 8. I completely agree with severedsolo, just because we don't like the ribbon for Windows Explorer doesn't mean we stand in the way of progress in general.

I love the ribbon because it does me very well on Office, Paint and Wordpad but on Windows Explorer its a different thing.

Microsoft once said "technology doesn't stand still and neither could we" but I do believe that we have ways on improving that most would still agree on.[/QUOTE]



Well said .... me too ..i love MS office ribbon .... but NOT on explore ...

I can tell now I'll be the first to get wds 8 as soos as it comes out ..